AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 27 Posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1146 times:
Lufthansa code-shares on Air Canada’s daily Boeing 747-400 service on YUL-FRA.
British Airways operates one daily flight with a 747-200 (BA095/096) if I’m correct.
Air France has been servicing Montreal for quite a long time: 1946 Air France gets the approval for flights to Montreal among other cities in North America 5 October 1950 Air France starts the New York-Montreal-Paris-Rome route 25 October 1953 Air France starts the twice weekly Chicago-Montreal-Paris route 20 October 1995 The Air France flight from Montreal is the first international flight to land at Chicago O’Hare 2 February 1960 Air France inaugurates the Los Angeles-Montreal-Paris route with a Boeing 707 24 April 1960 Air France upgrades the Chicago-Montreal-Paris to jet service with the Boeing 707 10 June 1970 Air France introduces the Boeing 747-100 on the Chicago-Montreal-Paris route May 1998 Air France introduces the Boeing 777-200ER on the CDG-YUL route March 2000 Air France introduces the Boeing 747-400 on the second daily flight (one daily flight in winter)
Also I think Austrian Airlines started the VIE-YUL route this year (early May), and operates a twice-weekly flight using an A310.
On 2 June 2000, Tarom started a service from Bucharest using an A310.
Air Canada operates an A330-200 on CDG since 18 October 1999. They have also used the Boeing 747-400 and A340-300.
They also operate on LHR and FRA if I’m correct.
Anyone would have some additional information? What operators on this market have pulled out from Montreal?
YMQ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
Here it goes:
also AT 4CAS and starting Jan26, MS 2CAI
IB/OS/LY all left this pas winter
OS' service was short-lived -from March to november
on top of that TS, C3000, Royal and Corsair all fly numerous flights a week to Europe -on some days of the week, there are 10 YMQ-France
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1019 times:
I think Montreal is totally under-serviced because my uncle flew yesterday to Dubai from Montreal with KLM. BA, SR were fully booked from Montreal-Europe. KL was also full, but he was lucky he found a place. When going back in September all Europe-Montreal flights are full so that means he has to fly through Detroit and then connect with NW to YUL. Oh and by the way AF BA uses B777 to YUL, and the AF is 2x daily year round, in winter a B747 and a B767 are used (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1578 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
AC is flying the A330-300 not 200 on YUL-CDG,and i've never seen the 747-400 but the old 747-200 which has been retired since the airbuses arrived.oddly this week the A340-300 is back on the YUL-CDG...
AF TW AA NW BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ RG
Polaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 959 times:
Noise: where did you get this information? On a seasonal basis Air France adds a second daily flight to Montreal because of consumer demand. Same will probably happen next summer. Where did you get info about AC pressuring the government?
AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 946 times:
Interesting... But I don't think they'll be able to "send away" Air France that easily. In the El Al case, Air Canada had much to gain. But in the Air France case they would loose access to the French market, which is among the largest from YUL -because of the historical links and the waves of French tourists who visit Montréal and Canada.
Could you please give us the URL of the Montreal-Dorval International Airport Enthusiast Page's Message Board?
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 941 times:
AC can't push out AF, it's AF that controls its own flights, and makes its own decisions.
I really don't see AC wanting YUL to itself... look at the price war in the making between Royal and CanJet, AC didn't start it, and is thus far keeping out of it... AC wants a good sized hub, but competitors are starting to chip away at its YUL market, and AC market share will decline in the next few years. IMHO the reason why some airlines may drop YUL is partly because of the new world of alliance hubs, and frequency based schedules: charter passengers are willing to take weekly flights, but business passengers want daily flights even if it means changing planes at FRA instead of going direct flights once a week.
Polaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 926 times:
Regarding AF and El Al in Montreal: remember that what you read on these enthusiasts pages is often opinion and not fact. Airlines have input in bilateral agreements that are signed by governments. Every effort is made to make these agreements fair to all but sometimes one side or the other is not totally happy. El Al pulled out of Montreal because they said they could not compete. El Al still serves Toronto. For Air France: if market demand requires a second daily flight, they will add a second daily flight. If Air Canada requires a second daily flight, they will add a second daily flight. All is possible as long as it is within the bilateral agreement signed between France and Canada.
AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Polaris, you're totally right.
Note that Air Canada has tried to hurt Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Air France earlier this year by charging the domestic legs these airlines book their passengers on (it is to say AC flights) with unrelaealistic fares. BA had a threaten to suspend their flights and ask to British government to suspend the bilateral.
YMQ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 910 times:
Royal airlines have recently signed an agreement with almost every airlines in Canada that are not STAR members to provide connections. -for more info, try http://www.acemployee.com then click news and scroll down...-They will add a business class and more aircraft. This solves the problem that CX, BA and AF were facing.
On a different note, RT does flies twice weekly which i forgot to mention.
Caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1630 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 884 times:
Just a quick October update to all this.. Egyptair and Lacsa plan to start flights to Montreal this fall. Cubana is switching to Dorval from Mirabel this month. Canjet began domestic flights this month. Roots Air and Westjet have stated they want in to Montreal this fall or early next year. Air France announced last week it intends on keeping the 2nd daily flight to Paris and plans to add a 767-300 (3rd daily flight) next summer. On the down side Delta handed over their Cincinnati flights to Comair. Overall though, pretty positive news for a generally small market international airport.