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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

Take a look at the copy on this CO ad regarding the introduction of the B707.

Copy reads: Television in the first class lounge.

Did CO every actually install this or just wishful thinking on their part. Don't know if it's been talked about before, I haven't seen it.



http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...ntal%20Compressed/CO5904insert.jpg

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4620 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

http://www.waea.org/ife.htm

Some quotes -

1961 - First feature film exhibited on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight (TWA B707) - MGM's BY LOVE POSSESSED, starring Lana Turner and Efrem Zimbalist Jr.

1962 - American & Pan Am install TV monitors in first class on the Lockheed Electra (an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

1962 - AVID Airline Products develops and manufactures the first pneumatic headset used onboard the airlines and provides them to TWA.

1971 - Trans Com develops the 8mm film cassette. Flight attendants could now change movies inflight and add short subject programming.

1975 - Braniff Airways introduces Atari video games onboard flights.

1996 - Live television premiered on a Delta Air Lines B767 to support the Atlanta Olympics.

--

Anyway, there is a photo around of the monitors in the Pan Am 707. They're on the coat rack above the seats. Couldn't find it with a quick Google search unfortunately.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

No they never did.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4620 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!

There was no such thing as Business Class in the 1960s. Business Class came about in the late 1970s.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!

Don't know, but what ever the question is, New York Air did it first!


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7758 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Just as a side note, a roundtrip Club Coach seat between ORD and LAX would cost ~ $1140 in 2005 dollars after adjusting for inflation. Not including any applicable taxes or fees.


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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems


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User currently offlineSR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 7):
I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems

In the book "Classic American Airlines" by Geza Szurovyn, on page 181, there is a photo of passengers watching TV onboard a Fokker F-10 of Western in the 1930s.

In George W. Cearley's book about Western Air Lines, there is the same photo on page 21 with the following text: "The first transmission of a television image to an airplane was achieved on the Western Air Express airliner in June 1932."



My favourite planes flown: Lockheed 188 Electra, Tridents, VC-10, B-707, L-1011, A330, E90 + Concorde
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7758 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 7):
I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems

we just have to settle for the woodcarvings and cave paintings from that era.  Wink

If you have ever seen the movie Bullitt there is a scene near the end of the film where Steve McQueen's character catches up with the bad guy who is on a PanAm 707 @ SFO. On board you can clearly see B&W CRTs up in the overhead... part of an early in-flight video system that wasn't kept all that long.



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

pretty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?



"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 10):
retty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?

 Big grin

VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5095 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
Quoting BandA (Reply 10):
retty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?



VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

TWFirst,

Thats what I was thinking, so I am guessing then these TV's relied on Air signals which almost don't exist now lol... only 2 channels where I live and even those are only if you live close to or within the city.

They must've had stronger TV transmitters back then.

Maybe they used some other device, a VCR's predecessor?

[Edited 2006-05-22 23:10:00]


"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5084 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):

No they never did.

I tend to disrespectfully disagree. Not quite long ago I saw the monitors in a PA B707 movie [developed at SFO], Sorry can't remember the name.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5045 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):

No they never did.

I tend to disrespectfully disagree. Not quite long ago I saw the monitors in a PA B707 movie [developed at SFO], Sorry can't remember the name.

He was talking about The Electra, read the quote!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
1962 - American & Pan Am install TV monitors in first class on the Lockheed Electra (an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

No they never did.


User currently offlineDash80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4960 times:

When I was 12 I flew LAX-HNL on a Pan Am 707 in June 1968. The aircraft had B/W TV monitors in the open overhead racks. They showed the Mary Tyler Moore movie, "What's So Bad About Feeling Good." I belive they used a small telecine systems which allowed film to be coverted to a TV signals and sent to the monitors. The IFE utilies pnumatic audio with about 8-12 channels. No business class but the had a super economy service which provided only beverages but no meal service. The aircraft was equped with the small FC loungfe with the wraparound coauch and an oval table on the left side of the aircraft accross from the galley just in fron tof the FC seats.

