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Will WestJet Return To SAN This Summer?  
User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3120 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
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Can anyone confirm if Westjet will or will not resume seasonal flights from Calgary to San Diego this summer? I just had a look at their website and did not see SAN listed among Westjet's destinations although the SAN website lists them as one of the airlines serving the airport (summer only). My guess is that they couldn't make the route work and aren't coming back, but it would be nice to hear from someone in the know.


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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Any routes active in the summer on just about any airline have been announced by now, in fact months ago. Airlines are now making announcements for the fall. In the case of SAN, Air Canada is/will be serving it both from Vancouver and Toronto.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

A few questions about SAN-Canada flights:

1) Is WestJet making money? 737-600's aren't exactly the most fuel efficient jet out there. And "seasonal" flights to SAN? Hmmm...I'm as in favor of tourists visiting San Diego, but what market is this route supposed to be capturing?

2) AC is returning with a 319 YYZ-SAN. Is this flight timed to make any connections? Is it an early morning SAN-YYZ & late afternon/early evening YYZ-SAN or will the plane be based in Toronto? What market are they going after? Pure O&D?

3) YVR-SAN - a CRJ700 on ACJazz? Are there any other competitors on this route at the moment? I think HPExpress was running it but pulled out.



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User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3120 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4044 times:
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Hello PanAm747,

1) Not sure if you are suggesting that last summer's Westjet flight operated with the 737-600. It didn't as far as I know - they used the -700 three times a week.

2) The flight is going to arrive at approximately 11AM and depart at approx. 12PM for YYZ. As far as I know it will not be timed for connections as there are few if any destinations for it is convenient to connect in SAN, particularly in the case of AC partner United.

3) There will be two daily YVR-SAN flights, but they'll operate with CRJ-200s instead of the one daily -900. One of them arrives and departs in the late afternoon, the other is a late evening arrival and early morning departure from SAN, if I remember correctly. I believe Alaska operates a daily flight on this route but HP Express has pulled out.

Regards,

Edward


User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
A few questions about SAN-Canada flights:

1) Is WestJet making money? 737-600's aren't exactly the most fuel efficient jet out there. And "seasonal" flights to SAN? Hmmm...I'm as in favor of tourists visiting San Diego, but what market is this route supposed to be capturing?

Westjet posted a record Q1 profit this year.

Fuel efficiency isn't the only factor in overall operational costs, particularly when compared to an all 737 fleet and the relatively small incremental differences amongst the fleet in fuel/passenger costs.

Southern California is a popular destination for Canadian tourists (Seaworld and all that) but SAN is certainly much smaller market than LAX (read Disneyland).


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Alaska flys SAN-YVR daily with a 737-400. We entered the market right after HP began service and they then pulled out. So as far as I know until AC picks up the route, Alaska stands alone currently.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
Alaska flys SAN-YVR daily with a 737-400. We entered the market right after HP began service and they then pulled out. So as far as I know until AC picks up the route, Alaska stands alone currently.

ASLAX

Currently, AC Jazz flies a daily CRJ-705 on the route, and as explained above, for summer, it will be two daily CRJ-200s.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
2) AC is returning with a 319 YYZ-SAN. Is this flight timed to make any connections? Is it an early morning SAN-YYZ & late afternon/early evening YYZ-SAN or will the plane be based in Toronto? What market are they going after? Pure O&D?

Was very surprised by the scheduling. Thought for certain they would have stuck with the original schedule. Early evening departure from Toronto -- overnight SAN -- and early departure from San Diego timed to AC's International connection bank at YYZ. While the SAN-YYZ will connect to select Europe/South America connections, the return will involve an overnight at YYZ for most similar routings.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Seems like West Jet should have been able to make it a good year round flight. Tons of Canadians spend the winter in San Diego and others take cruises from here. In the summer, tons of San Diegans head north to spend beautiful summer vacations in the Canadian Rockies. Add a few business travellers and they should have been able to make a go of it.

As far as Air Canada having a morning departure from San Diego to Toronto. Good luck trying to find an available gate in the morning at SAN before 9:00 am. After 9:00 am is too late likely to arrive in Toronto for early evening departures to Europe. Does Air Canada have a later bank of flights to Europe....9:00 pm or later?


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
Does Air Canada have a later bank of flights to Europe....9:00 pm or later?

LHR (AC858)
CDG (AC882)
AMS (AC816)
FRA (AC876)
MAN (AC840)
DUB-SNN (AC894)

YES.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
As far as Air Canada having a morning departure from San Diego to Toronto. Good luck trying to find an available gate in the morning at SAN before 9:00 am. After 9:00 am is too late likely to arrive in Toronto for early evening departures to Europe. Does Air Canada have a later bank of flights to Europe....9:00 pm or later?

AC isn't approaching this as an international feed route. There is decent business O&D - augmented by feed from cities across the AC domestic network in Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada. San Diego generates a lot of convention, seminar and conference traffic, not just tourism. The 9 a.m. departure from Toronto and the 12:15 p.m. departure from SAN feed just about all of AC's eastern Cda network. Whether AC might consider repositionning the flight down the road for better intl connections, who knows? In winter, the tourism component goes up, so that isn't a big issue.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Perhaps if this route proves viable and profitable this time around, a second daily will be added, addressing the international connection (in both directions) issue.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 11):
Perhaps if this route proves viable and profitable this time around, a second daily will be added, addressing the international connection (in both directions) issue.

Maybe with an upgrade in equipment, too! Maybe an A321...



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