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CO To Use B737-800 On IAH-Hawaii!  
User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

Continental is supposedly going to start flying 737-800 w/ Winglets on all Houston-Hawaii flights. These flights include Honolulu and Maui. Why are they doing this?

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

Holy crap! I thought Texas to Hawaii was an eight hour flight. Via San Diego par chance?


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

It might be IAH-LAX-OGG, but not IAH-HNL non-stop.


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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

I know they use the 737-800 to ANC nonstop from IAH. Wonder if it's a similar distance? I bet this is just so they can free up some of those 767s for EU this summer.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14342 times:

I searched flights on the Continental website, and could not find anything stating this. The fares still show 767s.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
I know they use the 737-800 to ANC nonstop from IAH. Wonder if it's a similar distance? I bet this is just so they can free up some of those 767s for EU this summer.

Maybe so, but there are alot of place you can land and get fuel. Not too many places in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
It might be IAH-LAX-OGG, but not IAH-HNL non-stop



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Via San Diego par chance?

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It's not possible non-stop without auxiliary fuel tanks which would take away cargo space. It's stopping somewhere, it must.

Probably direct service through one of the already mentioned places.

M


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
I know they use the 737-800 to ANC nonstop from IAH. Wonder if it's a similar distance?

From To Distance
IAH-ANC 3266 mi
IAH-HNL 3904 mi

A 738 in a normal configuration cannot fly between IAH and Hawaii. That route is pushing the limits of the 757 (as it is on par with CO's longer flights to Europe).



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6145 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

No way!! It can not make that flight. What is the source?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14250 times:

I reckon it's a single flight number from Houston to any Hawaiian destination that doesn't get a nonstop from IAH, which I presume is everything bar HNL, and involves a "a change of guage" at LAX, but where this person has looked up the flight, it just shows the aircraft type for the first sector, IAH-LAX, and a 737 is entirely likely. At LA you change to a 767. In some CRSs it probably shows as 737/767 but if there isn't space or software compatibility to show two aircraft types, it'll just say 737.


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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14193 times:

I think there might be a misunderstanding here. CO 137 is the new IAH-LAX-OGG flight, which replaced the nonstop CO 49 764 IAH-OGG. The new flight is usually a 757-200, but sometimes is scheduled as a 737 IAH-LAX then a "change of gauge" LAX-OGG on a 757. With the same flight number, it shows up in iteneraries as a 737 the whole way, when the second leg of it is actually a 757. A friend of mine was booking a reservation on this flight and asked me if it was a 737 the whole way, and I looked it up, and found it was really a 757 on the LAX OGG portion.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Narrowbodies to HNL IMO are a joke. I am proud that Delta doesn't fly any narrowbodies to HNL.

Most airlines are now utilizing smaller aircraft to HNL than in the past.


  • American flies a mix of 757-200s and 767-300s to HNL. Both of these aircraft are smaller than the past DC-10s. IMO the A300 would make more sense for HNL.
  • United flies 757-200s, 767-300s and 777-200s to HNL. Did United once fly the DC-10 to HNL? The 752 and 763 are smaller, while the 772 is larger.
  • Northwest flies 757-300s from the west coast, but still uses DC-10s from MSP. Could there be an A330 on that route in the future?
  • Delta flies the 767-400ER, which is approximately the same size as the L-1011. Delta is one of two airlines to use an aircaft about the same size as the past.
  • Continental also flies the 767-400ER, which is approximately the size of the DC-10.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Out of curiousity, are CO's 738s ETOPS? I know they are overwater equipped, but do they meet the ETOPS requirements to even fly to Hawaii to begin with? I can't think of any 737 routes that CO has that would require ETOPS.


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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3435 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14067 times:
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Quoting DFW13L (Reply 11):
but sometimes is scheduled as a 737 IAH-LAX then a "change of gauge" LAX-OGG on a 757

This is exactly the case..  worried  CO 137 IAH-LAX-OGG
737 IAHLAX, 757 LAXOGG.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14047 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Out of curiousity, are CO's 738s ETOPS? I know they are overwater equipped, but do they meet the ETOPS requirements to even fly to Hawaii to begin with? I can't think of any 737 routes that CO has that would require ETOPS.

I don't really know either. Would some of the Micronesia flights need it out of Guam? Thats my best guess.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14047 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15):
I don't really know either. Would some of the Micronesia flights need it out of Guam? Thats my best guess.

Aren't the planes operated by Continental Micronesia part of a different fleet? I didn't think that they mixed with the mainline Continental, but I could be wrong.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14001 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Out of curiousity, are CO's 738s ETOPS?

I'm 99% certain they're not. There is no reason for CO to go to the expense.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13958 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 17):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Out of curiousity, are CO's 738s ETOPS?

I'm 99% certain they're not. There is no reason for CO to go to the expense.

Ok so that would put to rest the possibility of Continental 737s in Hawaii then. But there is no solid evidence in this thread anyway.



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13880 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 17):
I'm 99% certain they're not. There is no reason for CO to go to the expense.

You're 99% wrong.


