MERLIN From India, joined Mar 2006, 70 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14253 times:
hello every one, was going across some incidents which took place and i came across this shocking CVR data of FedEx flight 705. Please forgive if this was posted already...
JohnJ From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1287 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13981 times:
This incident could very possibly have provided some inspiration for the 9/11 attacks. Apparently Calloway intended to ram the DC-10 into the FedEx SuperHub in Memphis, which would have been devastating to say the least.
On a side note: when did FedEx change its ATC call sign from "Express" to "FedEx"? I worked at FedEx in MEM back in the mid-1980s and remember the callsign being "Express" back then.
Newark777 From United States, joined Dec 2004, 8796 posts, RR: 41 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13939 times:
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 3):
On a side note: when did FedEx change its ATC call sign from "Express" to "FedEx"? I worked at FedEx in MEM back in the mid-1980s and remember the callsign being "Express" back then.
Probably around the same time they changed the logo from Federal Express to FedEx. FedEx didn't like the term FedEx for a long time, but finally caved since everyone called them that anyway.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18424 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13828 times:
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 4): FedEx didn't like the term FedEx for a long time, but finally caved since everyone called them that anyway.
They changed the company name when they bought Roadway and started FedEx Ground. It didn't make sense to have Federal Express Ground and Federal Express Express, since both were confusing. So they have FedEx Ground and FedEx Express now. Which are actually 2 entirely different operations under the same umbrella.
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Indeed, it was re-enacted as part of their Air Crash Investigations series. The manoeuvers that the flight crew put that DC-10 through were quite extraordinary. One of the pilots realised that, since all three crew were incapacitated to some degree, he would have to use the aircraft as a 'weapon' to help his colleagues as they were struggling to hold down their attacker, throwing it around, nosediving, hard rolls; at one point, if I recall correctly, the aircraft was at something like 150 degrees over! At another point, the controlling pilot put the plane into a full throttle dive, maxing out the airspeed indicator.
If you can somehow get hold of the programme, I'd recommend it, as it was a very good re-enactment of a truly ghastly event.
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SJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13705 times:
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 4): Probably around the same time they changed the logo from Federal Express to FedEx. FedEx didn't like the term FedEx for a long time, but finally caved since everyone called them that anyway.
That is because you have never seen the hidden arrow in their logo name. Once you see the hidden arrow, you gotta like the name. I thinks its some kind of subliminal message. Go ahead and stare at it for awhile if you have never seen it and it will jump out at you. (off topic I know)
Well, let's see - hijack a jetliner, fly it into a building with the intention of creating as much death and destruction as possible. I guess now that you mention I don't see the connection between this and 9/11 either.
Symphonik From United States, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13614 times:
Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 11): That is because you have never seen the hidden arrow in their logo name. Once you see the hidden arrow, you gotta like the name. I thinks its some kind of subliminal message. Go ahead and stare at it for awhile if you have never seen it and it will jump out at you. (off topic I know)
I remember laughing my ass off when I first saw that. Think of how many times in a week each of us probably see that logo, and how many times that arrow has gone unnoticed.
Symphonik From United States, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13561 times:
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 12): Well, let's see - hijack a jetliner, fly it into a building with the intention of creating as much death and destruction as possible. I guess now that you mention I don't see the connection between this and 9/11 either.
But to say it was an inspiration. Ugh. Sheesh.
His intent wasn't just wanton death and destruction, anyway. This guy was about to lose his job, so he wanted to crash into the FedEx hub to both shut down FedEx (payback) and cause an accident which would have paid life insurance to his family.
Somehow, I doubt Osama bin Laden found "inspiration" from this. Ugh.
JohnJ From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1287 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13494 times:
Perhaps inspiration was a poor choice of words. But the circumstances are so similar that I've often wondered if the FedEx incident might have at least given the 9/11 terrorists the idea that such a brazen act was possible. I don't think Calloway came particularly close to his intended goal of wiping out the SuperHub, but he did stand a good chance of taking down the DC-10. If there had been 2-3 others onboard that plane with the same intentions as him, the outcome might have been much different.
In any event, if you do a Google search on FedEx 705 9/11 you'll find a lot of web sites that claim this incident should have at least planted in the minds of U.S. officials that using an airplane as a weapon would be possible. I can't imagine OBL wouldn't have been likewise influenced.
Symphonik From United States, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13445 times:
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 15): If there had been 2-3 others onboard that plane with the same intentions as him, the outcome might have been much different.
In any event, if you do a Google search on FedEx 705 9/11 you'll find a lot of web sites that claim this incident should have at least planted in the minds of U.S. officials that using an airplane as a weapon would be possible.
Fair enough.
Regardless of its circumstances, if he had managed to pull it off, it would have been disastrous. I can't believe those pilots all lived, and managed to get the plane on the ground safely. I'm not so sure I'd be able to do the same with hammer blows to the head!
JohnJ From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1287 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13378 times:
Quoting Symphonik (Reply 16): Regardless of its circumstances, if he had managed to pull it off, it would have been disastrous. I can't believe those pilots all lived, and managed to get the plane on the ground safely. I'm not so sure I'd be able to do the same with hammer blows to the head!
Those pilots truly are heroes, and theirs was an amazing story.
JohnJ From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1287 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13311 times:
Used to be all FedEx employees enjoyed cockpit jumpseat privileges as one of the perks of the job - you could go anywhere you wanted for free as long as there was space available. I sorted packages in the MEM hub in the summer of 1985, and missed being able to jumpseat by about a week. You had to have three months under your belt before being eligible for jumpseating, and I had to get back to college. I know FedEx suspended jumpseat privileges for rank-and-file employees, and I believe this incident had a lot to do with that. They recently reinstated limited jumpseating, but that term is a misnomer. These days you can only ride in wide-body aircraft that have a row or two of airline-style seats behind the cockpit, not in the cockpit jumpseat itself.
