AeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4150 times:
I'm new here and for my 1st post, what kind of a/c would WN use on the TPa to PHX route? Would they need the range of the 737-700 w/ winglets, or would they just do fine w/ a 733? Any info would be appreciated!
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3988 times:
Quoting Monorail (Reply 2): To answer your other question, it can be done with a 733. I've seen MCO-PHX nonstop done with a 733 before, so it's certainly within range.
It depends upon the winds aloft, and the passenger loads, plus other variables.
I've had lightly loaded -300s on this city-pair (and others) not be able to make it (in the planning stage) because the amount of fuel needed for the flight (plus reserves, alternates, holds, etc) exceeded the max fuel capacity of the 733. The -700s have a larger fuel capacity than do the 733s, so this isn't a problem for them.
I've also had heavily booked -300s not be able to make it, not due to exceptionally strong headwinds, but due to circuitous re-routes due to WX/ATC, and/or high fuel arrival fuel requirements for PHX (thunderstorms, blowing dust, delays, etc.)
Bottomline here, as far as this particular TPA-PHX segment is concerned, a 733 can make if all the planets line-up in just the right order, but usually one doesn't (and all it takes is one) and with our loads, a -700 is routinely scheduled for this one.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 2137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3788 times:
Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 6): Either these aircraft had auxilliary tanks, or you are smoking something!
Actually, HP used to fly this route BWI-PHX, I flew it both ways in winter for a Christmas holiday. I remember thinking that it did not have the range when I was at the gate, but then I realised that airline would fly an aircraft which did not have the range! Sure enough, in the inflight magazine, HP listed the 733 as having 3000 mile range. This was in 1991 or 1992, it's been a while.
Later, when I moved to DC, I flew the route again, but then it was operated by 757s. That was in 2000.
Something tells me that TPA/PHX on a 733 is doable and we are not popping pills, smoking weed, freebasing, or even drinking; clearly it is your information which is incorrect.
If folks want to keep up on current info on aircraft counts, I update the Wikipedia site entry for "Southwest Airlines" whenever we get a new delivery...
Quoting N1120A (Reply 11): United's 733s are C1 engined, Southwest's are B1. TPA-PHX is not an issue for all 733s, just WN's 733s. They can and have done MSY-LAX non-stop, however.
Also correct. I think many folks who are chiming in here might not be aware that seemingly "identical" aircraft can differ between the different airlines, depending upon what engine variant and structural weight limit options Airline-A ordered that Airline-B did not. The old 737-200 ADV was a good example; while they all looked "identical" to the casual observer, they could have -9, -15, or -17 engines; 115,000, 119,500, or 124,500 max takeoff weights; and 103,000, 105,000, or 107,000 max landing weights. So, while appearing "identical", one airline's 737s could have better/worse operational capabilities depending on who had what. Similar variations exist within the 737 "Classic" and "NG" families.
Quoting AeroMaxx (Reply 10): i posted this bec i am flying that segment (TPA-PHX) on May 23rd on WN flt#2318 and i am hoping for it to be a 73G. Maybe I'll try flightaware...
If you don't get a -700 for your TPA-PHX non-stop on 5/23, I owe you lunch..
Quoting San747 (Reply 14): Every 737-700 now has winglets? They made the transition really quickly then... Hasn't it only been 2 or 3 years since they were first introduced?
If memory serves, I think they finished up the retrofit program a little over a year ago. New -700s have been coming with the winglets already installed for longer than that.
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 15): Something tells me that TPA/PHX on a 733 is doable and we are not popping pills, smoking weed, freebasing, or even drinking; clearly it is your information which is incorrect.
Maybe yes, maybe no. There is no one-size-fits-all answer, since it depends upon the items that I've mentioned above, and in my earlier post.