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Mayor: DAL Will Not Close  
User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I can't believe the Mayor of Dallas wouldn't want to export tens of thousands of jobs out of the city, close a strategic asset and competitive advantage for downtown, decimate the city's tax base, leave businesses and residents with no choice in air travel, and send one of the most admired and sought after corporations packing. Maybe she just doesn't see the value in a nice park and some single family homes. Let's start the recall petition!!!!!



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ART0.State.Edition1.1daadc67.html

Miller: Love is staying
Mayor rejects closing airport; American says it should be an option

12:00 AM CDT on Thursday, May 18, 2006
By ERIC TORBENSON and EMILY RAMSHAW / The Dallas Morning News

Dallas Mayor Laura Miller on Wednesday rejected calls to close Dallas Love Field as a solution to the Wright amendment fight.

"That airport is here to stay, and we are going to make sure Southwest Airlines keeps its headquarters here while protecting the integrity of the surrounding neighborhoods," Ms. Miller said......


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Glad to see the mayor of Dallas has some sense lol


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User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Now that the Mayor has killed this idea, Pro-Wrighters will have to find another diversion from the real issue of competition and free markets.


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User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Do many WN employees live in the area immediately around DAL?

joe


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2762 times:
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Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 2):
Now that the Mayor has killed this idea, Pro-Wrighters will have to find another diversion from the real issue of competition and free markets.

In other words, it will be just another day at the office for pro-wrighters.



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User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 3):
Do many WN employees live in the area immediately around DAL?

I've met several that live in my neighborhood.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 2):
Now that the Mayor has killed this idea, Pro-Wrighters will have to find another diversion from the real issue of competition and free markets.

Funny that you mention that. They now appear to be trying to link repeal and increased vehicular traffic to an increase (supposedly) in crime....

http://www.dallascrimewatch.org/questionpoll/poll.cfm

One of the other pro-Wright groups, the Committee to Protect the Children, had a press conference the other day, and I went to observe. As you can see from the photo linked below, they didn't have much of a turnout. The folks from Southwest and Friends of Love Field (as well as their signs) out numbered them by at least 2-1. (There are more pro-Repeal folks to the left, off-camera).

Aldelfa Callejo opened it up, and everyone scheduled to speak on their side pretty much tried to make the same point that it was about the noise's effect on the kids' ability to learn, and that it had nothing to do with economics. Strangely enough, one of their later speakers seemed to imply that Southwest wasn't being a good corporate citizen by steering more minority contracts their way. Maybe economics does come into play after all, just theirs, not Southwest's and any other airlines that wants to serve Love.

Callejo opened it up to questions, and Bill Foster (from Friends of Love Field; the gent in the photo wearing the suit and holding the FOLF sign) took Callejo's noise claims to task, saying that the Dean of students at the school behind us (Rusk) has said that noise wasn't the disturbing issue that CTPTC was making it out to be, and that lots of money had been spent in the past soundproofing the schools. Caelljo apparently didn't like the question, and the soundproofing facts, and interrupted him by saying that the Dean wasn't a noise expert (as if he even had to be to offer an acedotal opinion). Foster kept on, and Callejo asked if there were any other questions from the media "and not you" (Foster). There were none, and Callejo abruptly ended the press conference.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../05162006CTPTCpressconference4.jpg

Now that Mayor Miller has said that Love isn't going anywhere, it should be interesting to see what these pro-Wright groups do now. Friends of mine in Grapevine and the other burbs around DFW have told me that Stop-And-Think has sent out 5 different "FUD-gram" mailers in the last few weeks, so maybe Miller's decision means even more mailers...


User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 3):
Do many WN employees live in the area immediately around DAL?

To answer this question, Yes.


User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Nebraska is moving ahead with its exemption to Wright.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s/051906dnmetneblove.53f14bbf.html

Bill would open Love flights to Nebraska

01:58 PM CDT on Thursday, May 18, 2006
By ROBERT DODGE / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON – All three of Nebraska’s congressmen introduced legislation Thursday in the House that would make Nebraska the 10th state that can be served by commercial flights from Dallas Love Field.

The legislation is aimed at initiating service at lower fares between Omaha’s Eppley Airfield and Love Field.

“The Wright amendment is an outdated piece of legislation which decreases competition and keeps Nebraskans from getting the lowest possible airfares,” said Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Neb.

The other Nebraska cosponsors are Republican Reps. Lee Terry and Tom Osborne.

The bill marks the first action on Capitol Hill since March, when the North Texas congressional delegation declared a moratorium on legislative action. Their stand-down was followed by letters from the mayors to members of Congress asking for time to work out a local compromise on Wright.

