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LH's Airbus 380 Destinations?  
User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11391 times:

I tried searching for threads with this subject but I couldn't find any. Has anyone heard anything on which routes LH will be using their A380's? I have heard that the will use them on the:

FRA-DEL
FRA-JFK
FRA-EWR

If I'm not misstaken LH bought 15 A380's, so where will the other ones fly?


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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11286 times:

FRA-SIN
FRA-SFO
FRA-MIA
FRA-LAX
FRA-HKG

are some routes i heard of!


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11274 times:

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
FRA-EWR

EWR is not 380 ready nor will it be from what I've understood.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

I'd expect DEN to be upgraded, should it be A380 ready (and I believe it is).

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11215 times:
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I am sure DEN can handle the A380 with their new 16,000(?) ft runway, and they are putting in dual jetways for TED.  Smile

I expect FRA-JFK will be on the list. FRA-LAX probably, as well. Not sure about FRA-SFO as UA already has really good coverage and LH has yet to roll out some of the new amenities like Connexion on that route (which they do have to LAX).


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

LAX, NRT, JFK and India are on the top of the list.

An article in the Chicago Tribune said that LH would bring the A380 to ORD by 2008, but the article was a little too quick off the press. Still a lot of hurdles to overcome before that actually happens.


User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2):
EWR is not 380 ready nor will it be from what I've understood.

Okay, I redd New York on the list so I only assumed that EWR would be a destination.



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10907 times:

YVR is to complete the construction of two dedicated A380 gates by spring 2007. Considering that Air Canada and Lufthansa are codesharing on the Frankfurt to Vancouver run for a few years now using LH's B744 and A346, I would assume that the A380 could be the next logical upgrade on this route. A second A380 arriving in Vancouver could be from Singapore !


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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 7):
Considering that Air Canada and Lufthansa are codesharing on the Frankfurt to Vancouver run for a few years now using LH's B744 and A346, I would assume that the A380 could be the next logical upgrade on this route. A second A380 arriving in Vancouver could be from Singapore !

Are you serious? YVR cant possibly have enough people to put on an A380 to FRA....or get one from SIN. YVR currently has an A340 from FRA 1 x daily and no current service to SIN. If the SIN service was started it would probably begin with a 772LR first....you dont just throw 600 seats in a market overnight! Especially with the O/D numbers that YVR has. If it was JFK or LAX then in would be understandable!


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10765 times:

Lufthansa was one of the several LAX tenant airlines that have indicated desires to operate the type here.


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10760 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I am sure DEN can handle the A380 with their new 16,000(?) ft runway,

Runway length is not an issue for handling the 380. The 380 does not need more runway than a 747 or 777.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

Indian airports like BOM and DEL are prime candidates for the 380....but are they 380 ready? What modifications need to be made to these airports (apart from terminal gates) to prepare for the 380...?

User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10594 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 10):
Runway length is not an issue for handling the 380. The 380 does not need more runway than a 747 or 777.

Runway 34L/16R is 16000ft by 200ft

I think what he was trying to say is that it is one of the few airports where it could at least land, and yes it does need more runway than a 777.


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 8):
Are you serious? YVR cant possibly have enough people to put on an A380 to FRA

In the sumer time they probably would

YVR-FRA
LH/AC is currently using an A346 daily
Condor is using a 763 twice weekly
Air Transat is using an A330 three times weekly

Also consider traffic between YVR and DUS/MUC/ZRH served by LTU B763, TS A330, BHP B763 during the summer

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
YVR currently has an A340 from FRA 1 x daily and no current service to SIN

Nope on both counts. LH uses the A346 and Singapore currently uses a B772 three times weekly from SIN to YVR via ICN, Korea.


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

I think FRA - YYZ could be 380.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

NRT could get a LH A380. The new Star Alliance wing of T1 has A380 capable gates.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 13):
LH/AC is currently using an A346 daily

AC doesn't use the A346, only the A345, and those are maxed out on YYZ-HKG.

LH could also use the A380 on FRA-ORD, along with possible A380 service FRA-BOS during high season. Plus they can take advantage of its capacity further on their FRA-MIA route, which is a daily 747.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 10):
Runway length is not an issue for handling the 380. The 380 does not need more runway than a 747 or 777.

