LawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 18 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
Canjet and Harmony Airlines have announced a marketing partnership to transfer passengers between each others' systems at Toronto. Sounds interesting, but are they really the same? Have heard good things about Harmony, haven't heard much about Canjet.
Do you think this alliance will benefit either carrier? Could an alliance like this benefit LCCs in the United States or Europe?
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (7 years 16 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
Interesting. We are basically combining the two weakest airlines that concentrate on domestic travel (excluding some flights operated by Sunwing and Skyservice domestically). There are consistent rumours both airlines not doing very well, so we'll see what this means in the long-run.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
YYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 852 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 15 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
Quoting LawnDart (Thread starter): Have heard good things about Harmony, haven't heard much about Canjet.
I'm a fan of Canjet - fly'em all the time.
Basic service, but inexpensive, comfortable enough, reliable and very freindly.
As for a deal with Harmony, I can see how this could work out, given that Canjet is great for eastern Canada, whereas Harmony seems to do mostly YVR....
Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 1): are consistent rumours both airlines not doing very well, so we'll see what this means in the long-run.
Matt From Canada, joined May 1999, 679 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (7 years 13 hours ago) and read 2428 times:
Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 2): truly? I haven't heard that before...
I haven't heard that either!
I, too, am a CanJet fan. I fly them reguarly. Their fares are usually the best around (most often better than WestJet on similar routes). They are also doing more and more charter flying out of Atlantic Canada on behalf of tour operators Transat Holidays and Sunquest. I also have to add that their "new" 737-300s are more confortable than their 737-200s. The leather seats add a lot.
KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 13 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
thats great news!! both CanJet and Harmony are great Canadian airlines. I think YYZ would be a perfect ( and costly) hub where CanJet pax from the east and the US could transfer on to westbound HMY flights. If this deal is successful I bet we can see some additions to HMYs fleet, perhaps some more used B757s or even a B787 order.
PS. for some reason I remember a Canjet flight that flew to Halifax with at FL100 with no pressurization, am I correct or was it a different airline?
NiagaraFlyer From Canada, joined May 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 4): PS. for some reason I remember a Canjet flight that flew to Halifax with at FL100 with no pressurization, am I correct or was it a different airline?
Yeah I remember that too, I think it was a 732 coming from YYZ but I may be mistaken.
Also does anyone have the link to anything confirming this news between Harmony and Canjet?
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 2): truly? I haven't heard that before...
Just rumours of course, can't substantiate
I've heard mostly good about Canjet, mostly about their very friendly staff. I've only flown on the former Canjet, after the C3 merger though, so I can't comment on their current service levels.
I hope this works out well for both airlines though.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Challiday From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 88 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2153 times:
Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 6): I've heard mostly good about Canjet, mostly about their very friendly staff. I've only flown on the former Canjet, after the C3 merger though, so I can't comment on their current service levels.
The pre C3 Canjet is the Canjet that is running now, same owner and alot of the same employees.
Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 6): Also does anyone have the link to anything confirming this news between Harmony and Canjet?
Tennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2133 times:
A bit of an odd pairing that's for sure, but hey if it feeds passengers into each other's routes then it's got to be good for both Harmony and Canjet.
I'm a little skeptical of the schedule though. If you look at it, the frequencies aren't necessarily 7 days a week on all the routes and some of the connections are very long at T3. They would have to be pretty loyal Harmony/Canjet customers to NOT just book on WJ or AC.
Canjet consistently beats WestJet's prices on the east coast, say between YHZ and YYZ, often by very substantial margins by my experiences. I can imagine that the two airlines will be able to offer very competitive prices to AC and WJ for coast to coast trips. It would be nice to see some expanded fleets on both sides and this just might help things out a bit.
In the end, Canjet and Harmony aren't really offering much competition to Westjet, who serves all the rest of the airports in between YVR and YYZ, not to mention the southwest USA. I think this is great news.
Mkirch72 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 198 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
Any rumors of growth plans for Canjet? Specifically - flights to Florida. I live right next to PIE (St. Pete/Clearwater) and would love to have a direct flight to YOW. I have family just over the border in Massena, NY and YOW is the closest larger airport. Currently Canjet only has seasonal service out of PIE to Toronto.
