Pulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
To my knowledge each of the above carriers has only made one visit to NZ. A TWA 707 to RNZAF Ohakea in 1966 with the LBJ entourage and a NWA 707 to Auckland in 1968 with South Korean President Park. Anyone got any information to the contrary? Thanks!
Oznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
Hi There
Search the photo data base. There is a TWA 707-331 shown at Auckland. I dont know how to do links.
[www.airliners.net/open.file0268618/M/]
Dave
I wonder if NW might someday give AKL a go and SYD another go with 787's?
After NW's last attempt at starting service to Australia, which was a financial disaster and even resulted in some minor political implications between Australia, Japan and the US, I doubt that NW will be back in the region any time soon.
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3950 times:
Wasnt the NW "disaster" as you called it due to NW carrying more Tokyo SYD pax (rather than US SYD through pax) than was allowed ?
If they have that right they might be back dont you think ? but unlikely to get it I guess.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
Quoting Parisien (Reply 6): Wasnt the NW "disaster" as you called it due to NW carrying more Tokyo SYD pax (rather than US SYD through pax) than was allowed ?
If they have that right they might be back dont you think ? but unlikely to get it I guess.
Aside from this issue, NW lost a lot of money on its South Pacific experiment.
Onedude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3937 times:
Quoting Parisien (Reply 6): Wasnt the NW "disaster" as you called it due to NW carrying more Tokyo SYD pax (rather than US SYD through pax) than was allowed ?
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5018 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7): Aside from this issue, NW lost a lot of money on its South Pacific experiment.
Not surprising when they flew 3 different routings with about 10 flights weekly total. I think with 787's they could make it work when they are out of chapter 11.
Nwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3762 times:
I would love to see NWA fly back to SYD. But, If NWA put a B787 on LAX-SYD it would loose money to QFs A380s. NWA's B787s are for rout that can't fill a B747-400, but too long of a flight for the A330.(IE JFK-NRT).
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
I thought NW actually did well on the Osaka/Sydney run but had to pull out because of the political controversy created between Japan and Australia. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but that was my recollection.
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 3586 times:
thanks OneDude youre right, its Osaka.
Kklfa737, indeed I read that NW did well on the Osaka-SYD but that was because they carried more japan originated pax that they were supposed to (only a pourcentage of japan originated pax was allowed on the flight, the rest was supposed to be US originated). so that did not sit well with others !
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2747 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
From memory, the only US airlines to have flown to New Zealand on a regular scheduled service have been PA, CO and UA, none of which fly here any more.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3180 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
AA last flew to AKL in 1992/93 timeframe.
Sorry, the dates seem wrong to me, I really dont think that AA was flying into AKL at any time during the 1990s, atleast not with its own aircraft (codeshare maybe?)
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17): Sorry, the dates seem wrong to me, I really dont think that AA was flying into AKL at any time during the 1990s, atleast not with its own aircraft (codeshare maybe?)
Not sure exactly what year they finished but I'm pretty sure it was in the 90s.
They used MD11s then
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2979 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19): I checked..........no MD11s to NZ, and not in the 1990s. AA flew a South Pacific network that included NZ in the 1970s/1980s......with 707-320Bs.
Can you imagine AA using 707's when Continental and NZ were using DC10's and PanAm were using 747's on US-NZ routes at the time?
Come on Kiwis, help me out here. No pics in the database.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2967 times:
I dont think that CO, PA and AA all flew to NZ at the same time........but if they did, it was for a very short period of time. PA flew with 707s, 747s and SPs until the UA deal. AA was at AKL from about 1975 until maybe 1979 or 1980 with 707s. And, CO showed up in AKL and Austalia in 1979 or 1980, first with DC10s and 747s were added after the PE merger where by CO got 747s back into their fleet......CO closed up its South Pacific system in the mid 1990s to my recollection.
I think that your timing is a bit off......thus you are imagining old AA 707s flying against the newer types, which was not the case.
