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B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?  
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

Which airline run the first flights with 757 across the pond? Was it TWA (I know they did JFK-LIS in 1997) ! But I also remember Birginair flew from the Dom Rep. to Germany (even though they crashed with one of them in 1996)????


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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

i think it could be BA in the early 90s JFK-MAN/GLA/BHX

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

I'm not too sure, but I think British Airways used to fly BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK in the early/mid 1990s.

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User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

No NO NO ....... a Canadian company called Odyssey must be close - around 1991 I think if not before. Also Air Transat around the same time if I recall.

User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR.
Rgds/Jetset


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Air Belgium used to fly 757's BRU-BGR-Florida in the early 90's, if not before...

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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting Jetset (Reply 6):
My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR

Yeah - forgot about Air 2000. They flew GLA-PIK then to BGR because the traffic rules didnt allow them to fly direct from GLA - then they challenged the rule in court and won.


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Probably Scotty is correct out of those given, it was actually 1989. However, Icelandair flew Orlando-Reykjavik (I woudl consider that across the pond) since the 1980s.

Air Europe and Monarch 757s were regulars at MCO in 1990, does anyone know the actual years those services began?


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting Jetset (Reply 6):
My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR.
Rgds/Jetset

Air 2000 yes but Britannia only flew 767-200s to MCO at that time, I think only once did I see a 757 of theirs in MCO.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
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What about ATA/TZ they use to fly them from DTW to FRA for charter flights for the company I use to work for.


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
but I think British Airways used to fly BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK in the early/mid 1990s.

I remember in 1999 seeing BA 757s and 747-200s fly out of YYZ and thought...strange why don't they just have the 747s. The JFK-YYZ connection was dropped later that year, I think.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

As for scheduled service:

In the early 1990s, BA flew BOS-JFK-BHX and YYZ-JFK-GLA (the flights changed around from time to time) with 752s - I believe that this was the first 757 transatlantic service.....BA has a few specially equipped 757s outfitted with a J class interior and these aircraft were high weight versions. Also, EL AL flew a EWR-STN-TLV serivce with a 752 for a few seasons, when EL AL began service to EWR in the 1990s. Icelandair flies the 757 on many routes from the US to Iceland.....it depends if one considers a flight from the US to Iceland trans-atlantic or not.

As for charter service and holiday flights, many European based airlines used the 757s on routes to the US and the caribbean over the years, some involving stops in NewFoundland or in Bangor. Finnair offered a HEL-BGR-FLL service for a few years, for example, my guess (and its only a guess) is that by the early 1990s, the 757 was a common sight on holiday flights from Europe to the US (especially on UK regional airport routes to the Orlando area.)

TW used the 752 on selected services out of JFK for a period of time, after TW disposed of its 741/L10 fleet........but, of course, the big deal was CO who greatly expanded the use of the 752 on transatlantic services.


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 694 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

I know for a fact that in 1991, Nationair, a now-defunct Canadian charter airlines, flew 757s across the Atlantic. They took over the routes flown by Odyssey International when they folded in 1990.

Air Transat started flying 757s a few years later.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

I recall being on a BA flight JFK-BMX in late September 1995 on a 757. I was very surprised that my flight was on a 757. (I connected there to EI to DUB, my return was DUB-LHR-JFK, with the LHR-JFK on one of BA's 747's). I suspect their 757 service was started earlier in the year as BMX would give some pax the option to not have to go through LHR and it's hassles. BA also operated a mini-hub at BMX at the time with numerous flights all over Europe. IIRC, it was a 'ER' 757, with quite a nice interior for a narrowbody. Much better ride than the 707's/DC-8's charters I flew on back in the early 80's.

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting Scotty (Reply 4):
No NO NO ....... a Canadian company called Odyssey must be close - around 1991 I think if not before. Also Air Transat around the same time if I recall.

I have a specifgic recolleciton of standing in a departure lounge in Gatwick, early September of 1990, looking at a Cdn flagged 757, boarding beside my flight (Canadian Airlines 767). I remember noting the comparative size of the forward fuselage and engines... I can't recall whether it was Odessy or Nationair, but I'm sure it was one of them.

Oddessy was in business from 1988 or so, so first trans Atlantic 757 service may have been even before then.


User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7505 times:
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I flew on a Air Europa charter JFK-MAD-JFK on a 757 in the summer of 1992.


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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

What about ICELANDAIR ?!?!
when did they swtich from DC-8 to 757 to fly across the atlantic?


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 17):
have a specifgic recolleciton of standing in a departure lounge in Gatwick, early September of 1990, looking at a Cdn flagged 757, boarding beside my flight (Canadian Airlines 767). I remember noting the comparative size of the forward fuselage and engines... I can't recall whether it was Odessy or Nationair, but I'm sure it was one of them.