About 40 minutes south is SRQ (Sarasota). Canjet DOES have a nonstop to Ottawa - but again, only seasonal and only once/week.
I'd love to give them a try but the frequency doesn't work for me (same with Westjet - only once/week from TPA to Toronto). Not to mention the fares on Air Canada are ridiculous.
I can partially relate. I live in London, Ontario and my hometown is Halifax, Nova Scotia. Westjet flies into London, but they only go west, not east. Sunwing is just starting direct service, which I hope to take advantage of at some point, and AC is horribly priced. You pay an extra $200 over Sunwing (or any flight out of YYZ two hours by car away, 40 minute flight) and you fly a DHC8 to YYZ or YOW first. I'd rather use AC because of the great frequency they have, but it's just not worth the money to me. I don't imagine Sunwing will keep up this service (YHZ-YXU-YVR) when the summer is out, so it would be nice for Canjet to fly to YXU from YHZ come winter time.
A332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
Well, I wish both airlines the best of luck... it is especially important for Canjet to try and get some kind of market share in the west, since they have been pretty lacklustre performers out here thus far.
In all honesty, I have looked to book airfare several times to YYZ where Canjet is only moderately cheaper.. and who wants to be cramped on a 735 with no comforts when WJ/AC offer a far more attractive package for a little more money...?
This is also the second time Canjet is going to attempt to make the YVR run profitable... let's hope it pans out!
I took a flight on Royal/C3000 just as the merger was taking place with Canjet too. Flew a Canjet 732 from YHZ to YYZ and a Royal 757 from YYZ to YVR. It was very nice, great price, free drinks and a meal on the 757, times worked out quite well. I would be more than willing to give the same service a try the second time around, as I hear Harmony tries to treat their customers a touch nicer than AC (meals on their YVR service, it's something).
Challiday From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 88 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
Quoting A332 (Reply 15): This is also the second time Canjet is going to attempt to make the YVR run profitable
Canjet did try the run toward the end of last year but it was "seasonal". From my understanding the loads were not the problem but lack of air craft that caused Canjet to rethink about the route.
Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 12):
Indeed - they do have 1 -300 though (C-FHGE), with rumours of one or two more to come.
Heard that rumour myself but they're having trouble finding used 737-300's and 500's.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 964 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting Tennisace (Reply 10):
I'm a little skeptical of the schedule though. If you look at it, the frequencies aren't necessarily 7 days a week on all the routes and some of the connections are very long at T3. They would have to be pretty loyal Harmony/Canjet customers to NOT just book on WJ or AC.
I have to agree with ya there as looking at the schedules this agreement between HQ/C6 doesnt leave very much room unless either of them skew their schedules to allow for more connecting opportunities.
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From YVR-YYZ-Atlantic Canada only offers a handful of connecting opportunities: I'm being pretty generous with the connecting times as well.
YVR-YYZ
09 May 06-30 Apr 07 1234567 HQ228 1430-2200
06 Jun 06-27 Oct 06 123.5.. HQ212 0800-1530
28 Jun 06-30 Apr 07 12345.6 HQ216 2345-0715
YYZ-YVR
09 May 06-30 Apr 07 1234567 HQ213 0825-1030
06 Jun 06-27 Oct 06 123.5.. HQ219 1625-1835
28 Jun 06-30 Apr 07 12345.7 HQ217 2300-0105+1
But I have a feeling one of the two will either skew times to be more passenger connecting friendly. Though I think they should wait until their interline baggage agreements kicks in... as from the C6 Website under the Harmony Q&A Page (http://www.canjet.com/en_faqs.aspx?ID=12) Question 13 states:
13. Do passengers have to pick up their luggage in Toronto and check into the connecting flight?
CanJet and Harmony are currently working out the details for interline baggage. Further information will be posted when it becomes available.
Harmony and Canjet seems like a strange partnership.
From my experiences, Harmony offers a fairly decent full service economy class, superior to Air Canada domestic service. Canjet is fairly basic service, but decent.
Harmony has many YVR routes, so perhaps Canjet can give them greater eastern access.
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Irobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 20): Harmony has many YVR routes, so perhaps Canjet can give them greater eastern access.