It is an issue for all aircraft in DEN. DEN is a high altitude airport, which can contribute to hot and high conditions in the summer restricting aircraft, which is why they built that 16,000 ft runway, to ease on any weight restrictions that can arise due to hot and high conditions.


User currently offlineMD11dude From Canada, joined May 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

If any A-380 is comming to YVR first...Its definatly going be coming from Asia...regardless of carrier. BTW..SIA does fly to YVR...As well as other key airlines....And their pax numbers are a way higher than the European carriers. Apparently Montreal Trudeau Int. will be getting the first A380 for Canada as Air France looks set to chop a 744 flight in favour.... Can anyone update me on this info...as I know I recall hearing About Air frances intention to operate the type into Montreal.


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9534 times:

NRT DEL LAX SFO JFK ORD SIN BKK are the only planned destinations for LHs A 380s when they initially arrive.

I cannot believe that MIA nor DEN would be part of the A 380 list of LH's.

LH also has never even hinted of sending the A 380 to Canada...the only airline that has confirmed the A 380 coming to Canada is Air France who is going to use the aircraft for their YUL-CDG flights at lease once daily!


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9505 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
AC doesn't use the A346, only the A345, and those are maxed out on YYZ-HKG

That's correct AC doesn't have any A346 but is currently "using" Lufthansa's one on the FRA-YVR route . . . trough codesharing. Star Alliance patners eh ?!


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9447 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 18):
NRT DEL LAX SFO JFK ORD SIN BKK are the only planned destinations for LHs A 380s when they initially arrive.

Not sure about DEL. Will it be ready for 380 anytime soon?

JFK,LAX,SIN,MIA will be the likely candidates. And then SFO.


User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9412 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 18):
I cannot believe that MIA nor DEN would be part of the A 380 list of LH's.

I could maybe see LH bringing the 380 here to DEN during the summer months. LH usually downgrades DEN to the 346's in the winter.

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Matthew



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User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9346 times:

Off the topic a little, forgive me. But how is a airport "A380" ready? Do they need a special type of jetway?

JM  mischievous 


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 9247 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 20):
Not sure about DEL. Will it be ready for 380 anytime soon?

At the time the A380 was announced, Lufthansa's CEO specifically mentioned DEL as one of the first destinations and added that LH could easily fill an A380 to DEL already at that time.


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 9238 times:

LH has stated that the 380 may make it economically viable for them fly down under again - presumably SYD.