User currently offlineDxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Continental Micronesia is a wholly owned subsidiary of Continental Airlines, and has a separate Part 121 Operating Certificate. The vast majority of the employees, except for the pilots and the very top management, are Continental Micronesia employees and not employees of Continental Airlines. On the other hand, they do have full flight benefits on CO and are integrated into the same data base for pass riders.
There are nine 737-800 aircraft on the CMI certificate and they are sub-leased from Continental Airlines. All of these aircraft are ETOPS certified, as several routes require ETOPS operations. GUM-HKG-GUM, GUM-DPS-GUM, GUM-CNS-GUM, HNL-MAJ-HNL, HNL-KWA-HNL are all ETOPS flights. 737 flights between Guam and Japan were operated as ETOPS flights untiil CMI received permission from the Japanese government to use Iwo Jima as an emergency airport.


User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

It is supposed to connect in LAX.

User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

My source is a local aviation magazine called flightline weekly. This is a magazine but i'm not sure if it is totally correct.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13563 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Reply 22):
My source is a local aviation magazine called flightline weekly. This is a magazine but i'm not sure if it is totally correct.

I'm sure this information is incorrect--I'd be very very surprised if it was factual. They would not have 2 daily 764s if they planned on stopping these flights and replacing them with 738s, they would reduce the schedule before they do this--Besides they already fly from IAH to LAX and connect onto HNL anyways. Flight 1 also is the route that connects IAH to GUM so I'd doubt this one would leave. This information makes no logical sense that I can see.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13532 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
Narrowbodies to HNL IMO are a joke. I

Guess you're too young to remember the flying boats, 707, DC-6, DC-7, DC-8 and the early Boeing props...

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
Did United once fly the DC-10 to HNL

Also the 747..Pan Am also used the L-1011 later sold to United.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13177 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 16):
Aren't the planes operated by Continental Micronesia part of a different fleet? I didn't think that they mixed with the mainline Continental, but I could be wrong.

Yes, they are mixed. The HNL-GUM flight uses both 767-400 configurations. 5 days a week, the route is flown by the CMI configured 767-400 (20 BF seats) and the other two days are flown by the normally CO configured 35 BF seat 767-400. I've also been on the HNL-IAH flight and the FAs were not from CMI, but were on a CMI configured 767-400.