User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
the copy on this CO ad regarding the introduction of the B707

The TV in that ad is way to thin to be a real TV. It's almost as thin as a modern LCD. TV's in 50's had long picture tubes, so the depth of the case would be as long as the width and heigth.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Does anyone remember the Movie BULLITT with Steve McQueen? It's the one with unforgetable chase with the 68 Mustang fastback after the Dodge Charger and those wild "jump"scenes.
Filmed in San Franciso, it has a 15-20 minute scene at the end at SFO.
Can you remember Steve as Frank Bullitt, in the PAN AM 707 looking for the bad guy...walking slowly down the aisle from F to Y? Remember the TV sets on the hat/coat racks as pointed out in an earlier post?
I can't remember if they were for TV programs or a movie.
I guess this one is worth research.
safe



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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

FWIW, in 1984 I was flying MEX-IAH on a CO DC-10 (I think it was a series -10).

While on the ground at MEX, we had a two hour delay while already onboard the aircraft and the flight attendants lowered the movie screens and turned the video projectors on, showing a live local TV channel (Mexico City's Channel 2, and the show was the morning talk show "Hoy Mismo").

While not in-flight live TV, it certainly was on-board live TV.

I guess they somehow picked the signal over the aircraft's VHF communications equipment. (The image had quite a lot of interference, BTW)

I'd never seen it before and I've never seen it again.


User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4920 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

How did the flight attendants explain this to the passengers when they asked about it? I am sure quite a few chose CO just for this feature. There must have been some dissapointment from the pax.

Can you imagine the seat pitch on these CO 707's of the time? Ah, you could stretch out!



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Quoting Worldflyer (Reply 18):
The ad states "television in the first class lounge. Cheers!

Yes THE lounge on the plane!



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
1996 - Live television premiered on a Delta Air Lines B767 to support the Atlanta Olympics.



Quoting BandA (Reply 12):
I am guessing then these TV's relied on Air signals which almost don't exist now lol... only 2 channels where I live and even those are only if you live close to or within the city.

Sometime in the late 80's, I'd have to look at old tickets to confirm the exact year, I flew on a UA DC-10 LAX-BOS where in the last half of the flight, they broadcast the Super Bowl on the monitors, picking up the different TV stations along the way. It didn't seem unusual, since the TV antenna at home when I was a kid could pickup stations 75 miles away or so with relative clarity.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
Can you remember Steve as Frank Bullitt, in the PAN AM 707 looking for the bad guy...walking slowly down the aisle from F to Y? Remember the TV sets on the hat/coat racks as pointed out in an earlier post?

I remember that, great flick!



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2594 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

I respectfully disagree. While VCR's indeed didn't exist, as VCR stands for video cassette recorders, video recorders with tape on reels were available since 1962. That's quite early into the sixties, isn't it?


User currently offlineWorldflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
Yes THE lounge on the plane!

Right - got it after I posted it - anyway, checked "Maverick" by Robert Serling and here's what it says:

"Every 707 was equipped with a radio-telephone so a Director of Passenger Service could call ahead for any special passenger service without interrupting flight-crew communications. An extra gimmick was a television set in the first-class lounge, a promotional scheme that never did work out because the jet flew too fast to pick up satisfactory pictures."


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

Perhaps not the VCR that sits in your home, but I assure they Video Cassette Recorder/Player in fact, did exist in the 1960s . . .

In fact, every television show I saw as a child in Southeast Alaska was played from a Video Cassette - said cassettes flown up from SEA to JNU (On AS or Western) and then on the SGY on a Grumman Goose.


25 Drinkstrolley : Is the blonde supposed to be Marilyn Monroe?
26 AeroWesty : I don't think she'd carry a handbag that big.
27 Indio66 : I certainly do, one of the best movies ever! Will have to go back and review that part of the film.
28 Dtwclipper : Thanks World for the answer.
29 Joeman : No wonder the the airlines survived in business.
30 Richierich : Just curious - how exactly did DL do this?
31 Drinkstrolley : Probably full of credit cards to pay for excess bags incase she had to fly FR all of a sudden............
32 Byronsterk : KLM Royal Dutch Airlines showed projector films in their Fokker aircraft throughout the 1930's.
33 WesternA318 : Flying between SLC and LAS might I add, the old KSL TV/Radio station was it.
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