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What A/c Would WN Use TPA-PHX Route?  
User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Hi,

I'm new here and for my 1st post, what kind of a/c would WN use on the TPa to PHX route? Would they need the range of the 737-700 w/ winglets, or would they just do fine w/ a 733? Any info would be appreciated!

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

It'd be a 737-700... (They all have winglets, BTW)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...9/history/20060520/1934Z/KTPA/KPHX

BTW, Welcome to Anet!

[Edited 2006-05-21 20:54:54]

User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 625 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

To answer your other question, it can be done with a 733. I've seen MCO-PHX nonstop done with a 733 before, so it's certainly within range.

And welcome to A.net!



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User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Ok, because i thought a 733 didnt have the range for FL-AZ nostop. Thanks for the info!!

[Edited 2006-05-22 00:26:54]

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

Quoting Monorail (Reply 2):
To answer your other question, it can be done with a 733. I've seen MCO-PHX nonstop done with a 733 before, so it's certainly within range.

Sorta...

It depends upon the winds aloft, and the passenger loads, plus other variables.

I've had lightly loaded -300s on this city-pair (and others) not be able to make it (in the planning stage) because the amount of fuel needed for the flight (plus reserves, alternates, holds, etc) exceeded the max fuel capacity of the 733. The -700s have a larger fuel capacity than do the 733s, so this isn't a problem for them.

I've also had heavily booked -300s not be able to make it, not due to exceptionally strong headwinds, but due to circuitous re-routes due to WX/ATC, and/or high fuel arrival fuel requirements for PHX (thunderstorms, blowing dust, delays, etc.)

Bottomline here, as far as this particular TPA-PHX segment is concerned, a 733 can make if all the planets line-up in just the right order, but usually one doesn't (and all it takes is one) and with our loads, a -700 is routinely scheduled for this one.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

The 737-300 could with no problem.

Our 737-300s used to go (and some might still do for equipment substitution) EWR-PHX (2133 miles), EWR-SJC (2548 miles), EWR-SAN (2425 miles), EWR-MEX (2076 miles) and EWR-SNA (2433 miles).

TPA-PHX is only 1788 miles.

(all mileage was calculated from http://gc.kls2.com/ )



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
The 737-300 could with no problem.

Our 737-300s used to go (and some might still do for equipment substitution) EWR-PHX (2133 miles), EWR-SJC (2548 miles), EWR-SAN (2425 miles), EWR-MEX (2076 miles) and EWR-SNA (2433 miles).

TPA-PHX is only 1788 miles.

Either these aircraft had auxilliary tanks, or you are smoking something!


User currently offlineWN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

WN could use 737-700 or could use the 737-300

WN uses a 300 for PIT-PHX


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 6):

Either these aircraft had auxilliary tanks, or you are smoking something!

No to both those questions.  Smile

(This is off subject, but we even flew the MD-80 from the SAN-EWR, non stop, a few times. I remember it all too well as I as jumpseating to work)



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

I flew ORD-OAK (1835 miles) on a UA 733, so TPA-PHX should be no problem.

'902



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User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

i posted this bec i am flying that segment (TPA-PHX) on May 23rd on WN flt#2318 and i am hoping for it to be a 73G. Maybe I'll try flightaware...

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26483 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting AeroMaxx (Reply 10):
i posted this bec i am flying that segment (TPA-PHX) on May 23rd on WN flt#2318 and i am hoping for it to be a 73G. Maybe I'll try flightaware...

Like OPNLguy said, it is scheduled as a 73G so it will most likely be so.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
I flew ORD-OAK (1835 miles) on a UA 733, so TPA-PHX should be no problem.

United's 733s are C1 engined, Southwest's are B1. TPA-PHX is not an issue for all 733s, just WN's 733s. They can and have done MSY-LAX non-stop, however.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting WN57787 (Reply 7):
WN could use 737-700 or could use the 737-300

WN uses a 300 for PIT-PHX

How many PAX do both aircraft hold? I would guess WN would use a 700 on TPA-PHX!




WN57787,

Have you heard of any new destinations for WN in Pittsburgh?



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

From the Southwest website:


Fleet:
Southwest currently operates 451 Boeing 737 jets (as of March 28, 2006).

Type Number Seats
737-300 194 137
737-500 25 122
737-700 232 137



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):

(This is off subject, but we even flew the MD-80 from the SAN-EWR, non stop, a few times. I remember it all too well as I as jumpseating to work)

WOW! I thought an MD-80 on SAN-ORD was pushing it... I guess I was wrong!

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
It'd be a 737-700... (They all have winglets, BTW)

Every 737-700 now has winglets? They made the transition really quickly then... Hasn't it only been 2 or 3 years since they were first introduced?



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
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Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 6):
Either these aircraft had auxilliary tanks, or you are smoking something!

Actually, HP used to fly this route BWI-PHX, I flew it both ways in winter for a Christmas holiday. I remember thinking that it did not have the range when I was at the gate, but then I realised that airline would fly an aircraft which did not have the range! Sure enough, in the inflight magazine, HP listed the 733 as having 3000 mile range. This was in 1991 or 1992, it's been a while.

Later, when I moved to DC, I flew the route again, but then it was operated by 757s. That was in 2000.