If my memory is correct, back in the mid 1970s, AA went out and specially purchased a handful of the most advanced 707-320B, with lots of range, to specifically operate the South Pacific system.
767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2939 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21): AA was at AKL from about 1975 until maybe 1979 or 1980
I think AA only flew the 707s for a brief period in about 1972 and the then CAB withdrew their rights to fly to SYD and AKL in favour of PA. I recall some intense lobbying of the White House by PA.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2939 times:
Quoting 767ER (Reply 22):
I think AA only flew the 707s for a brief period in about 1972 and the then CAB withdrew their rights to fly to SYD and AKL in favour of PA. I recall some intense lobbying of the White House by PA.
Dont know about that, but there is a pic here at a.net of an AA 707 at MEL in 1975.
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21): I think that your timing is a bit off......thus you are imagining old AA 707s flying against the newer types, which was not the case.
Yeah I think my timing might be a bit twisted too Dutchjet. I hope it's not the age thing creeping up already. Hell I'm only 40.
Yes, CO did withdraw in the 90s. I flew them AKL-HNL in 1982 on a DC10-30.
Where did you find your info on AA flying to AKL. I've tried all sorts of searchs on the net.
25 Pulkovokiwi: American was at Auckland from 1969.I went to the launch party at The Hotel Intercontinental Auckland (owned by PanAm) as my dad was a journo at "The A
26 767ER: me too and no luck......i doubt AA ever flew the DC10s into AKL but I could be wrong. I do remember see AAs !0s in SYD in 1990.....that service died
27 NZ767: I did another search and came up with a history of AA. That site states that AA flew 747s to AKL before trading the Pacific routes for PA's Caribbean
28 767ER: I saw that too...I'm with you...they have got it confused!
29 ZK-NBT: AA definalty flew to AKL in the early 1990's with DC10-30's! DFW-HNL-AKL 3x weekly, the other days they flew DFW-HNL-SYD! I have a feeling they were h
30 Dutchjet: And how did you come to this conclusion........is there any source or reference that you discovered as I would be interested in taking a look. I find
31 MotorHussy: Love this shot of two PanAm and one TWA 707's in AKL in the 70's: Regards MH
32 ZK-NBT: Thats a cool shot MH! Saw them with my own eyes!
33 TWAtwaTWA: Nice one, MotorHussy Here is the matching photo from the database p.s. MotorHussy, I honeymooned in your country, and it was an absolutely amazing tr
34 NZ767: Wow, That's when the international wing was just to the west side of the present domestic (Air NZ) terminal. I remember seeing Pan Am and Qantas with
35 Pulkovokiwi: And occasionally we got a CPA DC8-63 which was something else way back then.
38 Pulkovokiwi: Pan Am had a crew base at AKL and flew Auckland-Nadi-Pago Pago return. I flew DC7C "Clipper Defender" to Pago Pago in January 1965 and it was magic. I
39 767ER: Yes agreed........PA was the first US airline to fly to New Zealand and had a long history until they pulled out when the, foolshily, sold their Sth
40 Antskip: Whenuapai was a wonderful airport in its last years. I used to go out there every now and then for a day's plane-spotting, with a camera. It was such
41 IsuA380B777: Thank you very much Pulkovokiwi and 767ER. The information you guys provided are very useful. You are correct. I live near by and think it is a great
42 NZ8800: Would you be able to post some of those photographs here on A.net Antskip? That would be fantastic! Counted 2 50's photos and 11 from the 60s for Whe
43 MotorHussy: I flew the NZ (or TE back then) version of this many times, one time, back in '72 very circuitously. CBR to SYD on a TN (TAA) 727 SYD to NAN on a PA/
44 Pulkovokiwi: Yes Whenuapai was great in the 6o's for spotting. Canadian Pacific Britannia,TAI DC4,Qantas DC4,Constellation and Electra. I remember TEAL/Air NZ had
45 Antskip: If I ever find them again in the family archives, of course I will. But I am not hopeful, I'm afraid.
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