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Routing Of Singapore Airlines SQ20  
User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Hi Guys

New member to a.net.

Having been a reader of the topics for so long I thought I may join in the discussions.

Just a quick one, tried a search on this but could not find anything

What is the flight path of SQ20 from Singapore to LA?

I am heading on the mammoth journey in August and just wondering would I be crossing the North Pole on my travels or will it be straight over the pacific?

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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

No, it goes just south of the North Pole (over Alaska I believe). It's the SIN-EWR flight which goes non-stop and over the North Pole.

User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Kaitak744

Many Thanks for the info

Must make sure I have plenty of film in the Camera.

Could be lucky to get a nice few photos

JWMD123


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
No, it goes just south of the North Pole (over Alaska I believe)

In general, the flight will take the route on The Great Circle Mapper (and it's in general..there are probably places where it does not have overfly rights etc). The Great Circle Mapper puts the track well south of Alaska. And of course, the exact route also takes jetstreams into account...if the jetstream allows the flight to arrive earlier, but is off the Great Circle route, then the plane will take that route.

Here is link for the Great Circle route:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=S...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

Here is the link for where the jetstream is, click on the left hand map and you will eventually work out where the jetstream is strongest:
http://virga.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html


EDIT: And a warm welcome to A.net

[Edited 2006-05-25 09:59:40]

User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Superhub

Thanks for the further info.

On a side note, does anyone know what the loads on like on this flight around the end of August.

The reason I ask is that I am booked on exec economy (2pax) and was hoping to maybe chance my arm and get an upgrade to Raffles class. I don't mind paying if neccessary but I wonder would they charge 'full whack' for an upgrade. I have a star alliance round the world ticket, so would this help me get a cheap/maybe free upgrade??


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 4):
The reason I ask is that I am booked on exec economy (2pax) and was hoping to maybe chance my arm and get an upgrade to Raffles class. I don't mind paying if neccessary but I wonder would they charge 'full whack' for an upgrade. I have a star alliance round the world ticket, so would this help me get a cheap/maybe free upgrade??

Don't hold your breath for any upgrade without paying in full!!! Generally speaking "enhanced Raffles" is always full. If not, they normally have people waitlisted willing to pay full fare.

However, IIRC, Tues/Wed loads in Y tend to be a little lighter so you might be able to get the three seats in the middle with one empty.


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Ah well, thanks for letting me know

I am flying on a monday so maybe the fligh will have a full load.

Just read some prv posts and I gather the exec ecomony is as good a business class on some other airlines.

If thats the case and with Krisworld to keep us entertained then the flight should be a good one.


User currently offlineKdm From New Zealand, joined Feb 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

I think it is a great flight in a nice quiet airplane. I have done it a couple of times and really enjoyed it. Mind you I did have the full DVD set of LOST series 1 to pass the time. Watching the plane crash was not the smartest thing I have done in an airplane, mostly worried that people may see my laptop and complain.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Quoting Kdm (Reply 7):
Mind you I did have the full DVD set of LOST series 1 to pass the time. Watching the plane crash was not the smartest thing I have done in an airplane, mostly worried that people may see my laptop and complain.

Don't worry. What was worse is when I took JAL last June, YVR-NRT. They had a special about the mechanical errors caused in JAL and even showed the potential errors in JL123 in 1985. It was on the MAGIC entertainment system and every single pax including me, looked pale.

Sorry for getting off topic btw

Welcome to a.net!!!!



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 3):
In general, the flight will take the route on The Great Circle Mapper (and it's in general..there are probably places where it does not have overfly rights etc). The Great Circle Mapper puts the track well south of Alaska. And of course, the exact route also takes jetstreams into account...if the jetstream allows the flight to arrive earlier, but is off the Great Circle route, then the plane will take that route

That is not quite true on the ultra long haul flights from SIN to EWR/LAX and return. EWR-SIN is particularly interesting since depending on the winds, the flight will take a polar route or take an easterly route and fly over Europe and then India rather than over Canada, Russia, Mongolia, China before making it to SIN. Those are some very different routes. SIN-EWR on the other hand will almost always ride the jetstream across the Pacific. It will fly with the jetstream at somewhere around the 60th parallel.

