Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1374 times:
Yes, BA is pulling out of Islamabad due to low yields.(as well as Dhaka, Bangladesh)And also, Lufthansa is ending Karachi this October I think from something i read a few weeks back.
This is probably due to generally low yields and decreasing number of visitors to Pakistan ever since the militiary coup. However on the plus side, Cathay Pacific will soon launch three weekly A330 Hong Kong-Bangkok-karachi flgihts.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Cedarjet, no need to be so cynical, I meant Islamabad was a nice surprise, lush green suburbs, relatively cool and very friendly people.
I didn't know what to expect, and I enjoyed Pakistan, yes, I'm sure you would like Peshawar; as for the hotel, well my Dad was on business etc.
It is rather ironic that BA are pulling out of such a massive market, perhaps most use PIA, although I do think people like EK/GF are also making a big scoop on the route; GF is only using an A320 though (last time I looked).
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
i find it strange all the european carriers pulling out of Pakistan, Lufthansa(A300-600) did almost two years back, Air France(A310-300,747-200/400) in '94, KLM(MD-11) in march this year, BA(767-300) from Karachi in '91, leaves on Swissair(A330-200) here and Aeroflot(A310-300) if its considered European.Could it be a sinister western govt policy?
Thud From Pakistan, joined Aug 2000, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
Sad news if true. The flights to Islamabad are always full so it does not make sense. Probably the MidEast Airlines are eating into profits.
Karachi airport was a really important point of call once but with high landing charges, high fuel prices, low volume and I guess Karachi and Pakistan in general being pretty low on the tourism scale as opposed to India. Western airlines are fighting for landing spots at Indian airports. Shame really as the NWFP Gilgit etc are quite stunning. There is also skiing in Swat.
Vadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 622 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1294 times:
How is the business traffic segment to Pakistan?
...or is it most family/friends traffic?
I know PIA is selling really cheap tickets to Asian people out of Norway to stimulate their travelling, I guess airlines need a higher load factor then to break even! Maybe even 80% load factor is'nt enough to break even!!!!
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
forgot to mention that Alitalia, Tarom and SAS also quit Karachi as well as Japan airlines, Philippine airlines,Garuda Indonesia, Royal Nepal and Sudan airways. Why cant BA operate the 767 to Pakistan instead of the 777 and route the service via the Middle East to make it more feasible?
Emirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1284 times:
BA and other airline's moves are interesting in the context of Emirates.
Emirates will upgrade its Islamabad service to 777s (two class) next year. 2 of the weekly flights will be 777 the other 2 A330.
With regards Karachi, it certainly is one of EK's trunk routes. They operate twice daily with an additional two freqs. 6 months before the coup they added an additional 5 weekly services, but withdrew them shortly after the coup.
On its KHI flights, EK predominantly uses 777s (config. in two classes). There are a few flights here and there operated by A300-600Rs, A310-300s and A330-200s. Early next year one of the daily services will be a dedicated 777-300 service. Note: EK 773 in two class seats 430 pax !
While the yields on this market may not be great, there certainly is the pax. traffic. Also, EK has a big cargo operation out of Pakistan. The pax traffic is evenly split between transfer pax and point to point pax (ie. DXB-KHI-DXB).
FYI, in addition to KHI, EK flies 3x weekly to LHE using 330/310, to ISB 4x weekly and to PEW 2x weekly using 310.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
But doesn't BA operate 2-class 777s in a dense configuration on some Caribbean routes?
Since most of the UK-Pakistan traffic is leisure traffic, the 777s would be ideal, especially if they pack in over 320 pax? Or is it just that the 777s arent' available for such a route? Or is it that the 777 with very high payloads can't fly London-Pakistan nonstop (especially the return flight with strong headwinds)? I thought that the IGW versions wouldnt' have that problem.
I find it incredulous that there are no direct BA flights into Pakistan given the fact that the UK has over 1 million residents of Pakistani descent. On the other hand, BA and VS are slugging it out over additional flights into India.