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Pan Am Schedule 6/28/1982  
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

The other day I stumbled across a Pan Am timetable from June 28, 1982. I have a number of old PA timetables, but this one could be the most interesting because domestic flying seemed to be at its peak with Ed Acker’s decision to increase feeder flights from JFK and the majority of ex-National routes had yet to be cut, and the domestic feed into the Miami hub was quite extensive. (For years PA had a bad habit of adding domestic feeder flights to MIA and then cutting them after a few months and then just a few months later restarting the same flights again!) Also, European services were at its low point as Pan Am dropped a number of destinations between 1979 and 1981 and then restarted service to many of the same transatlantic spots between 1983 and 1986. Also Caribbean flying was very minimal as those routes were gradually added between late 1982 and 1984. However, PA’s Pacific routes which were gone to UA a few years later were at their apex, and services to Africa and the Middle East were much more extensive than they would be even two years in the future. If anything, this was a transition timetable from the Seawell era to the Acker era and is very interesting to note the shifts taking place.

Here are the details from each of PA’s 4 traditional bases in the USA:

New York JFK Worldport

Average of 44 daily departures.

(Service to Fort Lauderdale was from LaGuardia, all other flights from JFK)

Nonstop service to:

Abidjan
Atlanta
Bermuda
Brussels
Caracas
Dakar
Dallas/Ft Worth
Detroit
Dhahran
Fort Lauderdale (from LGA)
Frankfurt
Houston
Lagos
London (Heathrow)
Los Angeles
Miami
Monrovia
Munich
New Orleans
Orlando
Paris
Pittsburgh
Rio De Janiero
Rome
San Francisco
Sarasota
Tampa
Tokyo
Washington (Dulles and National)
West Palm Beach

Same plane service to:

Accra
Ankara
Bahrain
Bangkok
Berlin
Bombay
Delhi
Dubai
Guatemala City
Hamburg
Hong Kong
Honolulu
Istanbul
Johannesburg
Karachi
Melbourne
Mexico City
Montevideo
Nairobi
Osaka
Sao Paulo
Sydney
Zurich

Miami

Average of 51 daily departures

Nonstop service to:

Atlanta
Buenos Aires
Caracas
Dallas/Ft Worth
Fort Lauderdale
Frankfurt
Guatemala City
Houston
London (Heathrow)
Los Angeles
Maracaibo
Mexico City
New Orleans
Newark
New York (JFK)
Orlando
Panama City
Paris
Pittsburgh
Port of Spain
Rio De Janiero
San Francisco
San Juan
Santiago
Tampa
Washington (National)

Same Plane service to:

Brussels
Georgetown
Kansas City
Las Vegas
Montevideo
Oklahoma City
San Diego
Sao Paulo
Tulsa
Zurich

Los Angeles

Average Daily Departures: 19

Nonstop Service to:

Caracas
Honolulu
Houston
London (Heathrow)
Mexico City
Miami
New Orleans
New York (JFK)
Osaka
San Diego
San Francisco
Santiago
Tokyo


Same plane service to:

Auckland
Bangkok
Bombay
Buenos Aires
Fort Lauderdale
Frankfurt
Delhi
Guatemala City
Karachi
Melbourne
Orlando
Paris
Rio De Janeiro
Sao Paulo
Sydney
Tampa


San Francisco

Average Daily Departures: 13

Nonstop Service to:

Hong Kong
Honolulu
Houston
London (Heathrow)
Los Angeles
Miami
New Orleans
New York (JFK)
Tokyo

Same Plane Service to:

Beijing
Buenos Aires
Frankfurt
Guam
Manila
Orlando
San Juan
Santiago
Shanghai
Singapore
Tampa

[Edited 2006-05-18 20:04:25]

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User currently offlineVTNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

Could you please give details of the JFK-BOM/DEL service?
The exact route, flight numbers and days of the week the service operated.
If possible flight timings and equipment.

muchas gracias,
VT-NYC



First Flight, PA001 DEL-FRA-LHR-JFK; Dream- JFK-COK on a B6 787
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5197 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

What remained of the IAH hub at that time? If they had known CO was gonna file Capter 11, shut down and rebuild from basically scratch, PA might have stood a decent chance of making IAH work for them.