25 ANCFlyer : Lots of them . . . I flew ORD-HNL on a UA DC-10 in 1998. CO also flew DC-10s IAH-HNL . . . been there done that also.
26 Ikramerica : Must be a summer change. I flew 137 IAH-LAX on Tuesday and it was a 752 with 24F. They still changed planes though, to a different 757 on to Maui. Th
27 Post contains images Falcon84 : Yes, CO's 738's are ETOPS. So are some of the 739's, I believe, and many, if not all of the 73G's. Trust me, I see "ETOPS" painted painted on the fro
28 Post contains images TristanHNL : Goodness I nearly had a heart attack when I read the thread title! I absolutely love those 764's. I couldn't fathom taking a 738 nonstop from my homet
29 Longhornmaniac : I've seen it too, on both the NG 737s and 752s. On a flight back in March on HP from AUS-PHX we were parked next to an ETOPS CO 752. Cheers, Cameron
30 Post contains images NWA757boy : Yes they are ETOPS...I flew on one recently....
31 LPLAspotter : GUM to DPS was bad enough. I'd never fly them nonstop to HNL on the 738 no matter how deep I was in their ff program LPLAspotter
32 FL370 : ya i don't think a 738/winglets can even fly that far!!!
33 AlexPorter : The only 737 that could fly the route, as far as I know, is the 737-700ER, which no one flies yet.
34 Ha763 : Actually, all the 738s are ETOPS certified. CMI uses 738s that do not have the mid-cabin lav.
35 DC10rules : I also took this flight several times. It was flight 43 outbound and 44 on the return. I miss the UA 10's over the pond. Cheers.
36 AQ737 : Does anyone know the reason of pulling the non-stop IAH-OGG? Where is this 764 rotation going? Is the new 757 flight LAX-OGG operated in a BF configur
37 Ikramerica : There was a thread on this when it happened. It had something to do with lack of cargo on the route, need for the plane in Europe because 777s were n
38 MX757 : All of CO's 737 Next Generation fleet are ETOPS. (180 minutes) Some of the 737NG flights from EWR to the Caribbean are ETOPS.
39 Dutchjet : Is this the same source that advised you that EWR-IAH will be operating with 772ERs - please stop spreading false information.
40 Nyskymasters : Although you probably would know better than I would, I didn't think they were ETOPS to 180 minutes. I thought it was 120 minute. LAX-HNL (or OGG) wo
41 Nyskymasters : After doing some checking I found that: B-737-700, -800, and -900 are ETOPS approved to 75 minutes only. B-757-200 to 180 minutes B-767-200 and -400 t
42 Dutchjet : Interesting info.....thanks for doing the research. The stats make sense, CO has absolutely no plans to use the 737 family on transatantic routes or
43 Ssides : Narrowbodies to HNL make perfect sense when flying from SAN, LAX, SFO, SEA, etc. It's no different than flying them on a SEA-MIA, LAX-PHL, or SAN-BOS
44 Dutchjet : As I mentioned above, the only additional consideration on Mainland-Hawaii flights is cargo......lots of stuff goes to/from Hawaii via air cargo, thu
45 Tsnamm : Doesn't Aloha use 737's from Hawaii to the mainland?
46 RoseFlyer : Thanks for that information. ETOPS 75 isn't much, and definitely not enough to get anywhere near Hawaii. Yes Aloha flies 73Gs with winglets to all ov
47 ChiGB1973 : TZ and AQ both use 737 variants on this route. M
48 Mbm3 : Believe me, I love the 764 service to HNL on CO but I would gladly one stop on a narrowbody to get to KOA and LIH directly from a west coast gateway.
49 YULYMX : This is crazy houston is a major hub for CO so why on earth try with a 737 to reach HNL or OGG... stoping in LAX doesn't make any sense... summer mayb
50 Nyskymasters : Don't look for 737's to Hawaii anytime soon. At least not to HNL. One thing to keep in mind is that Ops Specs are a "living" document. In otherwords,
51 EA CO AS : You can do ETOPS 180 certification on the 73G and 738 though.
52 777STL : I have a feeling DL's going to be going narrowbody in the not-so-distant future. Most US airlines, DL included are expanding internationally a fair b
53 PanAm747 : Oh, United used to fly a LOT of DC-10's to Hawai'i!! Now, as far as narrow-bodies go, let us remember that AQ is flying 737-700's from HNL and OGG to
54 Ikramerica : COs Micronesia 737s must have higher than 75 ETOPS to serve the many Japanese airports they fly to from Guam. They need more than 120 minutes, which l
55 1337Delta764 : Only five 767-400ERs are being converted to international duties. Delta will not go through the expenses of getting their 737-800s or 757s ETOPS-rate
56 EWRCabincrew : I just did some checking in our reservations systems, concerning flight 137 (the flight number for our IAH-LAX-OGG flight) IAH-LAX is a 757 and the co
57 Dutchjet : In the past, when CO operated a nonstop IAH-OGG service with the 764, the route always "took a break" for a couple of months during the low demand Au
58 EWRCabincrew : As of right now, the flight shows ending September 5th, not even coming back for the Christmas holiday rush. As all things in life...it is probably s
59 Dutchjet : As I am sure you know, the winter schedule is anything but complete, but time will tell. I fly CO on international flights very often (BRU-EWR-FLL-EW
60 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : I have more than a few times. We probably do know each other. Love Brussels. Great food, great people, great hotel. Crikey, even the schedule now is u
61 Nyskymasters : I found that the CMI is actually 90 minutes for the 737-800s. There are plenty of ETOPS diversion airports out in that part of the world. And, yes, 7
62 Sllevin : How does CO currently rotate the 737's back to the States, or do they do all the MX work in HNL/GUM? I was wondering if maybe this IAH-HNL planning is
63 Dutchjet : I think that CO does its mx work on the 738s in the micronesia division in GUM, with some heavy checks done in HongKong. CO is NOT sending 738s to Ha
64 Tercer : They are 75 minute ETOPS and that certification is to have the ability to operate A700 and east when Bermuda is closed (When closed flights out that
65 N1120A : The route is over 100nm shorter than EWR-TXL, the 752 can make it easily, particularly with winglets Yes, and the 741 and 742 LAX-Hawai'i can be done
66 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : The 737-800s are used for CO/CS (Continental - CO/Continental Micronesia -CS) flight 957 (956 for the return GUM-HNL flight) to GUM (Guam). The routin
67 COSPN : HKG installed the Winglets, Sometimes Heavy work is done in SIN, Depends on the schedule of CO, and SAECO, and HAECO...CO has a Hanger in GUM and HNL.
68 RoseFlyer : Yes that is very true, but it would be an added expense that is not necessary. If I remember correctly ETOPS 180 is required for all twin engine plan
69 Goldentail : Let me put an end to this crazy thread.......... I work in a position at CO that makes me very aware of the fact that our B737-700 & B737-800s are onl
70 DxBrian : The CMI 737-800s are certified for 180 mins ETOPS. I worked on Guam for CMI as a Dispatcher from 1997-99 dispatching the 727, and from Sep 2001 throug
71 Ikramerica : Thanks for clearing that up. As I said before, ETOPS 90 will NOT cover the routes to Japan, HKG, etc from Guam on a 738. ETOPS 120 would on a faster
72 DxBrian : Actually GUM-HKG-GUM can be flown as 120 minute ETOPS. There are 2 routes that allow this: one somewhat north, using IWO, DNA and TPE as the ETP airpo
73 Goldentail : DxBrian; The problem here is that this thread was not talking about CMI.....it was referring to CO Mainline flying from IAH - HNL. As I stated....Main
74 777fan : Amen! I flew a DC-10 on the HNL-ORD leg as early as 1985. I suppose it's all about putting butts in the seats - if the market called for higher capac
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