Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4024 times:
Untill now, SOU seemed to be the only British airport of relative importance not linked to AMS. All major and regional UK airports have multiple dalies to AMS so I'm not surprised at all that a carrier picks up SOU-AMS. Didn't Air Waled or Scot air used to fly it before?
UK Airports with flights to AMS are:
LHR BA KL BD
LGW BA U2
LCY KL VG
BRS KL U2
CWL KL WW
BHX KL WW
MAN KL LS
NCL KL LS
BLK LS (soon)
GLA KL GSM
ABZ KL BD
EDI KL U2
BMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 856 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
Both bmi and scot airways now surprise me. They both have 1 aircraft based at SOU to operate one route. Surely it would be more worth while to expand destinations. Scot airways to Scotland. I'm guessing that bmi will have to base an aircraft at SOU, if not, wheres it going to come from. Does anyone see a weekend charter flight to Jersey appearing like they did from Leeds? Otherwise it seems silly to have an aircraft only flying a single short route once a day?
Drinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
These regional airports really are opening up now, and it's great to see.
Both SOU and BOH are being served by some good carriers now, and it saves trekking up to LHR or LGW. The Scotairways fare to AMS is mental at the best of times so perhaps we'll see some the "Baby" fares from BMI?
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
Do they only count on O/D traffic? Making an Emb-145 work tickets will be a bit pricey compared London flights, same like Scot Airways. I'd imagine even the smallest backwater in England is lucrative for KLM/KLC to fly on to feed their network but apart from a handfull of SAS/LH/OS/LX aircraft there is not any Star Alliance to feed at AMS. Same with SOU, also little to feed there. I'd have rather thought that BD should fly more to Star hubs like Frankfurt, Copenhagen and Vienna from smaller airports in England like Manchester, Edinburgh, EMA etc.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3738 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13): Manchester = Small?
Edinburgh = England
Oops my bad, thought BMI had more mid size focus airports in the UK like EMA, Teesside and so and had this sentence typed before I checked their routemap. If they had developed Manchester more with long haul flights, it could have been a feed-hub. I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.
Everyone in the Netherlands (don't say Holland ) talks about England when they mean that island with Wales and Scotland on it as well. "Groot Brittannië" spelling in dutch is worse and different then the English version Great Britain, why the double T's and N's? I still always have to look up if it's Brittannië, Britannië or whatever, and also Verenigd Koninkrijk is just so annoying to pronounce or spell. Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.
[Edited 2006-05-17 18:32:21]
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14): I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.
When you look at the European airports, you can see that often the major (often the capital) airport links to many other capitals and has long-haul flights, and that long-haul or even 'exotic' European flights from a countries' second airport are rare.
In Germany, Dusseldorf and Berlin have a huge population, but hardly any long-haul flights, and a very strong portion of leisure and charter flights. Barcelona, Manchester and Lyon are in a same league.
Quote: doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.
There is not such a difference between links to European capitals between London and Amsterdam, both airports link to almost every capital airport.
Only exceptions I can think of are:
Bern: It's linked to London, but not to AMS. (but, of course, it's not the countries major airport, and ZRH, BSL and GVA have a whole bunch of AMS flights)
Minsk: LHR has a Belavia flight but AFAIK AMS is not linked with Minsk.
Tirana: BA flies 3 weekly from LGW
And both airports don't link to Chisinau. For the rest, there is no such a difference.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3239 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
Quoting AJO (Reply 19): I know Embraer builds TURBO props, but isn't 15 minutes of scheduled flying time pushing the limits a bit?
(and I checked it, the BD website does indeed list the above schedule)
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
Im not as critical of bmi as some others but I cant understand why SOU-AMS over, for example, EDI-MUC, which when announced seemed to be one of bmi's better decisions. It provided links into a Star hub and opened an important new city to city link between Edinburgh and Munich. There was also no direct competition
SOU-AMS is competing with another airline. The route may be in need of extra capacity but surely there are other routes bmi should be looking to serve first?
I hope SOU-AMS works out for bmi but will they even start it? Im sure everyone remembers EDI-MUC and LTN-BRU
BDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 16 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
Personally, I wouldv'e thought that a WW service as opposed to bmi Regional would have served the route better.
It would offer an alternative service as opposed to that already offered by CB. Scot have been serving the route for many years and will have built up a loyal customer base of those who would prefer not to travel to LGW to avail of an AMS service.
Regardless, I can see the route using the 135's and if I look at the proposed schedule, it looks like it will require 2x aircraft and will require a crew base at SOU.
We shall see what happens.
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