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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Which airlines have J class seats that transform into fully flat beds?

We are evaulating whether to go business class to NZ next time, and whether NZ, SQ, CX, EK or BA/QF would be the best way to go in J. From what I can see, only NZ and BA have fully flat beds in J, the others have at best a seat that goes flat on an incline (a "sleeperette" seat).

I reckon NZ (on the NZ1 LHR-LAX-AKL route) will be the best bet, but didn't know what the others offered?

Cheers
Noel

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User currently offlineTreeny From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Go Singapore Airlines or Emirates for me!!!

User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

hey!

Let's take a look on SeatGuru's chart at http://www.seatguru.com/charts/business_class.php

You will find your info!


User currently offlineLotsatLHR From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

NZ would be the only way to New Zealand in a flat bed the whole way. Either stopping in LAX or in the future HKG will be a possibility.

BA and VS could get you there with a connection in SYD.

SQ, CX, EK, QF are all lie-flat (angled seats).

IF flat beds are essential I would take NZ (only one stop). BA and VS would be two stops and the last sector would not be flat bed.

QF and EK would also be two stops (not flat bed, but lie-flat instead). EK can be a bit dodge with LHR-DXB in business. some of these seats are old.

SQ, CX would be just one stop (no flat bed, lie-flat instead).

Take NZ, sign up for BMI's diamond club and become i believe star alliance gold with just that return flight (38,000 miles qualification on BMI).



ta-ta-for-now!
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting Dean (Reply 2):
Let's take a look on SeatGuru's chart at http://www.seatguru.com/charts/busin...s.php

That page is cool - thanks! I have used seatguru before but didn't know about that section - awesome and tells you everything - thanks!

Quoting LotsatLHR (Reply 3):
become i believe star alliance gold with just that return flight (38,000 miles qualification on BMI).

We're already Diamond Club members - wow sounds like a good deal, plus we'd have the J class MAN-LHR (although we're only doing it all one way but it still won't hurt our balance with bmi).

Thanks for the quick replies - looks like NZ it is!  Smile


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 4):
looks like NZ it is!

Depending on when you are travelling, it may be better to take the new LHR-HKG-AKL route and avoid the hassles of going through LAX.

 Smile



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 5340 times:

Air Canada will have their flat beds installed this year on 767-300s and A330s plus on their new 777s and 787s. AC will have the first 767-300ER with new lie flat suite in June of this year.

User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 5334 times:

Go to www.flatseat.com for all the information you need.

User currently offlineMaperrin From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 5315 times:

hi ! There is NO DOUBT that best beds are SQ ones. They are perfect ! IF you fly 744 , go upperdeck, if 777 avoid middle seats (3 together)

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 5276 times:

Quoting Maperrin (Reply 8):
hi ! There is NO DOUBT that best beds are SQ ones.

There's no doubt they are NOT. The seats aren't even FLAT. Just those lie flat slippery slopes everybody seems to have.

Flatbeds:

BA
VS
NZ
KQ
SA
AC (soon)

And I'm sure I missed some.



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting LotsatLHR (Reply 3):
Take NZ, sign up for BMI's diamond club and become i believe star alliance gold with just that return flight (38,000 miles qualification on BMI).

Although with Diamond Club once you hit Silver threshold (16,000 miles) the membership miles are reset to zero and you need another 38,000 for Gold. If you are already BD Silver it is obviously just 38,000 miles required for BD Gold.

If in your shoes I'd probably also go with the NZ route via HKG also.



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User currently offlineLotsatLHR From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 10):
Although with Diamond Club once you hit Silver threshold (16,000 miles) the membership miles are reset to zero and you need another 38,000 for Gold. If you are already BD Silver it is obviously just 38,000 miles required for BD Gold.

I thought the whole ludricrous resetting malark was a BA thing. Ah well. I'm still learning something here every day.



ta-ta-for-now!
User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 4):
Let's take a look on SeatGuru's chart at http://www.seatguru.com/charts/busin...s.php

You need to be careful with that page. I have noticed a number of mistakes.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8182 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

I've flown Business on BA, QF and CX and, for long haul flights, I prefer the BA seats for comfort and privacy - especially the window seats.

If you're looking at a Business fare between LHR and AKL it might be interesting to look at RTW fares. You would need to research where you can get the best fares (look under Global Alliances at http://flyertalk.com/milesfr.shtml for some comparison of fares in different countries) as you can save over £1,000 per ticket - as well as getting to try a lot of different airlines along the way. I take this approach because I hate flying west to east on long haul flights - as well as being cheap.

Have a great trip!


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
AC will have the first 767-300ER with new lie flat suite in June of this year.

Schedule roll out date for the first conversion is June 30th.



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

You're talking horizontal 180 degree beds right? A lot of carriers have seats that go flat, but very few horizontal. NZ is a good choice because their new seats are the same ones on the new VS suites. VS gave them permission I believe. I'm looking forward to seeing the new BA Club seat - I heard that the a/c will be configured First class, WTP, Club, then Economy, as the a/c is slightly wider where the current WTP cabin is.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

No discussion, go with Air New Zealand.......new lie-flat seats, recently upgraded airplanes, advanced IFE, very nice service, and very convenient one stop service between the UK and AKL.

