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Spirit To Start MCO-ATL  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

This one comes out from left-field:

Eff. 4 December 2006:

NK 231 ATL 0650-0810 MCO 319 Daily
NK 238 MCO 2030-2155 ATL 319 Daily

Spirit Airlines already offers daily Fort Lauderdale-Atlanta service.

From Orlando they also fly to Atlantic City, Detroit, New York City-LaGuardia, and San Juan. However, recently launched service to Montego Bay and Nassau were both very short lived.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Spirit Airlines already offers daily Fort Lauderdale-Atlanta service.

I take it, FLL-ATL did better than FLL-DFW  wink 

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Nassau

There was enough competition on these routes, so NK didnt help.



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4899 times:
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I believe MCO-ATL was the number 1 most traveled domestic route (pax volume) in 2005 (souce:bts.gov). I'm sure it was low yielding due to high connecting passenger % and mostly leisure pax, but still...no reason for NK not to get in on some of the action.

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1903 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Very Surprising... I don't see the need for more service MCO-ATL. Surely there isn't enough O&D to support this for Spirit. For FL and DL, there are connecting passengers, for Spirit there will not be. I wish the times of the flights were opposite so I could use Spirit for a cheap day trip to ATL.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

I guess with DL taking just about all of the widebodies off the route (This route used to be pretty much all widebodies [They used to even have several 777 turns and MD-11s back when they were still in the fleet] with maybe a 752 or MD-88 thrown in early in the morning or late at night), there must be demand on the route that is not being met by FL or DL. FL only has so many 73Gs they can dedicate to some of their more heavily traveled routes, so they probably can't make ATL-MCO-ATL all 73G just yet.

What's interesting, at least with DL, the ATL-MCO flights aren't always full, it's the MCO-ATL flights. I tried once to non-rev on DL back to ATL from MCO, and ended up going back via TLH because there weren't any available seats until the 9 o'clock MCO-ATL flight, and this was @ around 1 pm (I could have taken an MCO-JFK flight [At the time this was a 777 flight] and done JFK-ATL, but the JFK-ATL flight was looking real iffy [The last time I had tried this routing, I got lucky and got the very last seat in BusinessElite {The other standbys were pairs}]).


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4831 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
I guess with DL taking just about all of the widebodies off the route

Huh? 11 flights a day and 6 are 767's.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):

Huh? 11 flights a day and 6 are 767's.

At one point it was all widebodies.......


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4762 times:
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It'll be interesting to see how the MCO-ATL legs for all airlines pan out, once DL's international push really gets going. Remember, just 'cause you fly DL to ATL, doesn't mean you have to book DL to MCO ... and with DL's reduced capacity to MCO, you may have to choose another carrier if the flights are full. Even with Spirit adding a 319, I can easily see there being enough pie to go around the table ...

MCO is one of the top destinations for international travellers. Just look at the # of charter 747s that land there, direct from Europe.

I wonder if we'll see a seasonal push over summer, as all the US schools are out, and then late summer when all the Europeans go on vacation ...

Plus the Euro buys a LOT of dollars right now ...

- litz


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 7):
Remember, just 'cause you fly DL to ATL, doesn't mean you have to book DL to MCO

Only if you don't want to go back thru security, claim your bags, and re check in, and go back thru security.

Or only if you like bouncing back and forth between your airlines in irop situations.

But some people like pain I guess.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4704 times:

Very strange indeed, what can Spirit gain by offering one flight per day on this highly travelled route? With essentially no connection possibilities, I guess that they are hoping to pick up some O&D traffic between the two cities, but one flight per day in a market like this usually does not work.....with the rather inconvenient schedules, are these flights going to be filled with pax on super bargain fares? Whats the point of that in these times?

NK seems to be having difficult expanding and finding (niche) markets to exploit. Its troubling.......with all of those new Airbus planes, Spirit needs to find routes where they can make some real money and increase yields, or they are going to run into a problem. There carib/latin america expansion out of FLL seems to have stalled.....and going against DL and AA on routes into their hub cities is also not the answer.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

HAH, good luck with that, especially at those oddball times.  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

So NK will now have 2 RONs at ATL?!? Doesn't seem too logical, given that MCO probably has more gate space, plus is probably cheaper for RONs.

User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
Huh? 11 flights a day and 6 are 767's.

In June it'll be 13 daily flights, 7 of which are widebodies.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 6):
At one point it was all widebodies.......