I understand thier work rules however, from the non-domestic days when applied to the new domestic system basically ensured that PA could never have had a viable domestic network.



Next up, STL-ATL-MSY-ATL-STL
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

The routings in this particular timetable were

JFK-LHR-FRA-IST-DXB-BOM Tu Fr Su PA 2
JFK-LHR-FRA-IST-KHI-DEL Mo We Th Sa PA 2


However the December 9, 1981 timetable had this simpler routing:

JFK-LHR-FRA-DEL Mo Tu Th Fr Sa PA 2
JFK-LHR-FRA-BOM We Su PA 2

The Feb 1983 timetable had an even simpler routing

JFK-FRA-DEL TuThSaSu PA 66
JFK-FRA-DXB-DEL MoWeFr PA 66

at this point the round the world flights were ended for good (they weren't revived until UA began them in the 1990s) and flight routings to India no longer like milk runs.


Also interesting to note is how often Pan Am started and the stopped service to Ankara, which was always a tag along to the Istanbul flights.

According to my timetables Ankara was served from 1977 thru 1979 dropped and then served in 1981, from late 1982 thru the summer of 1983 and then dropped again until late 1988 thru the final withdrawal of PA from across the atlantic in 1991.

This particular timetable was in between service to Ankara, so Istanbul was included on the round the routings (PA 1/2). Ankara was actually added again as a destination in the very next timetable, Sept 1982.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Houston had been downsized slightly but was still a viable domestic hub for PA. I think this is right before Eastern came into Houston while CO was in bankrupcy. Here was PA's 6/28/82 Houston schedule:

(all flights daily unless indicated)

Fort Lauderdale 3x
Fort Myers 1x
Las Vegas 2x
London (Gatwick) 1x
Los Angeles 5x
Mexico City 3x
Miami 4x
New Orleans 3x
New York JFK 2x
Oklahoma City 1x
Orlando 1x
San Diego 2x
San Francisco 3x
Seattle 1x
Tampa 3x
Tulsa 2x
West Palm Beach 1x

38 flights a day, but unlike PA's primary hubs of Miami and JFK very little widebody service. All Houston flights that did not route via MIA or JFK except for the London flight were served by 727s.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Actually I should point out in clarifying my above post, Ankara was served in this timetable(after having dissappeared in the previous few) but this is the only timetable I have where it was served nonstop from Frankfurt rather than via Istanbul. The Istanbul flights then continued on to India and beyond.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5197 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 4):


Here was PA's 6/28/82 Houston schedule:

Thanks! Always interesting to see what was, and what might have been.



Next up, STL-ATL-MSY-ATL-STL
User currently offlineStarstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

When was Pan Am's last 707 flight? Wasn't it out of Houston to Central America somewhere?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Quoting Starstream707 (Reply 7):
When was Pan Am's last 707 flight?

It was a charter flight in 1983 from MSY to PHL.


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Is there a link showing the map routes?

User currently offlineEastern1985 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

There is, go to www.geocities.com/departing1983 and click on the route map section. There are severl Pan Am maps.

Also, check out this other website I came across:
http://www.geocities.com/flyingacross1985/

It is all about aviation in 1985, but very cool. I emailed the kid who is doing it. He is in high school and only can update it periodically. It is just in its begginning states but worth a look.

Eastern1985

[Edited 2006-05-18 22:52:46]

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2480 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4890 times:
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Quoting Eastern1985 (Reply 10):
Also, check out this other website I came across:
http://www.geocities.com/flyingacros...1985/

He shows the routes of 'Alaskan Airlines', and I know the name 'Braniff Airways' had long since been used, seeing as it went 'Braniff International', then plain ol' 'Braniff".

But, 6/28 is the best day of any year. Can you guess why?