Oddessy was in business from 1988 or so, so first trans Atlantic 757 service may have been even before then.

In fact, here's a photo - Odessey operating a flight For Nationair, LGW Sept 13, 1990...


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PS - This is also the earliest photo of a north american 757 at LGW


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

I would think Orlando - Reykjavik should be across the ponds as it's about the same distance as the UK.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
my guess (and its only a guess) is that by the early 1990s, the 757 was a common sight on holiday flights from Europe to the US (especially on UK regional airport routes to the Orlando area.)

Not too common at Orlando really. Air 2000 I think stopped flying to MCO regularly (not sure) until they acquired the 767s. (Canada 3000 had the same livery, but those were Canadian flights). Flying Colors was the only holiday airline flying 757s regularly in the mid-late 90s to Orlando, and that stopped when they became JMC and flew widebodies across the pond. All the other UK and holiday airlines at MCO flew in with 767s and widebodies (UK Leisure, Spanair, Airtours,Caledonian). Air Europe folded in '91. Monarch then flew in mostly A300s/DC-10s. My guess is other 757 flights back then to the USA from Europe in late 80s-early 90's were seasonal and short-lived.

[Edited 2006-05-18 18:27:11]

User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 694 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 21):
In fact, here's a photo - Odessey operating a flight For Nationair, LGW Sept 13, 1990..

In an old Thomson Vacations (Canada) brochure I have here, it indicates that Odyssey International was flying charter flights from YYZ to Palermo, Rome and Catania in the summer of 1989.



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
I would think Orlando - Reykjavik

looks like the earliest photo supports this - note sure where it was flying from, but it had clearly crossed the pond on July 20, 1989.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
I recall being on a BA flight JFK-BMX in late September 1995 on a 757.

I believe the code is BHX, dude.
It sounds like the BA flights were some the earliest if not the first to be used trans-Atlantic. It used to be cool to see a BA 757, 767, 777 and a 747 all parked at T7 in JFK (as well as the much lamented Concorde!).



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 25):


It sounds like the BA flights were some the earliest if not the first to be used trans-Atlantic. It used to be cool to see a BA 757, 767, 777 and a 747 all parked at T7 in JFK (as well as the much lamented Concorde!).

Well, on some occassions there were 747s (For London), a 763 (for the MAN flight), a DC10 (when BA operated JFK-LGW once per day), the 757s as discussed, and a Concorde.....the 777 was not in service yet. Quite a lineup.


User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6975 times:
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Air 2000, Air Europe and Monarch all started Trans-Atlantic services in the 1988 summer season with their newly delivered EROPS 757s.

The 3 airlines' first EROPS 757s were all delivered very close together so it's difficult to say who operated them accross the Atlantic first. However, I'm almost certain that it was Monarch who operated the first Trans-Atlantic 757 flights under the then EROPS regulations.

Air 2000 G-OOOC - line number 162 (Delivered 10-March-1988)

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Air Europe G-BNSD - line number 163 (Delivered 1-March-1988)

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Monarch G-MONJ - line number 170 (Delivered 22-April-1988)

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25 CalAir : I was going to say it was definately Monarch or Air Europe who started the trans atlantic 757 charters, or possibly Air 2 bob. Id say it was more like
26 Isitsafenow : You win. safe
27 VV701 : The BA 757 trans-Atlantic flights did not start until late January 1995. G-BPEE initiated the GLA-JFK-BOS service on 29 January 1995. This aircraft (w
28 Cedarjet : Air 2000 were doing it in 1987, and I think they're the winner. Interesting to be reminded of BA's 757s across the pond to Canada - love the idea of t
29 Gspotweb : Hi all This is my first post here. Have been an avid reader for months. Back in 1997 I flew on a 757 with Air2000 from Gatwick to Vancover via Calgary
30 CRJ900 : One being then charter-only airline Sterling Airways (today a scheduled LCC airline) which had one or two B752ER with 213 seats @ 30-31 inch pitch. I
31 Highflier92660 : Lest we forget the most famous transatlantic city-pair, the 3750 miles between Cleveland Hopkins and London Gatwick aboard Continental Airlines Boeing
32 Olympus69 : I have a photo of a Caledonian 752, G-BPEF, taken at YYZ in 1993. I flew YYZ-LGW-YYZ in 1997 in a Canada 3000 752. I don't know when they started that
33 Ealflyer : I flew ATA 757-200 JFK to Belfast, Ireland (scheduled, not charter) in June 1994
34 Gspotweb : Olympus69. Thats jogged my memory - it was a Canada 3000 flight not an Air 2000 flight that I did Gatwick to vancover. Thanks.
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