This seems to be the biggest/only-good reason for Harmony to sign on
Didn't Canjet also go to Winnipeg? Their current map at www.canjet.com doesn't show it anymore. Also, their map is colored rather oddly. It looks at first glance that the blue indicates where they fly to. But the only province out west they serve (aside from Hamony codesharing) is Alberta at the moment... so are they just coloring all of Canada just for the hell of it?
Kind of in February 2005 but they only connected Winnipeg to Florida and only as a seasonal route, they didn't connect it to their Canadian route network.
Quoting Irobertson (Reply 21): so are they just coloring all of Canada just for the hell of it?
Yes, yes they are.....
And more news from Canjet:
CanJet and Government of Canada Sign Air Travel Agreement
CanJet Airlines is pleased to announce it has entered into an agreement with the Government of Canada which will result in substantial air travel savings for the federal government and increased business for CanJet.
Julie. N. Gossen, CanJet Airlines Executive Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, said, “Our airline is thrilled to enter into this agreement and we look forward to meeting the air travel requirements of personnel employed by the Government of Canada.”
DFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Glad to see Canjet solidifying its position in the marketplace.
I take a different view on the whole topic. While CanJet and Harmony seem to currently be positioning themselves as an East-West connector. In the future (way far down in the future), I see Harmony focusing on internationals and long-hauls with CanJet operating the domestic services. So what we would have is CanJet feeding Harmony flights out of YVR, YYZ and maybe even YYC. We already know that Harmony is looking at Asia.
Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 20): From my experiences, Harmony offers a fairly decent full service economy class, superior to Air Canada domestic service. Canjet is fairly basic service, but decent.
Much like the AC Jazz & AC relationship, services between connecting airlines do not have to be consistent although it is better for the consumer and helps airlines to build brand loyalty. What CanJet and Harmony are both missing are a frequent flyer program.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 964 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1640 times:
Quoting Irobertson (Reply 21): Didn't Canjet also go to Winnipeg? Their current map at www.canjet.com doesn't show it anymore. Also, their map is colored rather oddly. It looks at first glance that the blue indicates where they fly to. But the only province out west they serve (aside from Hamony codesharing) is Alberta at the moment... so are they just coloring all of Canada just for the hell of it?
CanJet flew a service from YWG I believe to MCO or SRQ, I forgot which one it was but I know it was some FL destination. Anyone care to shed light?
25 Jayce: Dforce, if indeed you are correct, what do you think the odds are of an eventual merger between the two?
26 Challiday: Just incase you missed it two posts above yours http://www.canjet.com/en_view_press_release.aspx?NewsID=76
27 Captaingomes: In fact, Harmony have excellent on-board service. If schedules are fares are acceptable, I highly recommend them. I only flew them once, and they kin
28 DFORCE1: I think it is extremely difficult to predict a merger at this point as it is so far fetched. Without truly knowing the financial situation of either
29 RicardoFG: HQ is doing very well with its partnership with China Eastern. The YVR-YYZ route is for the most part transfer pax of China Eastern. HQ have long been
30 YOW: That was a -200 doing a YYZ-YHZ run. That flight was a PR nightmare for CanJet. It was perfectly safe to operate the aircraft unpressurized at FL100.
31 MD90fan: They (HQ) seem like a nice Canadian niche carrier, maybe my favorite one. I hope they grow strong and make alot of money I wasnt aware Voyageur had an
32 YOW: Until this agreement happened, they didn't. Voyageur are more known for their Dash 7s.
33 RyGuy: I think that they should try to attract business people trying to get the hop between YYZ and YUL!! then i would be on it 100% Very competitive pricin
34 Aeroplan73: Yes, I think that is something they should both consider. Not that I am a fan of Aeroplan or anything mind you.
35 YYZYYT: Can't speak for Harmony, but Canjet does have a very good reward program: 6 one-way flights and the 7th is free. And much less stupid red tape than o
36 DFORCE1: Well there goes my theory about CanJet being the regional feeder into Harmony..... Looks like Collins has announced that they are looking at regional
37 Voodoo: Some armchair CEO-ing given Air Canada uncertainty on YYT-LHR.: Harmony 757 LHR-YYT-YYC-YYT-LHR. Canjet feeding Eastbound at YYT, collecting Westbound
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