With the mayors facing a June 14 deadline set by Dallas, the action by the Nebraska lawmakers demonstrates continuing interest from lawmakers elsewhere who want air service from Love Field.

Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Dallas, said the latest legislative proposal shows that lawmakers in other states are taking note of the drop in air fares between Love Field and cities in Missouri. Missouri became the ninth state where flights are permissible last year, after Sen. Christopher “Kit” Bond, R-Mo, added a provision to a spending bill.

Both Southwest Airlines Co. and American Airlines Inc. subsequently launched low-fare service from Love Field. “They saw what happened to air fares between Dallas and Kansas City and St. Louis,” Mr. Hensarling said.....



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 8):
WASHINGTON – All three of Nebraska’s congressmen introduced legislation Thursday in the House that would make Nebraska the 10th state that can be served by commercial flights from Dallas Love Field.

Worst case scenario, this is how the other states will do it. It may take a while, but Wright will go. Or as in this example, be gutted out.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4589 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 9):
Worst case scenario, this is how the other states will do it. It may take a while, but Wright will go. Or as in this example, be gutted out.

Actually this is probably the best case. I'm all for a gradual pull down of Wright...region by region. However, if things will be pulled down - something MUST be done with the terminal. I flew through there last week for the first time and it was not inviting at all.

Of course lets look at the whole picture...the Wright goes away, Southwest isn't going to start nonstop flights to every where overnight. People will continue to get their Advantage miles on American, and those that fly LUV will continue to do that. The overall impact is being dramatized just a "bit."


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 10):
However, if things will be pulled down - something MUST be done with the terminal. I flew through there last week for the first time and it was not inviting at all.

Actually, perhaps the best thing to do is to NOT renovate the terminal aside from what would need to be done to accommodate any additional airlines choosing to serve DAL. We hear all these arguments about how expanded service from DAL will "weaken" DFW; perhaps the availability of better quality facilities at DFW is a good way to encourage airlines to maintain their operations at that airport.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 10):
Of course lets look at the whole picture...the Wright goes away, Southwest isn't going to start nonstop flights to every where overnight. People will continue to get their Advantage miles on American, and those that fly LUV will continue to do that. The overall impact is being dramatized just a "bit."

You don't say! The big issue is that AA doesn't want to lose their steep last-minute fare premium to/from DFW, and that's what's driving all of these astroturf groups. The last-minute OMA-DFW fare is $684 round-trip; two-stepping through STL on Southwest is a relative bargain at $448 (and it would probably be around $100 less if you didn't have to purchase two tickets).

Having the Congressmen from Nebraska introduce their own bill to open up service to their state is certainly an interesting development; I would not be surprised to see Congressmen from other states jumping on the bandwagon in short order...


User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2365 times:
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AA's Arpey is looking more and more like the idiot Bob Crandall (who as CEO of AA 35 years ago said that SWA would not survive a year as they did not have assigned seating and did not serve food) in his remarks about SWA and closing Love. My but Arpey is just so out of touch---saying close Love just plays into SWA's hands which I personally like but what a stupid strategy....major tactical and strategic error....wow

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting Dbba (Reply 12):
My but Arpey is just so out of touch---saying close Love just plays into SWA's hands which I personally like but what a stupid strategy....major tactical and strategic error....wow

Speaking of which, Mayor Miller's statement on Love staying open and not going anywhere sure puts Cong. Eddie Bernice Johnson in an interesting spot. She's the one that vowed to introduce legislation to close Love (it's in her district) if Wright was repealed, and now her position is squarely at odds with Mayor Miller's... Can't wait to hear EBJ's reaction to Miller's statements...


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
Speaking of which, Mayor Miller's statement on Love staying open and not going anywhere sure puts Cong. Eddie Bernice Johnson in an interesting spot. She's the one that vowed to introduce legislation to close Love (it's in her district) if Wright was repealed, and now her position is squarely at odds with Mayor Miller's... Can't wait to hear EBJ's reaction to Miller's statements...

Opie, Ms. Johnson, Member of Congress is agonizingly transparent in her bias; she holds a substantial stake in the Hudson News bookstores at DFW, and derives substantial personal gain from increased traffic at DFW. That she would even consider closing Love, much less proposing its closure shows just how out of touch with her constituents' interests she is. Love Field is by far the largest single source of employment in her district.

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By the way, for those who suggest that Loves primary purpose is serving airliners, I suggest that you ... well ... that you Stop, and Think.

