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Saudi Arabian 747SP To Guantanamo Bay?  
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/MUGM

WTF ? It seems to be coming from Nassau, and then it seems to be going directly to RUH ! What's going on here ? If you click on the flight itself, it can't be located.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10393 times:

That is very interesting.

I was looking over the just-released list of persons incarcerated at Gitmo, and the amount of names with residency of Saudi Arabia was staggering.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
That is very interesting.

I was looking over the just-released list of persons incarcerated at Gitmo, and the amount of names with residency of Saudi Arabia was staggering.

Maybe now that we gave them some people back they can give us a lower rate for gas.



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

Do they race horses there? That plane comes to Lexington often for races, auctions and the equestrian hospital. Also a frequent visitor to Keeneland and Churchill is this guy I caught on Derby day at LEX.

UAE 747 at LEX for KY Derby


[Edited 2006-05-17 22:52:57]


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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

If they were picking up Jihadi, they could be getting a very interesting reception back in Saudi Arabia.

A few years ago, it probably would have been welcome home receptions.

After the bombings and the other things that happened in the Kingdom since, things could be....... different.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

So many jokes could be made but I'll politely keep my mouth shut...for once.


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1790 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10060 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 4):
Do they race horses there? That plane comes to Lexington often for races, auctions and the equestrian hospital. Also a frequent visitor to Keeneland and Churchill is this guy I caught on Derby day at LEX.


Are they racing horses in Gitmo?

[Edited 2006-05-18 00:13:56]


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/MUGM

WTF ? It seems to be coming from Nassau, and then it seems to be going directly to RUH ! What's going on here ? If you click on the flight itself, it can't be located.

You can't click the flight because it isn't yet in the air, it's only SCHEDULED. When it's airborne you'll be able to click it and follow it.

R


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17409 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Well....most of the 9-11 bombers *were* Saudis, and most Saudis are "princes" of some sort so maybe it's a Gitmo/Riyadh shuttle?  Silly


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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

Saudi diplomat: We'll get 16 Guantánamo detainees this week
By Miami Herald Staff Report

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said today that the United States would release some 16 Saudi nationals this week from Guantánamo Bay, Cuba -- the largest transfer of captives from the Pentagon's offshore prison camps in more than a year.

''It took us how many years to get them back?'' Saud told reporters at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., according to an account from the Associated Press. ``It hasn't been easy.''

The military still holds about 480 detainees at Guantánamo.

Detention center officials would neither confirm nor deny a large-scale transfer was in the works. Defense Department policy has been to not confirm transfers or releases until the former captives have been moved to foreign soil.

''We have a process in place for detainee movements from Guantánamo, which entails an official announcement as soon as a transfer or release of detainees is completed. We intend to follow that process,'' a Pentagon spokesman, Navy Lt. Cmdr. J.D. Gordon, told The Miami Herald in an e-mail message from the Defense Department to a reporter at Guantánamo Bay.

Saudi officials disclosed the foreign minister's remarks on the official embassy website.

''Upon their return to Saudi Arabia, the 16 will be jailed, and the proof against them examined,'' a website statement said. ``They will then either be put on trial or released. For those found guilty at trial, punishments will be determined by the courts.''

Saud did not release the men's names.

An estimated 100 Saudis are being held at the U.S. military prison in Cuba, some of them for more than four years.

Two Saudi citizens held here as enemy combatants are among 10 captives here facing trial by Military Commission at Guantánamo, the first U.S. war-crimes tribunals said World War II.

Ghassan al Sharbi and Jubran Qahtani were allegedly captured in Faisalabad, Pakistan, in March 2002, while plotting to set roadside charges to attack U.S. soldiers on patrol in Afghanistan.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 4):

folks that particular plane says "United Arab Emirates", and not "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia". Either there has been a mistake or this plane has been shown as an example.
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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 11):
folks that particular plane says "United Arab Emirates", and not "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia". Either there has been a mistake or this plane has been shown as an example.

The key word in the following passage:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 4):
Also a frequent visitor

is "also." A picture is worth a thousand words, but sometimes the words help explain why the picture is there.  Smile


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 9439 times:

BTW, the rwy at NBW is only 2400m (8000ft) long ! I wonder how the 747 made it nonstop to RUH from NBW, a distance of some 12000km ???

Quoting RobK (Reply 8):
You can't click the flight because it isn't yet in the air, it's only SCHEDULED. When it's airborne you'll be able to click it and follow it.

Normally you can, but then it would only show you the aircraft's last flights. As not even this was the case here, I wondered.



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7):
Are they racing horses in Gitmo?

