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Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?  
User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

On a recent visit to GLA ive noticed that us airways flight to PHL is operated by a 762 but recently ive heard that the flight was to be operated by a 752. this is great because i feel GLA is losing its widebodys to the states such as CO to EWR . HOW LONG WILL it continue?

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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

US airways timetable shows B752 from 31st May PHL-GLA.


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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7493 times:

thats bad news , so why are they using the 757 ? soon AA will be using it on flights to ORD!!

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Maybe there aren't enough PAX to fill a 762 or the 762 can be better utilised elsewhere.


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User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

At the risk of resurrecting all the usual arguments, they will be switching to the 752 because it is a highly economic type for use on east coast USA-Scotland services, as CO has proven. The switch also allows US to start new routes from PHL to European destinations further afield which will require the range of the 762. Scotland is well within the range of the 752.

And switching to 752 ops might also boost the chances of the route going year-round, instead of the current summer only.

I think it's a shrewd move by US.


User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

MXP and ARN services start on 04JUN & 05JUN, with 2 767s deployed on those routes. There has been a 'new' 757 ETOPS (N643UW) parked at the hanger in PHL waiting to enter service for about a month now.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

The ever increasing use of all economy 752's across the atlantic demonatrates the point-to-point theory. AA and CO have had success doing this on UK & Irish routes recently.

User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 438 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Thread starter):
HOW LONG WILL it continue?

"Better 1 US Airways 757 flight than no US Airways flights at all..."

Don't forget that there are many, many airports in Europe dreaming of a service to the States, so if you've got them, try to keep them even if they switch to smaller equipment!!!  

[Edited 2006-05-25 17:23:28]

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 2):
soon AA will be using it on flights to ORD!!

Not possible.

Gaz



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User currently offlineAirways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 8):
Not possible

Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

Airways45


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Quoting Airways45 (Reply 9):
Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me  Wink

Gaz



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Why do the US carriers use 752s to GLA? Easy, because they can....NE US to UK routes are well suited for 752 operations as there are no range issues and few operational issues to contend with. Both US and CO have a limited number of long range widebodies.....and thsoe aircraft are now flying routes which are longer range and cannot be done with the 752. Its simple aircraft allocation.

The US (ex-ATA) 752s are probably nicer than the neglected US 762s which are in need of an interior upgrade........also, as you probably know, the economics of the 752 are better than those of the 762ER on a route such as EWR or PHL to GLA, and the pax capacity is roughly the same. Cargo lift is of course less with the 752.

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 10):

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me

Gaz

Lets go swimming!


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 10):
Quoting Airways45 (Reply 9):
Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me

Gaz

You're still not stating a reason why it's not possible.

Spell it out. What's the problem?



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):

Spell it out. What's the problem?

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4785 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):
You're still not stating a reason why it's not possible.

Spell it out. What's the problem?

You didn't get the hint when going for a swim was mentioned. The 752 just doesn't have the range for GLA-ORD with a useful payload.


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2298 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

NE US to the UK is great for the 757. Personally I love flying the 757 and would take a 75 flight over a huge wide-body anyday,


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7550 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.

The range of the 752 is 3,900nm according to Boeing, well within reach of ORD-GLA



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):

The range of the 752 is 3,900nm according to Boeing, well within reach of ORD-GLA

You just have to hope that there are no winds when flying GLA-ORD, that you get a direct routing into ORD, that there are no weather issues, that ORD has no delays and very little traffic on the day you are flying, that there are no ATC delays, and that your taxi times at GLA and ORD are very short. And, who needs to worry about alternate airports and holding times? Also, hope for a light pax load and little cargo.

I am teasing, of course, while the numbers indicate that the GLA-ORD route would be possible, in real life the operation would not be practical. CO is now debating upon whether it can use the 752 (winglet equipped) on any routes longer than the current Berlin-Newark segment which is about 3600 nm.

You may remember that AA was looking at something called the 757 Project 4000 - a bundle of minor tweaks and modications to be made to the 752 in order to get 4000 miles of usable range out of the aircraft......certain routes from MIA to Latin America and transatlantic segments such as GLA-ORD was what they must have had in mind. Not much has been recently heard about this proposal.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

That assumes no wind - the gulf stream across the Atlantic restricts this severely, meaning the aircraft would have to make a tech stop en-route. Plus that figure could exclude pax and baggage/cargo, which further reduces range.


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User currently offlineANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

DutchKet: There is nothing wrong or neglected about their 76-200's. The 75 will be sold as all coach until they have the time during the off seaon to do Envoy upgrades.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 19):
DutchKet: There is nothing wrong or neglected about their 76-200's. The 75 will be sold as all coach until they have the time during the off seaon to do Envoy upgrades.

US itself has said that the 767-200 fleet is in need of an interior upgrade to make the aircraft more in-line with the standard set by the A330.

And, the 752s are rather new aircraft, ex-ATA, that will be sold all coach until a narrow body J class is developed and installed.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6702 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):

Spell it out. What's the problem?

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.

ORD-GLA is 350 miles further than EWR-GLA..as the crow flies. The aircraft can serve routes over 4,000 miles. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_facts.html



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 21):

ORD-GLA is 350 miles further than EWR-GLA..as the crow flies. The aircraft can serve routes over 4,000 miles. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757....html

Please read the discussion above........there is a big difference between the numbers on Boeing's website and real life.

Things like winds, traffic, loads, cargo, ATC delays, diversions, and the like must be taken into account, especially on a transatlantic flight where a good portion of the segment will be over water. Trust me, anything more than 3500-3600 miles gets tricky on a 752......especially on a westbound journey against the winds, just ask any man or woman that dispatches for CO in Europe.

An airline could try using a 757 on a GLA-ORD route, but the result will be lots of unscheduled stops in Gander.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6668 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 21):
350

Its actually 450, as airliners don't fly as the crow flies - they fly Great Circle:
GLA (55°52'19"N 04°25'59"W) EWR (40°41'33"N 74°10'07"W) 3228 mi
GLA (55°52'19"N 04°25'59"W) ORD (41°58'43"N 87°54'17"W) 3676 mi



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User currently offlineKl671 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 18):
That assumes no wind - the gulf stream across the Atlantic restricts this severely,

If the gulf stream comes into play on a transatlantic flight, then you are definitely going for a swim.

I think you meant the jet stream! Smile


25 FURUREFA : How much range do the winglets add? Matt
26 Dutchjet : Roughly 300 miles......fuels savings just under 1% on longer segments. Thsoe are the numbers that I have heard.
27 ManchesterMAN : Many charter airlines have flown the 757 from LGW to YYZ which is exactly 100mi less than GLA-ORD. Now I'm not saying that the 757 could make GLA-ORD
28 Etops1 : i am working the 1st 757 flight from gla to phl on the 31st. should be interesting. the trip is a 3 day trip that originates on the 29th. you work the
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