ContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10334 times:
Wouldn't it be great if a 747-400 could have seats on the lower deck and a restaurant on he upper level? Why hasn't an airline tried that yet? There would still be inflight meals but for those in First/Business there would be a gourmet restaurant.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10214 times:
PA, as well as many early operators of the 747 classic had special use configurations for the upper deck. PA, LH, SN, AT, AA, NW, CI, SQ, IR all had lounges of one type or another. Almost all were converted to regular passenger seating within a few years. SN kept their lounge on the 747-100 because regular passenger seating would have required strengthening the floor.
I've not seen any non-conventional seating on 744's, although SV's 743's had a very large lounge on the upper deck for a short while.
Pgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10145 times:
As has already been well-noted, many airlines have tried this in the past, when the 747 first came out. When it comes right down to it, the airlines are able to make more money by putting extra seats to sell up there than they can by just having a dining room. If First and Business class passengers were willing to pay so much more than they do now just to have a dining room that it would make up for the loss of seats, they would do it. Unfortunately, that just isn't the reality.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10055 times:
In fact, the reason why the cockpit of the 747 is on the second floor and the basic generation of 747s only had three windows in the hump is because Pan Am specifically wanted a plane that had a restaurant like place where first class passengers could go and have a luxurious dinner. Secondly, it was believed that the 747s would be superseded by the Super Sonic airplanes like the concorde and when the 747s became out of style they would most likely be converted into freighters so the planes would be able to carry the maximum amount of cargo all the way up to its nose.
There is a website which is dedicated to Pan Am's service that has pictures of the upper deck cabin while the F/As were serving food. Can someone post the link, because I can't find it right now.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10038 times:
In todays world of economics...it'll never happen.
Our (CO) DC-10-10s had pubs (an area at the 2L boarding door with 4 seats in a row facing the pub area, 4 seats at a bar and a booth with 4 seats - 2 across from each other. That lasted till we needed the seats for revenue. It was awesome and flight attendants and customers loved it.
I believe that there was a thread here about the A380 and SQ with regards to a seat map. No gym, duty free store, etc.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9857 times:
well, you can never have a gourmet restaurant in an airliner simply because the food does not taste the same as it does on the ground. Worse, wines loose their taste as well, which is bad on the really expensive ones.
The solution is simple, have it on ther ground. Lufthansa's First Class terninal in Frankfurt is the best right now and they do serve gourmet food. BA is doing well n their F lounges and other airlines as well.
Even better, they do not waste expensive space in the planes-
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Utapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9805 times:
In mid-80's, LAX-FRA on PA's 747, the food served on tables/linen/crystal in the upstairs lounge was actually very, very good.
Off-topic from "eating", but on-track for lounges onboard.
Anyone remember the AA 707's First Class "lounge" as you entered the aircraft. It was right up front, across from the galley, where the closet or lav might be now on newer aircraft, and seems like it was a booth, semi-circle with a small table. Separated by first rows of FC seats by a plexiglass-type wall, if not mistaken.
And weren't some of the first movies shown onboarad via some sort of film/tape that caused each overhead screen to be a few second ahead/behind the ones in front/back of it?
Also seems like this was the first aircraft I remember with "TV's" in FC...they were actual small TV's on the arm rest console facing the row of seats behind it...used for the onboard movie.
Also, didn't UA's 8's have the "overhead" air vent on the seat back in front, and the reading light on the seatback next to your head??
Been a long time, and I was young, but those things always stuck in my mind. Did they exist, or have I fantasized it all over the years??
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9669 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 10): In fact, the reason why the cockpit of the 747 is on the second floor and the basic generation of 747s only had three windows in the hump is because Pan Am specifically wanted a plane that had a restaurant like place where first class passengers could go and have a luxurious dinner. Secondly, it was believed that the 747s would be superseded by the Super Sonic airplanes like the concorde and when the 747s became out of style they would most likely be converted into freighters so the planes would be able to carry the maximum amount of cargo all the way up to its nose.
Wrong...the only reason is your #2. Cargo loading for the 747. In the original specs the upper deck had the flightdeck and lots of duct work. Trippe wanted a lounge, but as an afterthought.