Today, I spent some considerable time reviewing a contract related to the construction of a very substantial new aircraft maintenance facility being built at DAL by a major aircraft manufacturer (think: who's the guy who drops the bombs again?). This facility, alone, will generate tens of millions in business (and create high-paying jobs associated therewith) per year, and will do so for many years to come.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 14):
Ms. Johnson, Member of Congress is agonizingly transparent in her bias; she holds a substantial stake in the Hudson News bookstores at DFW, and derives substantial personal gain from increased traffic at DFW.

I think I recall reading somewhere that she also has some stake in the Love Field Hudsons as well. It all was in a "blind" trust, but it appears everybody under the sun knows about it.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
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Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 8):
WASHINGTON – All three of Nebraska’s congressmen introduced legislation Thursday in the House that would make Nebraska the 10th state that can be served by commercial flights from Dallas Love Field.

For some reason I don't really see WN starting DAL-OMA, but maybe so. I would be more afraid of AA getting pissed off at Nebraska and pulling mainline on DFW-OMA.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 2):
Now that the Mayor has killed this idea, Pro-Wrighters will have to find another diversion from the real issue of competition and free markets.

WN will eat puppies if Wright is repealed.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
he Committee to Protect the Children,

They're that group of private citizens Mike Boyd was talking about...the one that's getting funds from AA. go figure.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting Iowaman
"For some reason I don't really see WN starting DAL-OMA, but maybe so. I would be more afraid of AA getting pissed off at Nebraska and pulling mainline on DFW-OMA."

If AA did that it would be a political move, so my question to the WN supporters / emps. would be : Would WN then start service DAL-OMA just to show the politicians who the bad guy really is?

I have a hard time believing AA would do that, unless they intend to pull their Missou flights as well, same difference right?


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Whatever happened to the impending legislation from Tennessee?
I seem to remember some AA arm-twisting...an offer TN could not refuse...like the guarantee of not having to wake up in the middle of the night to find a dead horse in bed with you.....as long as WN came no closer than Little Rock.



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User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 14):
Opie, Ms. Johnson, Member of Congress is agonizingly transparent in her bias; she holds a substantial stake in the Hudson News bookstores at DFW, and derives substantial personal gain from increased traffic at DFW. That she would even consider closing Love, much less proposing its closure shows just how out of touch with her constituents' interests she is. Love Field is by far the largest single source of employment in her district.

The airport folks are pretty excited about Bombardier's finishing facility going in right next to the Gulfstream assembly facility. Oh but, there aren't any jobs at DAL. Ft. Worth is still smarting from Galaxy's acquisition by Gulfstream and subsequent closing of it's AFW facility and consolidation at DAL.



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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Wow, y'all sure do like to poor gas on the fire. Here we go again.....

Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 2):
Now that the Mayor has killed this idea, Pro-Wrighters will have to find another diversion from the real issue of competition and free markets.

So just because the mayor, a woman who every pro-repealer has bashed repeatedly in this forum, has stated her INTENTION (not an a law or decision, an intention!) with regards to DAL, we can call this debate over, you win and you can eat your cake. I've never seen so much celebrating a victory when there is still a long way to go.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5155 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 21):
So just because the mayor, a woman who every pro-repealer has bashed repeatedly in this forum, has stated her INTENTION

Well, remember that Congress has some sort of dufy informal pact with the cities that it won't act unless and until the cities and the airlines have a chance to sort it out. I think someone said something about June being a deadline. So what the mayors think actually has some importance.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 22):
So what the mayors think actually has some importance.

True, but the mayor's opinion is only one of many in this debate, and just because she believes x will happen doesn't mean it will. This is just a filler thread.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5155 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 23):
just because she believes x will happen doesn't mean it will.

Agreed. It just seemed to me that she was publicly stating where the line was that wouldn't be crossed in negotiations. That presumably reflects her marching orders for negotiations. What Congress or her City Council does (particularly in a city like Dallas that uses the City Manager form of government -- at least it used to) is of course completely out of her hands.


25 Caspian27 : It's interesting to me how basically through a loophole in the system WN has been able to flourish, since all the cities and airlines at the time agre
26 HPLASOps : Slight misread on the provisions of the rule. Any carrier can fly 56 seaters anywhere in the country, even WN out of DAL. However, WN chooses to use
27 OPNLguy : All the Shelby Amendment did was to add KS, MS and AL to the list of states that could be served from DAL. While Southwest opened JAN and BHM, it doe
28 Post contains images Texan : Tennessee, Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada are the states I hear over and over again as having their Congressmen and women considering similar bills. O
29 Par13del : Quoting Texan Reply 28 "Still on the table, have not heard anything firm. AA bought some time by making a deal with the Tennessee delegation to dramat
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