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AS 737 Combi Retirement Livery  
User currently offlineHarrisAir From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 59 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

This airplane was at the hangar for 2 days, departed today at around 1315. Anyone know who picked this one up? N730AS

Harris

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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

No idea who's picking it up... but can anyone tell me with what is AS replacing the 737 combis? I understand they were widely used in flights within alaska... are the 73G's doing them now?

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

The 732 Combis will be replaced with 734 Combis (with a fixed partition between the cargo and pax areas instead of the variable partition which is no longer permitted under US regs) and, in addition, AS will be flying one 734F. The 734Combi/F aircraft will fly routes mainly within Alaska, just as the 732Combi fleet has done in recent years.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting Jj (Reply 1):
but can anyone tell me with what is AS replacing the 737 combis?

734's will be doing them with 709AS the first ship as a full freighter as I understand it.



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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
The 732 Combis will be replaced with 734 Combis

Wow... I thought that some runways there were quite short for a 734! Are they going to be any limitations or they will perform just as well as the old combis?


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting Jj (Reply 4):
Wow... I thought that some runways there were quite short for a 734! Are they going to be any limitations or they will perform just as well as the old combis?

the only major airport that was a problem as far as runway lenght was Ducth Harbor but AS has since disposed of that route. the question is what kind of A/C will go on routes to Red Dog or other gravel strips, will the 400C be gravel fitted as well?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6077 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Jj: N709AS should be arriving in Seattle around May 20th. This is the first -400C a/c.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 5):
will the 400C be gravel fitted as well?

The vortex dicipators work quite nicely on the JT8D series, but just don't fit on the higher bypass engines featured on the 737-300 through 900; so they will not be fitted with gravel kits as far as I know.


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 7):
The vortex dicipators work quite nicely on the JT8D series, but just don't fit on the higher bypass engines featured on the 737-300 through 900; so they will not be fitted with gravel kits as far as I know.

so then will AS keep a 200? they cant fly them forever. they need some A/C to fly into gravel strips....or they could cough up a few million and have Red Dog paved


User currently offlineHarrisAir From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

The gravel kit includes this huge guard on the nose gear. Can't picture them putting that on a 734.

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Who else operates aircraft with a gravel kit any more? I know that ARCO/BP has the kit on at least one of the 732's they operate between ANC and the North Slope.

Harris


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
I know that ARCO/BP has the kit on at least one of the 732's they operate between ANC and the North Slope.

speaking of Arco/BP what will happen to those A/C will they be replaced or retired?

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
The gravel kit includes this huge guard on the nose gear. Can't picture them putting that on a 734.

well im sure something could be figured out. they could have a larger advanced version of the EMB-120 gravel kit. or one similar to the C-130

BTW is Proudohe Bay/Deadhorse's runway paved?


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Alaska737:

Every airport that AS flies into in Alaska is now paved, including Red Dog.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 11):
Every airport that AS flies into in Alaska is now paved, including Red Dog.

wow, how new is this? i read a recent airways aritcle that told of a flight to red dog and how it is a gravel runray.
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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

IIRC the newer high bypass turbofans can still be fitted with vortex dissipators; however, they are integrated into the engine nacelle/cowling rather than an external fitting as with the JT8's.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 5):
the question is what kind of A/C will go on routes to Red Dog or other gravel strips,



Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 12):
wow, how new is this

Red Dog was paved last summer.

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 10):
BTW is Proudohe Bay/Deadhorse's runway paved?

Yes, Paved a way long time ago.

As has been mentioned in the other 15 threads about this AS 734 conversion, the gravel kits and other unique devices (vortex dissipators, etc) common to AS 732Cs is no longer necessary. The runways have all been paved.

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
. Can't picture them putting that on a 734.

The pint is moot, but why can't you picture it on a 734? Same gear, same fuselage, same

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
I know that ARCO/BP has the kit on at least one of the 732's they operate between ANC and the North Slope.

BP has three 732s, only two have the gravel kits. The third, a former US bird, does not. The runway at UUK is not paved, but does not see service from AS . .. only BP/Conoco-Philips. ARCO has no more stake in the Alaska Oil market by the by.


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting HarrisAir (Thread starter):
Anyone know who picked this one up?

It's going to the desert. No one bought it.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting HarrisAir (Thread starter):
N730AS

This one was delivered in 1981.

N745AS was delivered Air Zaire in 1974.
When will it be put out to pasture?

Tod (still scheduled to fly a 732Q SEA-JNU on 23June)


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
The gravel kit includes this huge guard on the nose gear. Can't picture them putting that on a 734.

That part of the 737-400 is almost the same as on the earlier -200, so the "nosewheel ski" is the easy part.

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
Who else operates aircraft with a gravel kit any more?

Canadian North and First Air use several examples in the NWT and Nunavut

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 13):
IIRC the newer high bypass turbofans can still be fitted with vortex dissipators; however, they are integrated into the engine nacelle/cowling rather than an external fitting as with the JT8's.

First I've heard of this, but it sounds interesting. Would you happen to have any further information on this setup?



CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 9):
The gravel kit includes this huge guard on the nose gear. Can't picture them putting that on a 734.

You can't. That would be a huge HUGE alternation under F.A.R. Part 43 AND a new STC would be applied for under F.A.R. Part 21. It would involve cutting out a huge part of the structure for the gravel deflector and new nose gear type and more.... it would involve a HUGE sum of money, just not worth it.

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 17):
That part of the 737-400 is almost the same as on the earlier -200, so the "nosewheel ski" is the easy part.

Not really. The nose gear on the 732's are shorter than the 734's. The fwd fuselage looks LOWER on the 732 than the fwd fuselage on a 734, hence the shorter nose gear.



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