YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 6 Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
With the recent expansion of Skyteam in the USA, I was wondering about possible development of code-shares among AF and NW and CO. In other words, will the routes to DTW, EWR, IAH be growing in the future for this reason?
Hjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 847 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
I read long ago that NW wanted codeshare TATL agreements with AF, and possibly AZ, and CZ (Czech Airlines). Unfortunately, that would be that NW, DL, KL, and AF would all be code-share partners and I remember hearing that American contested it because it would cause a monoply on the TATL market. So, it's still under consideration, but very unlikely...
YOu can probably do a search somewhere, I think I read an article in the Free Press. Anyways, I'm too lazy at the moment, but maybe later.
I would be for Skyteam expansion.... At least, Skyteam hubs would get more TATL flights to cities like Prague, Milan, Rome (for NW atleast).
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
The same question could be asked for KLM and transatlantic routes from AMS. KLM's transatlantic codeshare partner is NW and so far there are apparently no plans for a CO-KL codeshare on AMS-IAH and AMS-EWR, or for a DL-KL codeshare on AMS-ATL, AMS-JFK and AMS-CVG.
It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 896 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Right now, no US carrier serves PRG. I would expect that to change, whether it is CO out of EWR or DL out of JFK or ATL. DL currently codeshares OK's daily flight ex-JFK, but they would do better flying their own metal and codesharing THEIR flight to OK and the rest of SkyTeam.
COfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
AF and CO don't codeshare on IAH-CDG but that hasn't stopped the route from growing. AF went from a daily 777 to a daily 773. Now, AF is bumping weekly flights with a daily 777 and 5 times weekly 330. CO also has a daily 777.
KL has added a 737 bizjet on AMS-IAH in addition to their daily 74M. CO is adding frequencies this summer to the year round 764.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 3): Right now, no US carrier serves PRG. I would expect that to change, whether it is CO out of EWR or DL out of JFK or ATL. DL currently codeshares OK's daily flight ex-JFK, but they would do better flying their own metal and codesharing THEIR flight to OK and the rest of SkyTeam.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to add a direct flight to PRG from NW's, CO's or DL's hub other than NYC???
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5276 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 4): KL has added a 737 bizjet on AMS-IAH in addition to their daily 74M. CO is adding frequencies this summer to the year round 764.
Incidentally....how is this service going loadwise......
My brothers flies KLM and Air France regularly from IAH and he says the Privtair plane is usually about 50% but the Biz class on the AF 777 are usually full to the brim.
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KL662 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
CO used to code share on AF flights, but I guess that stopped about the time DL and AF strengthened their relationship. Looks like the code shares started 6/19/1998 between CDG and EWR/IAH/MIA, according to a CO press release.
I flew on a couple in 1999: AF36 CDG-IAH as CO83, CO10 IAH-CDG as AF35, and CO11 CDG-IAH as AF34.
Jano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 814 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1653 times:
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 5): Wouldn't it be a better idea to add a direct flight to PRG from NW's,
If would be nice if NW did so.
However, they do not have aircrafy for that now. Ad when all A330s get delivered I think they will expand more along MSP-CDG, DTW-MAD, DTW-FCO (normally seasonal, this year not operated).
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2): It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.
Indeed, for the moment they will stick to KL-NW and AF-DL. Last year, they did a request for a antritrust-immunity for AF-KL-DL-NW. Not for CO though, as CO is not that interested in codesharing between hubs, only beyond.
Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2): It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.
This answered a questioned I had about DL in AMS. I wondered why DL didn't use AMS as another gateway to Europe with KL doing the feeding to/from places like Germany and Scandinavia.
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