Something tells me that TPA/PHX on a 733 is doable and we are not popping pills, smoking weed, freebasing, or even drinking; clearly it is your information which is incorrect.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26483 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Fleet:
Southwest currently operates 451 Boeing 737 jets (as of March 28, 2006).

Type Number Seats
737-300 194 137
737-500 25 122
737-700 232 137

454 now, which would mean 235 737-700s



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User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
How many PAX do both aircraft hold?

both the 733 and the 73G seat 137 pax in a 1-class configuration.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting AeroMaxx (Reply 17):
both the 733 and the 73G seat 137 pax in a 1-class configuration.

Ok thank you! Why does WN operate a 300 then on PIT-PHX? I thought maybe the 300 held fewer PAX.



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User currently offlineJacks757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

What aircraft does HP use on this route?

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quoting Jacks757 (Reply 19):
What aircraft does HP use on this route?

According to their website: A320



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
454 now, which would mean 235 737-700s

Correct...

If folks want to keep up on current info on aircraft counts, I update the Wikipedia site entry for "Southwest Airlines" whenever we get a new delivery...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
United's 733s are C1 engined, Southwest's are B1. TPA-PHX is not an issue for all 733s, just WN's 733s. They can and have done MSY-LAX non-stop, however.

Also correct. I think many folks who are chiming in here might not be aware that seemingly "identical" aircraft can differ between the different airlines, depending upon what engine variant and structural weight limit options Airline-A ordered that Airline-B did not. The old 737-200 ADV was a good example; while they all looked "identical" to the casual observer, they could have -9, -15, or -17 engines; 115,000, 119,500, or 124,500 max takeoff weights; and 103,000, 105,000, or 107,000 max landing weights. So, while appearing "identical", one airline's 737s could have better/worse operational capabilities depending on who had what. Similar variations exist within the 737 "Classic" and "NG" families.

Quoting AeroMaxx (Reply 10):
i posted this bec i am flying that segment (TPA-PHX) on May 23rd on WN flt#2318 and i am hoping for it to be a 73G. Maybe I'll try flightaware...

If you don't get a -700 for your TPA-PHX non-stop on 5/23, I owe you lunch..

Quoting San747 (Reply 14):
Every 737-700 now has winglets? They made the transition really quickly then... Hasn't it only been 2 or 3 years since they were first introduced?

If memory serves, I think they finished up the retrofit program a little over a year ago. New -700s have been coming with the winglets already installed for longer than that.

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 15):
Something tells me that TPA/PHX on a 733 is doable and we are not popping pills, smoking weed, freebasing, or even drinking; clearly it is your information which is incorrect.

Maybe yes, maybe no. There is no one-size-fits-all answer, since it depends upon the items that I've mentioned above, and in my earlier post.


User currently offlineWN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
Have you heard of any new destinations for WN in Pittsburgh?

Nop.... BWI would be A wonderfull Route.

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
How many PAX do both aircraft hold? I would guess WN would use a 700 on TPA-PHX!

735 holds 122
733 holds 137
73G holds 137

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
Ok thank you! Why does WN operate a 300 then on PIT-PHX? I thought maybe the 300 held fewer PAX.

that is what is Scheduled sence March Scheduled up untill Augest. Schedule.
the Flt is full most days.


User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
I thought maybe the 300 held fewer PAX

The 733 is the same size as the 73G, but the 73G is just an upgraded version of the 733 w/ 737NG technology.


User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

by any chance will flt #2318 be on any Shamu planes?

25 OPNLguy : I'll check when I get in later this afternoon. We're back down to 3 Shamus (from 5 temporarily), so they'd be N334SW (a -300, not likely on your flig
26 Post contains images ViveAF : Hi and welcome to a.net ! If it`s any use - this is the WN timetable display on our Galileo Res System TAMPA/PHOENIX WN (SOUTHWEST AIRLINES TEXAS) 01M
27 AeroMaxx : i am also doing a PHX-SMF segment on same day flt #2116. can anyone find out what a/c will ne used?
28 OPNLguy : Something didn't click with the 2318 flight number, since the non-stop flight is 1149. I had always assumed that you meant "non-stop" since you menti
29 OPNLguy : Will also check that when I get in... (2pm C)
30 CentPIT : Thank you, this is good to know! Thanks for the information!
31 AeroMaxx : You were right... the TPA-SAT-PHX flt was a 733. The full flt was FLL-TPA-SAT-PHX-PDX. I got off at PHX and took flt 2116 PHX-SMF on a 73G.
32 Cgagn : I'm flying on WN1124 from vegas to lax on the 21st of July. What model can I expect to fly on?? Is it a last minute decision based on loads or what??
33 Iowaman : Must of had a -300 sitting around in PIT and not any -700's available, because i'm sure WN would prefer to have a -700 on PIT-PHX, but that's just th
34 CentPIT : Do you know of any new routes for WN in PIT? Any news is appreciated![Edited 2006-05-26 02:54:06]
35 Iowaman : Don't know of any right now. I'm a little bit concerned about how WN is performing at PIT. If my calculations are right, WN achieved a 58.3% load fac
36 Pgtravel : I also flew an HP 733 IAD-PHX westbound back when they first served IAD. I remember it started as a 319, but as reliability worsened, they just kept
37 CentPIT : No problem. I do know that WN has moved up to 10.37% of the PIT market. I do agree that they should begin flights with less competition! US is probab
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