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BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

From this thread on Pprune.
Apparently SOU-AMS to be launched, 4 x Daily using E145s


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Interesting. Do they have some aircraft based in SOU already?

Is there a lot of demand between the cities? Why not twice daily and opening a second route out of SOU?
Anyway, good luck to them.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Untill now, SOU seemed to be the only British airport of relative importance not linked to AMS. All major and regional UK airports have multiple dalies to AMS so I'm not surprised at all that a carrier picks up SOU-AMS. Didn't Air Waled or Scot air used to fly it before?

UK Airports with flights to AMS are:
LHR BA KL BD
LGW BA U2
STN U2
LTN U2
LCY KL VG
BRS KL U2
CWL KL WW
BOH TOM
BHX KL WW
CVT TOM
NWI KL
MAN KL LS
LPL U2
EMA WW
DSA TOM
MME KL
NCL KL LS
BLK LS (soon)
GLA KL GSM
ABZ KL BD
EDI KL U2

(and I surely forgot one or two)


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

SOU has 2/3 daily flights to AMS with Scot Airways using Do328S


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
(and I surely forgot one or two)

Pretty good list though!

LBA is the only one I can think of that isn't there. There are numerous daily flights by LS and KL.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

WTF.... 4x Daily?????

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Untill now, SOU seemed to be the only British airport of relative importance not linked to AMS.

Besides the 4x Daily Scot Airways (CB) flights with Dornier 328's, there are indeed no carriers operating the route.....

damn.... GKirk beat me to it

[Edited 2006-05-17 15:28:56]


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Well, it's now official
http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/abou...essreleases.aspx?year=2006&rid=912



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Besides the 4x Daily Scot Airways (CB) flights with Dornier 328's,

Thanks for correcting, I thought this route had been ceased.


User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Will they really full this many flights every day? Seems like alot....

Quoting Flybmi.com:
Flight schedules
Southampton-Amsterdam
depart 06:40, arrive 08:50 (Monday-Friday)
depart 07:00, arrive 08:15 (Saturday)
depart 10:50, arrive 13:00 (Monday-Friday)
depart 14:15, arrive 16:30 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)
depart 17:10, arrive 19:25 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)

Amsterdam-Southampton
depart 09:45, arrive 09:55 (Saturday)
depart 10:10, arrive 10:20 (Monday-Friday)
depart 13:35, arrive 13:45 (Monday-Friday)
depart 17:00, arrive 17:10 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)
depart 19:45, arrive 19:55 (Monday-Friday)
depart 20:25, arrive 20:35 (Sunday)

BmiBaby737 / Jimmi

[Edited 2006-05-17 16:48:54]

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Thanks for correcting, I thought this route had been ceased.

It used to be operated by Suckling, who became Scot  Wink



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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Both bmi and scot airways now surprise me. They both have 1 aircraft based at SOU to operate one route. Surely it would be more worth while to expand destinations. Scot airways to Scotland. I'm guessing that bmi will have to base an aircraft at SOU, if not, wheres it going to come from. Does anyone see a weekend charter flight to Jersey appearing like they did from Leeds? Otherwise it seems silly to have an aircraft only flying a single short route once a day?


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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

These regional airports really are opening up now, and it's great to see.

Both SOU and BOH are being served by some good carriers now, and it saves trekking up to LHR or LGW. The Scotairways fare to AMS is mental at the best of times so perhaps we'll see some the "Baby" fares from BMI?


