Curious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
Hi, Very curious to know what a tu is worth and how it compares to its western counterparts? say the tu154 or the 204-214 compared to Airbus & Boeing versions in the same classification?
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
Quoting JHSfan (Reply 1): The price range of Tupolev-204 is dlrs 22-28 million which is close to half of similar western-build aircraft, he said.
Which is why they dont sell many. Buy Russian=Cheap.
if it's not cheap buy western or chinese
Considering their workers probably are paid less than 1/3 their western counterparts, and the local cost of materials is also cheaper buying Russian at western prices doesnt sound like a good idea.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
FlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2): Considering their workers probably are paid less than 1/3 their western counterparts, and the local cost of materials is also cheaper buying Russian at western prices doesnt sound like a good idea.
It may seem that way but I don't believe its the case. Russian aircraft like the 154 are a very tough aircraft, remember the one that took out a whole row of approach lights on flare and didn't even know it happened?.
I don't know what the 204 is actually made of but I can pretty much assume its made of the same materials as all of their other aircraft, sure the engines may be the most unreliable part but the 204 is planning on an RB211 variant (source - Airliner World).
Phil
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StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Yes well that price was for the 204 which looks like the offspring of a 757 mixed with an A321. The TU154M is still in production and is more efficient than the older counterparts but still pales in comparison to the A32X or 73G but surely will be much cheaper still.
Phil
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SBE727 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
Woud a UK carrier be allowed to operate from the uk to europe with
a Tupolev 154 / 204.
Say a new UK start up wanted to go for these types, are they allowed on the "G Register" or can it be leased in with a EU reg instead, like Bulgarian Air or something.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
Quoting Curious (Reply 9): The Tu154M still production? I thought that stopped back in 2000?
No, very last ones are approaching completion, after that the plant where they are built will focus on mx,rework, etc.
Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 3): I don't know what the 204 is actually made of but I can pretty much assume its made of the same materials as all of their other aircraft, sure the engines may be the most unreliable part but the 204 is planning on an RB211 variant (source - Airliner World).
It's already in souce, it is called the Tu-204-120.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
Quoting SBE727 (Reply 8): Say a new UK start up wanted to go for these types, are they allowed on the "G Register" or can it be leased in with a EU reg instead, like Bulgarian Air or something.
You wouldn't be have it certified on the G- register as it is not certified in the UK. You could go down the road of trying to get it certified in the UK but the costs would be too high.
Nothing to stop them leasing them in from a country who is part of the EU Common Skies policy though.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
The Tu154 used must be VERY cheap. There are so many fourth-tier airlines in Russia flying those things around. They really are built like tanks.
-Mr. X
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4924 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
You can't compare cold war era Soviet aircrafts with Western aircrafts. The Soviet Unios is vast and air transportation was to them what roads were for the Romans. The problem was, and especially the Tu-154 (which is said to be really a Tu-134 with three of everything) that they were built for very rough airfields and very extreme weather conditions. The Il-62 and the Tu-154, for example all could land on rough or unprepared strips.
In the West there was no need for this. As most countries had adequate airfields. And still, you had a version of the 737 for unprepared fields. Or at least gravel fields.
Another reason was the Soviet design philosophy at the time "keep it simple".
I have heard different points of view. But in general, at least in my view, there appears to be a consensus where the Tu-154M had better performance than a 727-200 ADV
Pilotcpb From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
Quoting Intothinair (Reply 17): Quoting MD90fan (Reply 10):
No, very last ones are approaching completion, after that the plant where they are built will focus on mx,rework, etc.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1956 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4): The Tu154 at $20-30mn doesnt sound like a good deal when compared to an A320 or 737 at the same price ?
Not at all. I think you have to include in the equation the higher costs for fuel over the period of let's say 5-10 years, logistical nightmares with obtaining spare parts i.e. when you make an emrgency landing somewhere in western Africa, etc.
Quoting SBE727 (Reply 8): Woud a UK carrier be allowed to operate from the uk to europe with
a Tupolev 154
Isn't there a ban on flights of the Tu-154s within the EU (non-compliance with noise limits) coming into effect anytime soon? Like 2007?
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