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Lukashenko Threatens To Ban Overflights  
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5651 posts, RR: 20
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

MINSK (Reuters) - President Alexander Lukashenko suggested on Tuesday that he might ban Western overflights of Belarus in response to sanctions against his former Soviet state in connection with his disputed re-election.

"Let them fly over the Baltic states or Ukraine. We ought to close the main route through," Lukashenko told parliament in his annual state of the nation address.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/23052006/32...nko-threatens-ban-overflights.html



Hey, no loss there comrade Alexander.  Yeah sure I'm sure the Baltic countries and/or Ukraine won't mind additional income from increased air traffic.

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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

How much of an effect will this have on European airlines? Those are the ones who would bicker the most, how used are routes over Belarus?

What's next? Sprinkle Chernobyl dust?


User currently offlinePDXflyer31 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

That would really affect some high density routes, such as WAW-SVO and PRG-SVO. The latter is a pretty high frequency route for both CSA and Aeroflot, and goes directly over the middle of Belarus. It would definitely add some significant distance, probably a couple hundred miles to route the flights to the north or south.

I flew CSA on the PRG-SVO-PRG route just a couple of years ago, kind of weird thinking it might have to be a longer flight all of a sudden.


User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

What if an airliner was flying with a fighter escort over there? Wouldn't it help?

 Wink


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

It will be even more strange when the CSA flight PRG-SVO takes half an hour longer than the Aeroflot flight...

User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Under agreement Belarus FIR extend 1 mile all around into there neighbour countries.


There's alot of main routes from North to South that cross Belarus FIR.

A Big Loss to Belarus Finances if this does happen.



Remember: The Bird Hit You, You Didn't Hit The Bird.....
User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

VIE-SVO, MUC-SVO as well.
its routed directly over Minsk, which gives a nice sight during the night. But if that bloke cant help it, let him have his way.



I exchanged political frustration with sexual boredom. better spoil a girl than the world
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Yeah, that's really gonna show the West, breaking aviation bilaterals  Yeah sure . I'm sure some airlines will have to reroute their flights, but I seriously doubt that other than that this threat will have any effect at all, let alone force the EU and others to be more friendly towards Lukashenko.

User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Lukashenko is a loud-mouthed malcontent, someone who punches above his weight. When his finance minister tell how much it's going to cost him, he'll see the light. It's all smoke.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Lukashenko is a moron, as it will be another significant financial hit. Their economy is basically being subsidized by Russia, which provides low cost energy. He wasn't very cooperative with Russia, so if they set up market gas prices for him, his country goes down.

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Reply 3):
What if an airliner was flying with a fighter escort over there? Wouldn't it help?

Don't be silly. If this idea will actually be implemented, then you should be put onboard of either the escort fighter or the airliner that is being escorted. I want to see your facial expression when you will hear a warning of incoming SA missiles.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):
Yeah, that's really gonna show the West, breaking aviation bilaterals Yeah sure

Well, actually, western countries broke agreements first, as a sign that they did not accept his government:

Quote:
Lukashenko's latest comment was almost certainly in response to last month's refusal by Canada and the United States to refuel a plane carrying Belarus's prime minister to and from Cuba.


User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 8):
When his finance minister tell how much it's going to cost him, he'll see the light.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Lukashenko went from raising cows to runing the country, and he filled all key government positions with morons from his village. So it's not like the finance minister is any smarter than him.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
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Quoting Joost (Reply 10):

Well, actually, western countries broke agreements first, as a sign that they did not accept his government:

And a good thing too. Somebody needs to get that guy out of there and let Belarus enjoy some prosperity and growth that its neighbors are experiencing. Ugh, I shudder with anger when I read about that man.

(As an aside, I did fly Belavia once in 2002. It actually wasn't too bad [except for the food], I flew on a Tu-134 WAW-MSQ and back. Flights were very smooth and comfortable.)

I agree, this is all smoke. The last thing Lukashenko wants to do is give the EU/US another reason to put on pressure. He's better off if he stays quiet and not really piss off the big guys. If it weren't for Russia, I'm sure he would have been "removed" by now.


User currently offlineSaturn5 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

I don't think it will be a big deal to bypass Belarus. It is not a huge country like China or Russia. You will have to re-plan some routes (and not simply go 'around" Belarus) but it should not add significant distance.
Lukashenko is an idiot. Let him brew in his own sauce.


User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I've just read that the ban is only for USA and Canada, that has denied Belarussian state airplane a fuel stop some time ago. Are there any US/Canadian routes at all going over there?

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5651 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Reply 14):
I've just read that the ban is only for USA and Canada,

I think the reason is what Cloud mentioned earlier. Banning (I presume not too frequent) flights of Canadian and US a/c from the airspace of Belarus will make him look "tough" without losig the income from the overflights of European a/c.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 8):
When his finance minister tell how much it's going to cost him, he'll see the light.


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2260 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

I read something about this guy on landings.com....he's a nutcase. I feel bad for anyone living in that country. Noty mentioning his wackiness, banning US and Canadian overflights would make the country lose money in fee's and taxes. The guy's an idiot.


ATCT



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Reply 14):
I've just read that the ban is only for USA and Canada, that has denied Belarussian state airplane a fuel stop some time ago. Are there any US/Canadian routes at all going over there?

So really, the only flight that would be forced to reroute at all, even if just 50-100 miles, would be DL's JFK-KBP service. Yeah, 1 flight, that is really gonna show the US and Canada  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
How much of an effect will this have on European airlines? Those are the ones who would bicker the most, how used are routes over Belarus?

The ban will only apply to US and Canadian airlines.

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat....l/arkistot/ulkomaat/2006/05/447543

is a source for this (in Finnish).

Anyway Lukashenka is effectively dictatorial and I sort of agree with these sanctions imposed on him and his assistants.


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