Never, DL has always had a mix of narrowbodies and widebodies. ATL-MCO hasn't been changed really in the past 10 years in terms of capacity. I remember in 2000 DL having 15 daily ATL-MCO flights, but 4-5 of them were MD-80s and 757s in addition to L-1011s and 767s.

Jeremy


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 2):
I believe MCO-ATL was the number 1 most traveled domestic route (pax volume) in 2005 (souce:bts.gov).

Yes, but O&D is more important than critical pax volume, especially since there are no connection possibilities here sans ATL-MCO-SJU. NYC, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, and Chicago are Atlanta's biggest O&D markets.

Quoting Litz (Reply 7):

MCO is one of the top destinations for international travellers. Just look at the # of charter 747s that land there, direct from Europe.

Make that MCO is a top destination for British tourists. The reality is that outside of tourism from UK, there is little European vacation traffic to the region. Also, charter airlines fly to SFB, very few, if any, are left at SFB.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
There carib/latin america expansion out of FLL seems to have stalled.....and going against DL and AA on routes into their hub cities is also not the answer.

It hasn't stalled at all. It is simply illogical to expand into the Caribbean market during the summer, not to mention that the MD80s are currently leaving the fleet faster than 319/321s are coming, so they have less aircraft until the fall. About four-six cities will be launched from FLL in winter 06/07.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
I remember in 2000 DL having 15 daily ATL-MCO flights, but 4-5 of them were MD-80s and 757s in addition to L-1011s and 767s.

There was at least one 777 flight (routed ATL-MCO-JFK-MCO-ATL) that became two 777 flights once MCO-JFK went to Delta Express that fall, and after they started to retire the L-1011s, they also had a few MD-11s on the route as well. Nearly all of the narrowbody flights were the morning and late evening flights.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Also, charter airlines fly to SFB, very few, if any, are left at SFB.

Seems like a contradiction in itself  Silly . j/k, I know that the latter was meant to be MCO.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Make that MCO is a top destination for British tourists. The reality is that outside of tourism from UK, there is little European vacation traffic to the region

Indeed. IIRC, the only non-UK charter carriers to Orlando are Martin-Air and Condor, and that's it. Exaggerating a bit, probably 9 out of 10 charter flights from Europe to Orlando come from the UK, not counting the scheduled flights by VS and BA to MCO.


User currently offlineNKMCO From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
This one comes out from left-field:

Eff. 4 December 2006:

NK 231 ATL 0650-0810 MCO 319 Daily
NK 238 MCO 2030-2155 ATL 319 Daily

Where did you get this information? It's nowhere to be found in Spirit res system.


User currently offlineNKMCO From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
However, recently launched service to Montego Bay and Nassau

Montego Bay yes - the loads were very light. Nassau never came to life for MCO though - shortage of aircrafts.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):

Indeed. IIRC, the only non-UK charter carriers to Orlando are Martin-Air and Condor, and that's it.

Indeed, though neither are charters. Condor and Martinair Holland's MCO service is scheduled service.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

Where does NK park in ATL. I have never seen them there at all.



Sean from MCO and SDF



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Condor and Martinair Holland's MCO service is scheduled service.

Might be scheduled, but at least Condor is officially a charter airline, even if some of their charters are scheduled.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 19):
Where does NK park in ATL. I have never seen them there at all.

They should be somewhere in the middle of Concourse D. As to why you've never seen them, it's probably because the current flight to/from FLL arrives at ATL pretty late, and also departs very early. Not a long time to catch it.


User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):
There was at least one 777 flight (routed ATL-MCO-JFK-MCO-ATL) that became two 777 flights once MCO-JFK went to Delta Express that fall, and after they started to retire the L-1011s, they also had a few MD-11s on the route as well. Nearly all of the narrowbody flights were the morning and late evening flights.

You do realize that the 767-400 holds more than the 777 in DL's config. Though the 777 is bigger than the 764, a 777 to a 764 is a capacity upgrade.

Jeremy


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Martinair offer connections to Costa Rica dont they at MCO?

Does this new Spirit service connect to MCO-SJU service to offer a ATL-MCO-SJU service (instead of connecting at FLL). Its the only reason I can think of for why Spirit would launch ATL-MCO



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
Never, DL has always had a mix of narrowbodies and widebodies. ATL-MCO hasn't been changed really in the past 10 years in terms of capacity.