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting Eastern1985 (Reply 10):
There is, go to www.geocities.com/departing1983 and click on the route map section. There are severl Pan Am maps.

this is interesting, but I think it is somewhat inaccurate. For example, when you click on DCA, and it lists the airlines serving the airport and the cities they served, it doesn't reflect that Eastern for example served LGA on the Shuttle.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4955 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4804 times:
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Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
Nonstop service to:

Abidjan
Atlanta
Bermuda
Brussels
Caracas
Dakar
Dallas/Ft Worth
Detroit
Dhahran
Fort Lauderdale (from LGA)
Frankfurt
Houston
Lagos
London (Heathrow)
Los Angeles
Miami
Monrovia

Are you sure that the service to Lagos was nonstop? Dakar was definitely; Abidjan and Monrovia alternated as the intermediate stop on the JFK-JNB run but I don't believe Lagos was ever served nonstop from JFK...


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 13):
Are you sure that the service to Lagos was nonstop? Dakar was definitely; Abidjan and Monrovia alternated as the intermediate stop on the JFK-JNB run but I don't believe Lagos was ever served nonstop from JFK...

You are correct. That's why if you'll notice Lagos is the only city I listed under both Nonstop and same plane service from JFK. Cities that had nonstop service I did not list the same plane flight to. My mistake. Lagos only had one or two stop service from JFK.


User currently offlineStarstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
It was a charter flight in 1983 from MSY to PHL.

Do we know which ship it was?


User currently offlineVTNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 3):
The Feb 1983 timetable had an even simpler routing

JFK-FRA-DEL TuThSaSu PA 66
JFK-FRA-DXB-DEL MoWeFr PA 66

Definitly did take a DEL-FRA-LHR-JFK flight which continued on to IAH in the April of 1983. Can you explain the anomaly?

VT-NYC



First Flight, PA001 DEL-FRA-LHR-JFK; Dream- JFK-COK on a B6 787
User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Has anyone (else) seen, or have the PA timetable from that era (early 80s), that when unfolded displays a skull and crossbones?

I saw it in 1984 in a QF office in Sydney, when I was attending an IATA meeting there.

Folded, it looks like a hillside with a stream running down it, but when you unfold it you can clearly see the image ...

I understand that this actually went to print before the fault was discovered. Most copies were recalled and destroyed, but there are a few copies in the wild.


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 17):
Has anyone (else) seen, or have the PA timetable from that era (early 80s), that when unfolded displays a skull and crossbones?

I know someone who has such a PA timetable but it's for 1971/72.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 18):
Has anyone (else) seen, or have the PA timetable from that era (early 80s), that when unfolded displays a skull and crossbones?
I know someone who has such a PA timetable but it's for 1971/72.

That could be it - I saw it in 1984 -- any chance you can get a scan?


User currently offlineEastern1985 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

I have a PA Timetable From April of 1985...If that would help then let me know. I will gladly look something up for you.

User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Great post! Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. I'm a little surprised that the LAX-SYD service is not listed. I seem to remember (cloudy) that PA had begun N/S 747SP service on the route prior to that.

I vaguely remember reading an almanac which listed it as the longest N/S flight at the time. Don't remember the year exactly, but I thought it was '80 or '81.

Can anyone confirm?

Thanks.

Picarus


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 11):
But, 6/28 is the best day of any year. Can you guess why?

Well, a few notable things happened on June 28 in the course of history.

-The Archduke Ferdinand of Austria and his wife were assisinated in Sarajevo, thus sparking the instant military build-up that lead to World War I.

-The Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919, ending World War I on the 5 year anniversary of the event that set it off.

-Seoul was captured by the North Koreans in 1950.

Notable celebrities/athletes Mel Brooks (1926), John Elway (1960), Mark Grace (1964) and John Cusack (1966) were also born on June 28.

However, I think June 28 of the year 1983 is the best out of all of them, because, at 10:35am, in Muscatine General Hospital...I was born.

oo-rah

[Edited 2006-05-20 00:58:47]


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