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13 H Flight With A A-321! (+ 1 Fuel Stop)  
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

Apollo, a swedish tour operator owned by Kuoni, will use a A-321 with 199 seats from Stockholm and Copenhagen via Las Palmas to Recife (Brazil).
That must be a record for a A-321. Or not? I am sure we have the best knowledge about this question among other A.net users!  smile 

Stockholm-Arlanda 061207 23:55 Recife 061208 09:05 Novair NVR753 A-321 via Las Palmas/Gran Canaria

Recife 061215 10:05 Stockholm-Arlanda 061216 02:20 Novair NVR752 A-321 via Las Palmas/Gran Canaria

http://ksb.apollo.se/cgi-bin/bokning...N&p-static=true&p-ort=PGA&p-resl=7

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User currently offlineNijltje From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

wow, I don't want to be on that plane.....

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

I don't know the absolute records, but Malev is doing a similar thing by sending 737-800s from BUD to BKK:


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Apollo, a swedish tour operator owned by Kuoni, will use a A-321 with 199 seats from Stockholm and Copenhagen via Las Palmas to Recife (Brazil).
That must be a record for a A-321. Or not? I am sure we have the best knowledge about this question among other A.net users!

The LPA-REC segement is 4510km long. Only BA's LHR-THR with 4424km comes close, but that's, in case of the THR-LHR leg, from a hot airport and maybe faces more headwind.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

BUD - BKK is 8235 km...

Woow, that´s quite a long haul with 738.

Micke//SWE  Smile



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

I remember the Swiss charter airline"Hello" was planning to do ZRH - Mombassa on an MD-90 probably with a stop somewhere in Egypt... I don't know if they ever did it though..


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9278 times:
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Spanair has flown last year an Madrid-Aqaba-Goa flight operated with A321. The stop in Aqaba was to leave passengers and to refuel the aircraft.

Stockholm - Las Palmas = 2685 miles, 4321 kilometers and 2333 nautic miles
Las Palmas - Recife = 2803 miles, 4511 kilometers and 2436 nautic miles

Madrid - Aqaba = 2298 miles, 3698 kilometers and 1997 nautic miles
Aqaba - Goa = 2483 miles, 3996 kilometers and 2158 nautic miles.

But remember the Nouvelair flight from TUN to YMQ this winter...

Tunis - Reykjavik = 2308 miles, 3714 kilometers annd 2006 nautic miles
Reykjavik - Montreal = 2339 miles, 3764 kilometers and 2032 nautic miles

You're right. Is the longest flight operated with 321 equipment.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

ARN-LPA-REC = 8847 km and I think it's would be, indeed, the record for an A320/A321.

Last year, Nouvelair Tunisie used an A320 on TUN-KEF-YUL, which is 7467 km.


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In the 90s, French charter AIR LIBERTE used a Md-83 to fly ORY-IST-DXB-CMB, which is 8541 km long.


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Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Malev is doing a similar thing by sending 737-800s from BUD to BKK:

BUD-BKK is 8235 km . but a B738 needs a minimum of 1 stop to operate such a flight, if not 2 stp.


User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Apollo, a swedish tour operator owned by Kuoni, will use a A-321 with 199 seats from Stockholm and Copenhagen via Las Palmas to Recife (Brazil).
That must be a record for a A-321. Or not? I am sure we have the best knowledge about this question among other A.net users!

Not a coincidence that this is for Scandinavian charter tourists. 30 minutes in the air, and everybody is so drunk that they won't notice anything Big grin



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

@ CPH757

"and everybody is so drunk that they won´t notice anything"

You are SOO right!

Micke//SWE  rotfl 



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9160 times:
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199 seats in an A321 means that they have 32 inch pitch seat spacing... that's one more inch than most legacy carriers have on their long-haul 767, 777, 744, 330 and 340.

I have flown QF B744 SYD-LAX nonstop (14 hours) with 31 inches to feast on... it was okay, too.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 10):
199 seats in an A321 means that they have 32 inch pitch seat spacing... that's one more inch than most legacy carriers have on their long-haul 767, 777, 744, 330 and 340.

True. 199 seats in an A321 single Y Class is not too bad, especially for a charter. It would even be better than being squeezed onboard a B757 or B767 with a 29 inches seat pitch.
Just hope they'll have a decent IFE for such a long journey.


User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 4):
BUD - BKK is 8235 km...

Woow, that�s quite a long haul with 738.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
BUD-BKK is 8235 km . but a B738 needs a minimum of 1 stop to operate such a flight, if not 2 stp.

They go through DXB. They have three flights a week during winter to BKK. Two are with 767-200 and just one is with 738.



Tom from Cologne
User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

Aren't people forgetting a little thing called ETOPS? To operate on this routing across the south atlantic the 321 operator/aircraft/engine combo has to be approved for 120mins ETOPS according to the great cirlce mapper website. Has this actually been done for the A321 yet or are route proving trials being carried out at present?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 13):
Has this actually been done for the A321 yet or are route proving trials being carried out at present?

Airbus received a 180 minutes ETOPS approval for A320 Family aircraft last April 28.

http://stagev4.airbus.com/en/pressce...04_Airbus_receives_180_minute.html


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Last year, Nouvelair Tunisie used an A320 on TUN-KEF-YUL, which is 7467 km.

Did that service ever operate? I remember it being advertised but I don't recall seeing any photos of Nouvelair in Montreal. I could, however, be mistaken.