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Do they only count on O/D traffic? Making an Emb-145 work tickets will be a bit pricey compared London flights, same like Scot Airways. I'd imagine even the smallest backwater in England is lucrative for KLM/KLC to fly on to feed their network but apart from a handfull of SAS/LH/OS/LX aircraft there is not any Star Alliance to feed at AMS. Same with SOU, also little to feed there. I'd have rather thought that BD should fly more to Star hubs like Frankfurt, Copenhagen and Vienna from smaller airports in England like Manchester, Edinburgh, EMA etc.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Reply 12):
smaller airports in England like Manchester, Edinburgh, EMA etc.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
Manchester = Small?  crazy 
Edinburgh = England  crazy  crazy 
By any chance MEA-707, are you  drunk  at the moment?  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
Manchester = Small?
Edinburgh = England

Oops my bad, thought BMI had more mid size focus airports in the UK like EMA, Teesside and so and had this sentence typed before I checked their routemap. If they had developed Manchester more with long haul flights, it could have been a feed-hub. I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

Everyone in the Netherlands (don't say Holland   ) talks about England when they mean that island with Wales and Scotland on it as well. "Groot Brittannië" spelling in dutch is worse and different then the English version Great Britain, why the double T's and N's? I still always have to look up if it's Brittannië, Britannië or whatever, and also Verenigd Koninkrijk is just so annoying to pronounce or spell. Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.

[Edited 2006-05-17 18:32:21]


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.

Well England is Eng-land
Scotland is Scot-land
Wales is Sheep-Land  duck 



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Everyone in the Netherlands (don't say Holland )

technically AMS is in holland  Wink



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

When you look at the European airports, you can see that often the major (often the capital) airport links to many other capitals and has long-haul flights, and that long-haul or even 'exotic' European flights from a countries' second airport are rare.

In Germany, Dusseldorf and Berlin have a huge population, but hardly any long-haul flights, and a very strong portion of leisure and charter flights. Barcelona, Manchester and Lyon are in a same league.

Quote:
doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

There is not such a difference between links to European capitals between London and Amsterdam, both airports link to almost every capital airport.

Only exceptions I can think of are:

Bern: It's linked to London, but not to AMS. (but, of course, it's not the countries major airport, and ZRH, BSL and GVA have a whole bunch of AMS flights)

Minsk: LHR has a Belavia flight but AFAIK AMS is not linked with Minsk.

Tirana: BA flies 3 weekly from LGW

And both airports don't link to Chisinau. For the rest, there is no such a difference.


User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

The new 3x daily bmi Regional ABZ flights are also pretty well filled with passengers...

@Joost: you can also add the following airports to your list:

PIK - HV
HUY - KL
BFS - U2


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 8):
Flight schedules
Southampton-Amsterdam
depart 07:00, arrive 08:15 (Saturday)

I know Embraer builds TURBO props, but isn't 15 minutes of scheduled flying time pushing the limits a bit?  Smile
(and I checked it, the BD website does indeed list the above schedule)



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 19):
I know Embraer builds TURBO props, but isn't 15 minutes of scheduled flying time pushing the limits a bit?
(and I checked it, the BD website does indeed list the above schedule)

You must include the 1 hour time difference.



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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
EMA WW

Only one flight a day though - no good for a day trip Sad

How comes all the chavs down in SOU get 7 times daily and we only get once?  Wink


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4925 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Im not as critical of bmi as some others but I cant understand why SOU-AMS over, for example, EDI-MUC, which when announced seemed to be one of bmi's better decisions. It provided links into a Star hub and opened an important new city to city link between Edinburgh and Munich. There was also no direct competition

SOU-AMS is competing with another airline. The route may be in need of extra capacity but surely there are other routes bmi should be looking to serve first?

I hope SOU-AMS works out for bmi but will they even start it? Im sure everyone remembers EDI-MUC and LTN-BRU

Humberside



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Personally, I wouldv'e thought that a WW service as opposed to bmi Regional would have served the route better.

It would offer an alternative service as opposed to that already offered by CB. Scot have been serving the route for many years and will have built up a loyal customer base of those who would prefer not to travel to LGW to avail of an AMS service.

Regardless, I can see the route using the 135's and if I look at the proposed schedule, it looks like it will require 2x aircraft and will require a crew base at SOU.