So on your SIN-LAX flight, you probably will fly northwest to the general vicinity of Japan before heading east. You probably will not see land again until you are on the US west coast over California. If you fly LAX-SIN, you probably will get to see the Aleutian Islands and Southern Alaska.
LAX-SIN isn't as different, but the different flights will fly quite far apart. A difference in wind makes a huge difference when you are talking about 16-18 hours. SIN-LAX will likely fly south of the great circle route, to ride the jetstream, and LAX-SIN probably will be farther north so that it will not face as strong of headwinds.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

I have airways magazine about SQ A345 flying between SIN and LAX. I have a map of SQ's accurate route from SIN to LAX From Singapore-flying over Phillipine's north coastline-Japan's west coastline-Alaska (near Anchorage-Canada's west coastline-US's west coastline-across California-to LAX.


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User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

It seems as though the weather will have a large bearing on the route we will take.

However flyboyoz seems to have some hard facts in relation to the case. I hope you are right about the route, it would be nice to 'skirt' the coast of Alsaka!!


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 4):
On a side note, does anyone know what the loads on like on this flight around the end of August.

The reason I ask is that I am booked on exec economy (2pax) and was hoping to maybe chance my arm and get an upgrade to Raffles class. I don't mind paying if neccessary but I wonder would they charge 'full whack' for an upgrade. I have a star alliance round the world ticket, so would this help me get a cheap/maybe free upgrade??

I did SQ20 on a CRTWSTAR3 only a few months ago:
http://www.bjornstrom.se/index.php/r...06/comments/sq20_sin_lax_non_stop/

I'd say that chances of a op-up is very close to zero when flying SQ and if they were upgrading they would start with the PPS members. It is not possible to buy standby upgrades to C such as on TG for example although you could upgrade on KF points (45k/person one-way if im not mistaken).

Exec economy and Raffles are the only classes available on the A345 so its not "a step closer to C" as when you fly SK or UA.



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User currently offlineSfo212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

One time I was looking at a flightaware.com over the Hawaiian Islands and who came trundling along-Singapore 19 LAX-SIN at cruising altitude. I think it was during the winter so it was probably ducking south to avoid the winter jetstream. Pretty amazing though.

User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Bjornstrom

Thanks for the info

I have joined the SQ frequent flyer programme and will have a few flights in between my SIN-LAX flight (These being LHR-DXB on Virgin and MLE-SIN on SQ).

I know these won't be much but I thought it might be a start. Maybe my next big trip in '07 I could use the points!!!!.

Sfo212, I like the idea of the Hawaiian route!!!!


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 4):
The reason I ask is that I am booked on exec economy (2pax) and was hoping to maybe chance my arm and get an upgrade to Raffles class. I don't mind paying if neccessary but I wonder would they charge 'full whack' for an upgrade. I have a star alliance round the world ticket, so would this help me get a cheap/maybe free upgrade??

SQ rarely upgrades. And when they do, they will go for
1) VIPs first
2) Their top tier frequent flyer loyalty program members flying on full fare
3) Other frequent flyer members flying on full fare
(PS - Star Alliance RTW tickets are NOT full fare, and besides you're in coach)
4) Yes, they will calculate the difference between what your ticket is, the difference between that and the cost of a full fare economy class ticket. And then the difference between that and a full business class ticket with surcharge for flying the nonstop flight.
It would have been cheaper had you bought a Star Alliance RTW business class ticket!


User currently offlineOB1783P From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 2):
Must make sure I have plenty of film in the Camera.

Could be lucky to get a nice few photos

I believe a lot of your flying will be nighttime.

However, I hope your pictures will turn out. And now that we are all inetested in your trip, you simply owe us a trip report when you come back.



I've flown thousands of miles and I can tell you it's a lot safer than crossing the street!
User currently offlineKesflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Well, next week I am off on a similar nightmare flight.

Thai TG 790 ( A340-500 ) from BKK to JFK. 17 hours and definitely routing over the north pole.

Only consolation is that it's Royal Executive Class with lie flat seats, however not at 180 degrees and closer to around 170 degrees.


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