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User currently offlineMaperrin From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Brazilian Presidential A319 (Corporate jetliner) has crossed Atlantic several times.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting Maperrin (Reply 16):
Brazilian Presidential A319 (Corporate jetliner) has crossed Atlantic several times.

But that what it is designed for.

This is not the case for a "normal" A321.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

Novair will also use A-321 between Scandinavia and Goa, India, With one fuelstop in each direction.

And TUI Scandinavia will use a 757-200 to the Caribbean this coming winter season. Also with one fuelstop in each direction.

I remember that Sterling used a 727-200 with 189 seats (that is MAX!) from Scandinavia to Colombo and Male (Maldives) via Larnaca and Sharjah.

Conair used A-320 from Scandinavia to Miami via Reykjavik and Gander.

Air Finland use 757-200 from Stockholm to Venezuela via Azores

BUT AS ALWAYS; You get what you pay for!!!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 18):
BUT AS ALWAYS; You get what you pay for!!!

Yep, good point.......remember, these flights are sold as part of holiday packages, the pax has no choice as to their flights. Its 14 nights in whatever destination, pick the hotel, and air and transfers are included. Only when the details of the trip are finalized and distributed to the pax do they realize that they are on a flight with one or more technical stops for fuel, and only when they arrive at the airport are they surprised with a small aircraft for a very long flight.

That being said, the A321 sounds more comfortable that most European charter flights on widebody airlines (9 abreast A330s and 8 abreast 767s are the norm here.....a standard 6 abreast A32X is rather confortable) and 32 inches of pitch in nothing to complain about either. Maybe this is not such a bad deal after all.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8594 times:
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A Novair 199-seat A321 sounds much better than the 9-abreast Y seats @ 29" pitch on the 360-seat A332 that MYT has been flying to Brazil with a fuel stop at TFS...


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User currently offlineGeebs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

Didn't Carnival fly to KEF? or am I wrong?

And didn't Alaska used to fly MD-80s to Russia?

Im probably wrong on both accounts


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting Geebs (Reply 21):
And didn't Alaska used to fly MD-80s to Russia?

They did, routes to Siberia, the services lasted for a few years, but the stage lengths were not that long as the flights departed out of ANC.


User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Dutchbird used to have flights from Amsterdam to Colombo using a 752 with a stop in the Middle East if I'm not mistaken and HV had flights from Amsterdam to Kathmandu with a stop in Sjarjah when they still had the 752.
If I recall correctly either Dutchbird or HV had also flights to Brazil with a 752 with a stop in the Canaries.
All very long flights with a narrow-body.

Sander



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 23):
Dutchbird used to have flights from Amsterdam to Colombo using a 752 with a stop in the Middle East if I'm not mistaken and HV had flights from Amsterdam to Kathmandu with a stop in Sjarjah when they still had the 752.
If I recall correctly either Dutchbird or HV had also flights to Brazil with a 752 with a stop in the Canaries.
All very long flights with a narrow-body.

Sander

European charter carriers do use medium haul aircraft on some long range routes.....if an mid-flight fuel stop is not an issue, then you can take 757s and A320s to some far off places!

Werent the AMS-Forteleza, Brasil flights with Air Holland?


25 Ikramerica : That statement really shows how the 747 changed the industry, no? It created an expectation that long range flights be flown with a widebody, and eve
26 Post contains links BA Pilot : Check out BMED! A BA Franchise. www.flybmed.com Your could find yourself on a A320 12 hours (with 1 tech stop!).
27 TristarSteve : And Pan Am used to fly round the world witha B707. Can you beat that? Anyway, a now defunct Swedish airline Transwede used to fly ARN to FLL with two
28 Edina : IIRC Sterling a/w used to operate transatlantic charters with Caravelles & 727s with a couple of stops.
29 Post contains images HBIHLtoEZE : The predecessor of today's EasyJet Switzerland, TEA Switzerland, used to fly to Brazil (I think it was Recife, too) as well, with Boeing 737-300s...wi
30 Leskova : The norm? Certainly isn't the case here in Germany: DE operates its B767s with 7 abreast, LT operates its A330s with 8 abreast - unfortunately LT has
31 BMED : What are they doing for crew on these flights as the A321 doesn't have a crew rest area and I thought crew had to have 2 hours horizontal rest on a fl
32 CityAirline : ...and GOT-HKT via middle east. This was last winter, don't know if they will do it next winter again. //Alex
33 Matt : There's a change of crew at the refueling stop.
34 Tg 747-300 : I assume they have one crew change at the fuelstop in each direction, and maybe also at the destination. tg 747-300
35 Cedarjet : Lauda also flew 737s to Colombo and Male, with a fuel stop in DXB. I'd love to do a really long flight in a small jet, in fact I have thought of flyin
36 Dutchjet : As I am sure that you know, German and Dutch holiday carriers tend to be a bit more human with their seating layouts than other European charter carr
37 Post contains images Leskova : It'd be interesting to know in which countries the higher density layouts actually are used - I know it's the case in the UK, but what about other co
38 ORDagent : My thoughts exactly. I have flown USA3000 320's from ORD to AUA and ANU. One a couple of the flights the aircraft were JMC subleases and on others we
39 Post contains links and images A342 : Which route would that be ? View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank Kronbert Not anymore ! I think they also fly to LCY on behalf of SK now.
40 Post contains images TS-IOR : Correction for FlySSC, Nouvelair didn't use an A320 on its planned TUN-YUL route, and the service hasn't started yet, and again the A320 range is long
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