We shall see what happens.  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Scheduled flights from the UK to Amsterdam are as follows;

Aberdeen Bmi
Aberdeen KLM
Edinburgh easyJet
Edinburgh KLM
Glasgow Flyglobespan
Glasgow KLM
Prestwick Transavia
Belfast International easyJet
Newcastle Jet2
Newcastle KLM
Durham Tees Valley KLM
Leeds Bradford Jet2
Leeds Bradford KLM
Humberside KLM
Doncaster Sheffield Thomsonfly
Blackpool Jet2
Liverpool easyJet
Manchester Jet2
Manchester KLM
Nottingham East Midlands bmibaby
Coventry Thomsonfly
Birmingham bmibaby
Birmingham KLM
Norwich KLM
London Luton easyJet
London Stansted easyJet
London City KLM
London City VLM
London Gatwick British Airways
London Gatwick easyJet
London Heathrow Bmi
London Heathrow British Airways
London Heathrow KLM
Southampton Bmi
Southampton Scot Airways
Bournemouth Thomsonfly
Bristol easyJet
Bristol KLM
Cardiff bmibaby
Cardiff KLM

In addition to the new Bmi SOU flights, Flybe are rumoured to be looking at Exeter, Norwich and Southampton to Amsterdam.

Regards

Mike


25 ScottishLaddie : Dropped from 4th June or sometime round then.
26 Zkojh : oh my god, BD at it again why can't they just get it together and make good use of there hubs before expanding out, lets see a MAN-AMS would be nice!
27 BDKLEZ : Indeed, MAN-AMS is currently not served by any carrier![Edited 2006-05-18 02:25:39]
28 Bmiexpat : bmi regional is a very profitable part of the bmi group, serving niche, high yield markets with small jets and clearly does very well. As far as bmi
29 Bmiexpat : You used to work for them so you should know KLM flies 6 times daily... or are you being sarcastic (Just the way we liked you in AMS!)? I do think th
30 Joost : 7 now: 5x 737 1x F100 1x F70 Not sure if MAN is such a good idea; Jet2 already scaled back it's operations from 3 to 2 daily flights. Does BMI region
31 Pieinthesky : I'd be interested to see a list of the major European capitals that MAN has no scheduled flight to. It's obviously not going to have as many as as AM
32 Post contains images BDKLEZ : Posting whilst a bit drunk and attempting sarcasm at the same time; not a good combination! Is that you Steve? Indeed. In fact, I would've thought th
33 AirNZ : Yep, you did........BFS We do.......it's UK
34 Post contains images BDKLEZ :
35 IMatAMS : Despite all the bashing here i seem to recall reading here a short while ago that BMI made a -small- profit last year. So it seems they're doing OK a
36 Sam1987 : They virtually have. You can book BD flights through the WW website and vice versa. BD need to be more consistent. It is quite bizarre booking "bmiba
37 Dutchjet : Good god, does anyone understand BMI's route strategy? Some of the most interesting, friendly and sometimes hysterical discussions here at a.net have
38 Runway23 : Bmi was only profitable due to selling LHR slots. As an operation the airline continues to bleed money. The extent of this will become even clearer f
39 AJO : I did. 7 AM SOU time is 8 AM AMS time. This leaves just 15 minutes for the flight!
40 LH121GLA : I wonder if this will be anything like BD's LTN-BRU service or EDI-MUC service - they started to promote them, then decided to drop them before they g
41 Donder10 : Base fares seem to start at �24 each way plus tax. Significantly cheaper than Scot Airways.
42 Paulc : If you price a return flight SOU-AMS it works out at £48 + taxes which is fine until you add the taxes which are high. (£53) so for me it is still c
43 Sam1987 : ..which is often the way with easyJet's low low prices. I might be going to Milan next month for GBP30 return (taxes included). Not bad!
44 Capital146 : Isn't it true that a high proportion of passengers travelling from UK regional airports to AMS are using such flights for onward connections with KL?
45 David_itl : Lisbon, Moscow, Bucharest and Kiev spring to mind. All previously linked to MAN. David
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