MERLIN From India, joined Mar 2006, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13196 times:
Thanks for the response indeed this is one of the craziest stuff i cud ever imagine...
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 17): Those pilots truly are heroes, and theirs was an amazing story
Very true they did a hell of a job. Boy cud you trust u r own company worker,this story just tells that...I hope osama doesnt have eyes on r forum...lol.
Merlin
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Jamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13147 times:
Has anyone seen the Air crash investigation on this?
I have and watching it on there, it is simply amazing how with hammer blows to the head, serious blood loss etc they still managed to hold down this crazed suicider and land the aircraft while it was near its MTOW!
Amazing!
Rgds --James--
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Adriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1064 posts, RR: 22 Reply 25, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12931 times:
Indeed, what these heroic pilots did was a remarkable display of courage and airmanship. At the time, nobody even imagined a DC10 (or a FP for that matter!!) could withstand some of the maneuvers of that crazy day. For Sanders, Tucker and Peterson.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7): So they have FedEx Ground and FedEx Express now. Which are actually 2 entirely different operations under the same umbrella.
You may want to add FedEx Trade Networks, FedEx Home Delivery, FedEx Custom Critical, FedEx Freight and FedEx|Kinko's to that list. FedEx Express continues to be the largest of those operating companies.
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 19): I know FedEx suspended jumpseat privileges for rank-and-file employees, and I believe this incident had a lot to do with that.
Not quite. Jumpseating benefits were suspended as a direct result from 9/11 and NTSB and FAA directives.
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26 Nosedive: Or if Calloway was supposed to be the FE on Flt705. The night before, Calloway, a rather large man, and his FO and Capt clocked in at the superhub at
27 AR385: He lucked out. He was supposed to fly as an FE on that flight and the crew included a tiny woman as FO. Last minute FEDEX changed the crew. If they ha
29 Wjcandee: It used to be that if you went to look up the FAA incident report on this, it would refer you to the FBI, and provided no other information. Chilling.
30 BaylorAirBear: I'm wondering if they were referring to the bad guy's clothing, as in "goat roper" meaning country and western. BAB
31 Wjcandee: It's a military term. It's roughly analogous to "cluster f---". A disorganized mess.
32 EMBQA: Well, it happened over 12 years ago so I'd say this is beyond old news. More shocking is the actual ATC audio tapes. I forgot where I found those.
33 Rob878: The Guy wanted and insurance settlement for his family, he was abou to lose his job with fedex and wanted it to seem like an accident. He was supposed
34 Pacific: Amazing reading...these crews really are heroes. It's a shame they're injured permanently due to one madman. Surprised that the DC-10 didn't break up
35 Newark777: If he wanted it to appear like an accident, didn't he think the NTSB investigators would notice a spear gun in the cockpit? Especially if a spear is l
36 Dennism: You can actually listen to the ATC tape with 705 on airdisaster.com under the CVR tabs...2 downloads. http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/atcwav.shtml[Edit
37 AndrewUber: Absolutely a horrific event - Thank God it ended with no fatalities. The guy is now rotting in prison with no chance of parole. This is the aircraft i
38 Rob878: That is what i got from a program on the discovery channel which mad a one hour program on that flight. He wanted the insurance money for his family
39 J.mo: Actually 9/11 shut down the jumpseat privilege. I flew in the cockpit a few times in a 727 between SLC and OAK in the late 90's. My buddy, that still
40 BristolFlyer: I saw the Discovery special about it and was amazed at the heroism & skill of the pilots in such terrible (and terrifying) circumstances. My other tho
41 Pilot3033: I seem to remember reading/hearing about an event back in the 60s just about the time metal detectors started showing up in airports where a man hell
42 Newark777: Here's the background on the man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Byck And the Sean Penn movie based on the incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T
43 Woosie: Yup - this was pre-SFAR 92 (the fortified cockpit door special FAR). Justice was served.
44 Wjcandee: Well...you ask why airlines like FedEx LOVE the DC10? This is one reason why: like most Douglas products, it was built like a tank. For all the negat
45 MERLIN: Indeed.withstanding overstress for a considerable amount of time after all those maneuver... definately. well we get to learn a lot from these incide
46 Pilot3033: Thanks. Got my years off too it looks like.
47 MERLIN: this incident with respect to the flight 705 is kinda similiar...involving 2 lunatics and the poor pilots..what actually makes me feel about the 705
48 KiwiTEAL: Says heaps for the DC-10's capabilities, considering someone in the last few days was running them down as "un-tested" deathtraps (can't remember the
49 Aeroplan73: About a month ago, Discovery or TLC aired a re-enactment of the events. I believe the special was called 'Hijacked' or something. It was quite graphi
50 Boeing727flyer: There is a book that tells tells of the whole history of this. Calloway lied on his CV and was about to be fired so he bought life insurance and disme
51 Tjwgrr: And Wired had the nerve to criticize the DC-10...... http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2783761/6/#ID2783761
52 MERLIN: on wonder they got the name weird on...lol
53 Oly720man: Terrifying story. Terrible that they all ended their careers because of this, especially because it was Calloway's career that was going to end. And h
54 A320ajm: Did you know that none of the pilots involved in the incident can fly because of their head injuries. There is a chance they can have seizures. It was
55 Americanairfan: Wow yeah I've read the writings about this flight. Very terrifying! Luckily it was stopped without a tragedy to more people than the flight crew.
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