25 Post contains images YVRlonghauler : Untrue for SIA. I know that LH's sending an A380 to YVR sounds counterintuitive, but hear this. Obviously not all of YVR's passengers that BA & LH ca
26 Post contains links Cberflyer : See the following newsletter article from DEN. While not in any way a definite commitment, LH itself brings up the possibility of bring the A380 to D
27 KC135TopBoom : DEN's 16,000' long runway is because of the airport's high altitude (5200' MSL), not because the A-380 needs it. LH has been trying to get DFW to bec
28 Boeing744 : Yes, but from INC, which is also served by KE and AC, so an A380 would be unlikely I think. As for LH ever serving YVR with an A380, I think it could
29 Connector4you : True, unless SIA will reroute its flights to YVR trough a diferent Asian gateway or start offering incredible deals out of Changi. In the right hands
30 Jyatlantic : FRA-SFO. The airport was the FIRST airport in America to be ready for the big bird in 2003 (yes, BEFORE LAX,JFK,etc...)
31 Gemuser : It depends very much on the existing airport inferstructure and what you mean by "ready". The A380 will be certified to use ANY airport that the B744
32 TommyBP251b : No B763 with LTU anymore. Just A332 or A333.
33 MAH4546 : MIA and DEN are the perfect type of destination for A380: good yields, lots of leisure traffic, and does not demand more than one daily flight. While
34 ACDC8 : As far as YVR goes, LH may send one in, but I wouldn´t excpect this to happen for the next few years. Although, YVR has a very strong Asian market, t
35 Planetime : That much demand for DEL? I am guessing LH does a lot of business from US-India going via Fra? Is this the reason for this?
36 Christao17 : Um... the dual jetways for TED are not going to do much to help with an A380. The second jetways is an overwing bridge that can reach the rear door o
37 Robbie86 : Is AF a 380 customer at all?
38 Post contains images CityAirline : Yes, they've ordered 10 of them
39 SKA380 : If you're refering to SIA, i think they first need to order the 772LR before they can send them anywhere, no? As of LH, My guesses are NRT, HKG, BKK,
40 A342 : Don't you think they'd use the A346 and 744 first before thinking about A380s to DFW ? But you're right, if they want to use it to DFW in the future,
41 Joost : I've read several posts here and items on other websites confirming that AF's first destinations will be YUL and JFK. When more frames arrive, NRT wi
42 Post contains images COA735 : It did. Thanks Gemuser. JM
43 Carpethead : Considering that FRA is slot restricted until the new runway opens and linking other slots restricted 744 airports or to destinations with small trave
44 RayChuang : I think one of the earliest destinations for the LH A380-800 planes is San Francisco, because the route between SFO and FRA is very difficult to get
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I hope it's true.. I'll be there for it's arrival.. [Edited 2006-05-22 06:10:56]
46 Tbear815 : With regard to SFO, LH served SFO in the early '60's originally with 707's to ORY via YUL. The route was one of the "finest" ways to get to Europe. So
47 Milan320 : I'm sure once the Olympics come to vancouver in 2010 there will be at least one A380 daily in YVR. -Milan320
48 LTU932 : I'm a bit surprised they didn't include MIA, DEN and even BOS. They could have sent the A380s to MIA and BOS at least, along with the routes mentione
49 Robbie86 : I think that LH will use the 380 to DEL, BOM, JFK, LAX, NRT, BKK, SIN, PEK, HKG
50 Post contains images SAA346 : Not sure about splitting daytime/nightime flights since they haven't been very successful out of JNB (connections being the main issue). Having used
51 MetalInyoni : W.R.T these multi jetway gates could they also be used to unload the upper deck of a 744 or are there generally not enough people on the upper deck o
52 764 : I would be very surpirsed to see DEN, as its altitude will make getting the bird into the air an adventure - particularly in the summer. What's the us
53 Johnnybgoode : nope, the upper deck exits of a 744 are for emergency purposes only. i once took a tour of a 744 which was being maintained and they had opened those
54 Qazar : I didn't read everything written on this thread so excuse me if my opinion has already been called in by someone else... Basically look at all the cit
55 Qazar : OOPS!!! Forgot to add SFO YYZ on my list of cities to be served by any follow-up A388 orders!!! Sorry!
56 Airbazar : I would love to see and A380 at BOS however, BOS is nowhere near A380 ready and it won't be for a very long time. And it's not a slot resticted airpo
57 Cubsrule : Are there plans to replace or substantially renovate Terminal E? That place is a disgrace right now, and it needs help beyond just what would be nece
58 PADSpot : But less than a 744 on average. I strongly second that, because NRT is most slot-restricted and most expensive airport LH is confronted with. Togethe
59 A342 : Not really. 2990m at sea level, ISA conditions and MTOW. The 777 is about the same. The A380 has already been at MDE, which has an altitude of 2142m,
60 Qazar : A lot of the predictions here above all make sense, and although Lufthansa's business sense and incredible management will launch the A388 on the most
61 Airbazar : When was the last time you were there? Terminal E was just completely rebuilt, as of 2 years ago. For all intents and purposes it is a new terminal.
62 TIA : And what makes you doubt the lift performance of the A380? Well be sure. JFK will be one of the first airports, with no A380 stationed there, to see
63 Cubsrule : March 1... I fly NW a ton, so when I come to Boston, it's almost always through Terminal E. Last time I was there, I joined some people who flew DL i
64 Johnnybgoode : I second the thought that JFK is not that certain an early A380 destination. granted, the passenger volume would certainly be enough to fill at least
65 Airbazar : Sorry, i thought we were discussing the International part of Terminal E. I can't comment on NW's gates 'cause I've only used it once and I agree it
66 Cubsrule : We were... are we talking about the same terminal? Last time I was there, there was hardly seating. NW's gates are the only nice parts of the termina
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