I have flown the flight several times (have not tried the new seat yet) and the LAX stopover is NO big deal, especially if you are a US, UK or NZ citizen. NZ handles the flights everyday and their staff know exactly what they are doing and the US transit is well managed.


User currently offlineFL370 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

i believe UA is getting them when they reto fit the international fleet with the new seats. i heard they were going to instal the P.S first class seats as J class seats on the 777s and 747s, and possibly 767-300.

User currently offlineLredlefsen From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Quoting LotsatLHR (Reply 3):
BA and VS could get you there with a connection in SYD.

Of the mentioned airlines, my only experience is on BA and VS between SFO and LHR, and IMHO, VS's Upper Class stands head and shoulders above BA's current Club World. On VS, you never have to climb over anyone to get to an aisle, and you'll always face forwards.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4052 times:
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SAA have the best but they don't fly to NZ, although you could fly LHR-JNB-SYD then take the last hop with someone else!


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User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

You know, I flew NWA SEA - AMS return in World Business Class in February on the A330-300, and was able to sleep fine in the 176 degree recline seats. I just belted up outside the blankie, put the footrest down, and slept on my side.

Now, the Z fare on NWA was something like USD 2750.00. The C fare on BA was and is something like 4K and change. So, I'm saving approx. $825.00 each way for four degrees of recline from BA. Sure, I'd *love* to fly Club World, but NWA's configuration in WBC is *very* generous and the service is acceptable. I mean, I never had to ring the call bell once during my two ten hour flights. So NWA's sold me on a lie flat, but not 180 degree seat. Until, that is, BA lowers their fares. Besides, NW 34 leaves at 1340 arrives AMS at 0800 and BA 48 leaves SEA around 1840 and arrives LHR at 1200. NW 33 leaves AMS around 1140 and you get back to SEA before noon. BA 49 leaves at 14something and you get back to rush hour traffic coming home.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting LotsatLHR (Reply 3):
i believe star alliance gold with just that return flight (38,000 miles qualification on BMI).

It's actually 54K miles for BD gold.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 10):
Although with Diamond Club once you hit Silver threshold (16,000 miles) the membership miles are reset to zero and you need another 38,000 for Gold. If you are already BD Silver it is obviously just 38,000 miles required for BD Gold.

I'd recommend joining Air Canada where it's 35K miles to *A gold (Aeroplan Elite). Unfortunately *A generally offers very poor bonus miles (compared to Skyteam 100% bonus when you're gold) for gold members, but that's kind of common to all carriers on the *A.



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User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting Noelg (Thread starter):
Air Canada will have their flat beds installed this year on 767-300s and A330s plus on their new 777s and 787s. AC will have the first 767-300ER with new lie flat suite in June of this year.

It is about time too. Harmony Airways is about half the price and their business class is on par or better than AC.

The new flat beds are really nice though.



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User currently offlineCXtra From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

surpised this topic hasn't been mentioned before  Wink...anyway, my advice would be to avoid ba/qf as the change in syd means a320/767 acrosss the tasman which would have an inferior product. plus 2 stops is overall more hassle.

if you do want to see australia, ek is a good way to go though make sure you book one of the a345 services that are non-stop dxb-australia. if u transit in syd you'll take a 773er to akl. from mel, the same a345 that's come from dxb will continue. but if australia's not on your list, i'd avoid ek because their business product isn't the best and again, there's the extra stop.

as for other carriers, i don't know about nz because i haven't flown them, but bear in mind that their hkg-lhr/lgw route hasn't begun yet...i think.

that leaves sq and cx - my preferences. i think it's important not to over-estimate the flat-beds because there are many more factors in a good c-class product...service, food etc... sq and cx both do very well overall. i'd go with whoever has the best deal, unless ff points are an issue. good luck  Smile



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

that ultra long flight cant be comfortable, even in the up front classes.
has anyone here tried it?

Ben



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25 Ade99 : The VS upper class suite is the best seat, it was licenced out to NZ and AC are rolling it out too. It looks as if it is going to become the benchmark
26 SU : For just bed and seat definitely NZ for catering and inflight entertainment definitely SQ. I have flown NZ new seat rand was very impressed with their
27 Noelg : 26 hours isn't actually too bad with the stop in the middle - at least you can stretch your legs between gates. I've done LHR-HKG-AKL in 26 hours, AK
28 WJ : Upper class is VS's first class so it would not fit this thread's topic. Regardless, BA's club world is just as good as Upper Class, with BA's actual
29 Richard28 : Incorrect, Virgin Upper Class is a business class product. VS do not operate a first class cabin.
30 TheSunseeker : little bit off topic, but... ...I will be flying home from Cape Town to Duesseldorf via Muenchen on LTU soon. Do the DUS passengers stay on the plane
31 Post contains links Andz : Don't know who told you that, Skytrax has voted the SA seat the world's best 2 years running. IB also got the top rating. http://www.flatseats.com/Re
32 Post contains images ClassicLover : Why don't you fly London to Helsinki, then to BKK/SIN or HKG on Finnair? You get flat beds in Business Class, some of the best wines in the world, and
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