Nah they just race the prisoners!  duck 


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Must be quite 'important' prisoners to warrant an exclusive 747SP coming to pick them up.


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

It was HZ-AIF for anyone interested.

R


User currently offlineKBGRbillT From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
I wonder how the 747 made it nonstop to RUH from NBW, a distance of some 12000km

Range of the B747SP full of fuel, crew and about 16 prisoners and accompanying guards would exceed 8,000 mi. (~12,800 km) which would easily make it from NBW to RUH.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6223 times:
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Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
WTF ? It seems to be coming from Nassau, and then it seems to be going directly to RUH ! What's going on here ? If you click on the flight itself, it can't be located.

It's a codeshare flight between the US Air Force, and the Saudi gov't.



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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 4):
Do they race horses there? That plane comes to Lexington often for races, auctions and the equestrian hospital. Also a frequent visitor to Keeneland and Churchill is this guy I caught on Derby day at LEX.

....Definately a shameless excuse to repost a picture of a 747 at LEX...

Now a picture of a 747 at Gitmo, that would impress me!



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 16):
It was HZ-AIF for anyone interested.

Thank you, much appreciated!

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User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Do the US really have UAE citizens? I thought they're hunting for Iran's government. But what about the UAE? I thought the rulers of the UAE are big friends with the USA!? And another question: I worked on some 747SP of this Royal Flight Service. What kind of prisoners are carried with this really magnificent planes? Only royal members? The US don't have members of the royal UAE family at Guantanamo Bay. Otherwise the states wouldn't work together that well. Please give me an update of this political confusion.

[Edited 2006-05-18 21:21:55]


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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 19):
....Definately a shameless excuse to repost a picture of a 747 at LEX...

My point was that if the Saudi plane is the one I think it is, it has horse transportation facilities in it too. Both those planes come here regularly.

Next time it comes here I will shamelessly post that too.

Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 21):
Do the US really have UAE citizens?


Sorry, misread that post....

[Edited 2006-05-18 21:50:22]


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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22):
Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 21):
Do the US really have UAE citizens?

Of course,.....

He means in the Guantanamo prison, not in the country. I believe the answer to that is yes. We have one UAE citizen in custody at Guantanamo Bay.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting KBGRbillT (Reply 17):
Range of the B747SP full of fuel, crew and about 16 prisoners and accompanying guards would exceed 8,000 mi. (~12,800 km) which would easily make it from NBW to RUH.

Sure, but that's from a 3000+m runway at MTOW, not from a 2400m rwy.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2177 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

IMHO, I would rather expect these prisoners to be carried in one of these ghost CIA planes than a five-star Saudi plane.

Aren't these dudes on a no-fly list by the way?

Or is this a new form of torture? I mean, flying 12+ hours in such a luxury jet which is the incarnation of arrogant wealthiness must be a torture for fundamentalist muslims who fight against our western wealthiness.

No one will ever know what's really going on at Guantànamo Bay base anyway...



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25 KBGRbillT : Why MTOW, no need to carry ANY cargo and the crew and prisoners are VERY small compared to the aircrafts capacity? Also, the Rwy 10/28 at Gitmo is 80
26 Post contains links Hiflyer : Pentagon said 15 Saudi captives left Guant�namo By CAROL ROSENBERG crosenberg@MiamiHerald.com GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba -- A Royal Saudi 74
27 DeltaDC9 : That UAE plane above and the Saudi 747SP come to LEX use a 7000' runway and don't use it all, they do reverse thrust of course. Also, they have a lot
28 Post contains images YAK42 : They think the tail is another wing!!?!
29 Post contains images Yellowtail : Well doesn't the tail generate some lift technically
30 AirAmericaC46 : Anybody knows if the SV 747SP flew Gitmo nonstop to Riyadh?? What was the incoming routing? with a stop in Nassau? Thanks for the info.
31 Post contains images Glideslope : Well, at least they are giving that hard working BBJ a rest.
32 SATX : Sounds like a nice flight from the patriotic anti-Constitution zone brought about by a new level of US arrogance to the Saudi torture zone, backed by
33 Bond007 : That's more than they got for the x years they were incarcerated by the so-called greatest democracy in the world! Jimbo
34 Post contains images Malaysia : I nearly fell off the wing of that plane years ago. Was much harder to get back inside the door from walking the wing. To go to the casino at Paradis
35 Wolsingerjet : Well if they are picking up released prisoners when they arrive home I believe they recieve a court hearing and those found guilty are with out hesita
36 UK_Dispatcher : There seems to be some confusion since the pic of a UAE Amiri Flight B747SP was posted on a thread about a Saudia B747SP.
37 RobK : MUGM-OERK, so yes, direct. R
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