I found a printed DL timetable from June 2004:

ATL-MCO 6/2004 (weekday)

12 flights total (7x763, 1x777, 3x764, 1xMD88)
Total seats: 3,029

ATL-MCO 6/2006 (weekday)
12 flights total (5x763, 2x764, 4x757, 1xMD88)
Total seats: 2,692

That's about a 11% drop in capacity, caused mostly by going from almost all widebody to a more balanced mix of widebody/narrowbody. In fact, the only narrowbody (MD88) was a late night flight that left ATL around 11:30 pm...arriving into MCO near 1am.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Have not even seen a checkin counter at ATL for NK. And have not seen them on the Concourse listings at each Train stop. We used to park in the D gates with NW/FL/CO/US.



Sean from MCO and SDF



I Don't know where I am anymore
25 Srbmod : During the time period I was referring to (August/September 2000), DL had yet to put the 764 into service (First revenue flight was Oct. 1, 2000).
26 Stirling : Not a very leisure friendly schedule....Fine, if your schedule includes flights at other times of the day....for an only choice, I wouldn't book it, u
27 MaverickM11 : It looks like it's just free aircraft time in Orlando on an a/c that normally would just overnight in MCO. If sending it to ATL generates more revenu
28 LawnDart : Appears the MCO-ATL leg hasn't been loaded in the SpiritAir.com schedule yet, but I'm wondering if, depending on how the ATL-FLL segment is doing, thi
29 WesternA318 : YAY! Yet another way of avoiding DL into ATL/MCO...sweet...
30 MAH4546 : Condor has positioned themselves as a holiday airline, like LTU and Martinair Holland, and the leisure arm of Lufthansa, like Lauda is to Austrian. M
31 NKMCO : I don't know where this information came from but there is no mention of ATL-MCO in the internal planning structure. The only planning that is finali
32 DeltaDAWG : Yeah, yet another airline that making a mistake. Do they really think that Delta and AirTran are going to rollover and let another company come into A
33 MAH4546 : It is bookable on just about any public GDS system, including Amadeus.
34 NKMCO : Interesting... It's not in Spirit's system. So you can book it on e.g. Orbitz, but not on spiritair.com - something a bit fishy.
35 FutureFO : The ATL website does not even show NK operating into the airport. Are we sure that it is . Sean from MCO and SDF
36 Dutchjet : Spirit has been operating an ATL-FLL service, so they do operate in ATL.
37 FutureFO : Like I said if you go to ATL's websote and check arrival info it does not show NK as operating into the airport. Sean
38 DAL767400ER : Well, you'd have to check the times late in the evening to catch spirit, and limiting the search down to the city pair, FLL in this case, increases th
39 ScottB : No, but you do need to at least make back the direct operating costs of the flight -- fuel, crew pay, landing fees, maintenance due to two cycles on
40 N587NK : actually a few months ago it changed to E34, Im not sure for how long, a memo stated that we were moving to E34 until further notice
41 DAL767400ER : Hmm, only reason I could see for this is that at Concourse D there's simply not enough gate space for NK to RON their plane there. Although HJAIA pre
42 Nkops : Agree... saw it on Orbitz, but not in avail. or in future sked.... I guess we'll see though!!
43 Srbmod : From the flight information page: Each individual airline is responsible for updating the flight information pertaining to its flights. Please contac
44 PVD757 : It's an aircraft utilization improvement effort. The FLL-MCO flight arrived in MCO before 8pm and sat until 9 the next morning - now NK will send that
45 Post contains images 7E72004 : I sense FL will be adding some flights soon
46 PVD757 : heck, NK could do the same thing with the aircraft that sits in ATL from FLL now - maybe to ACY or MYR...
47 Nkops : I'm sure that FL could care less about our 1 flight a day to ATL from MCO or anywhere else for that matter. Not ACY... the times would almost be iden
48 PVD757 : NK with NK plus on a 319 in a market they 'own' (ACY) versus an ASA CRJ. Granted the beyond ATL traffic for DL is uncomparable, but NK ould easily gr
49 SESGDL : I think that DL throwing in a 73S or an MD-88 wouldn't be unlikely. And the flying public really doesn't care about equipment of a flight, the averag
50 Nkops : That would be sweet!!! I would think more like an ATL-DTW possibly though, but probably won't be anything.. Side note, ASA will be using the 40 pax C
51 AV8AJET : Nope both ASA & Comair operate a few 40 pax CR2's.
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