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EasyJet A319, Why 4 Overwing Exits?  
User currently offlineSvenskpilot From United States of America, joined May 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Noticed that EasyJet's A319s have four overwing exits and was wondering why this is. What is different about their A319s than any other carrier?


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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Thread starter):
What is different about their A319s than any other carrier?

They have a 150 seat cabin configuration.

[Edited 2006-05-26 02:25:52]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Thread starter):
Noticed that EasyJet's A319s have four overwing exits and was wondering why this is. What is different about their A319s than any other carrier?

They have four overwings due to the ammount of seats inside. Thats the only way they could certify the aircraft for the seats they wanted.



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User currently offlineSvenskpilot From United States of America, joined May 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Why not go with the A320 then if you're going to cram 150 people into a plane that's 12 feet shorter?

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Thread starter):
Noticed that EasyJet's A319s have four overwing exits and was wondering why this is. What is different about their A319s than any other carrier?

The centre section of the fuselage is actually that of the A320 which already accomodates the double overwing exists. These aircraft are in a 156Y passenger configuration and as such will require two extra emergency exists. The maximum passenger load on an A319 with the standard overwing exists is 149Y.

There costs involved in using the A320 centre section are completely negligable.



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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 1):
They have a 150 seat cabin configuration.

They actually have a 156 seats cabin ! And they had to add a F/A for the extra 7 seats compared to the 149 seats of the 737 !


User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Reply 3):
Why not go with the A320 then if you're going to cram 150 people into a plane that's 12 feet shorter?

To tell you the scary truth, if they have the A320, they'll cram even more people..

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 5):
They actually have a 156 seats cabin ! And they had to add a F/A for the extra 7 seats compared to the 149 seats of the 737 !

Hmm.. that made me think.. is the airline going to profit more by adding the additional F/A for the 7-seat increase? I mean, obviously the more seats, the lower the CASM, but is it justifiable to have to pay an extra F/A?

Sorry if that sounded a little bit silly


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 6):
To tell you the scary truth, if they have the A320, they'll cram even more people..

I was wondering that too - how many people would they get into a 320 or a 321 at the same density?


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

i thought they had or were going to go back to 149y so as not to have an additional F/A

User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
I was wondering that too - how many people would they get into a 320 or a 321 at the same density?

If I wasn't mistaken, an A320 can take 180Y, and A321 220Y.

I'd say any LCC would cram in as much as possible..

just my  twocents 


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 9):
A321 220Y

MMMMMM nice!


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 6):
Hmm.. that made me think.. is the airline going to profit more by adding the additional F/A for the 7-seat increase? I mean, obviously the more seats, the lower the CASM, but is it justifiable to have to pay an extra F/A?

Over a certain passenger count, fares become 100% profit - Ive heard different figures for different airlines and aircraft, but according to sources on a.net usually it loiters around 50% capacity. Adding an extra 7 people at £30 a time for a 3 hour flight, while paying the F/As £10GBP an hour, equates to £150 profit rather than £230 profit (on a return flight where all 7 passengers are returning).

Its more than worth it in Easyjets eyes.


User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Its more than worth it in Easyjets eyes.

Sorry, my bad. I forgot that LCC cabin crews are paid by the hour. I suppose that's the way LCCs make profit.. Thanks for clearing it up  Wink


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3168 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 9):
If I wasn't mistaken, an A320 can take 180Y, and A321 220Y.

I'd say any LCC would cram in as much as possible..

Wizzair and Vueling have those A320s with a 180Y config.
Ryanair has a 189Y config in their 738s.

156Y in easy's A319s is not more cramped than their 149Ys 37Gs.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7479 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Over a certain passenger count, fares become 100% profit - Ive heard different figures for different airlines and aircraft, but according to sources on a.net usually it loiters around 50% capacity.

This depends on the price paid by the first 78 passengers (that are required to achieve a 50 per cent load factor). Then there are incremental costs for carrying each additional passenger including airport handling charges and the extra fuel burnt because of the additional weight created by the incremental passenger. So there is no point where an incremental fare is 100 per cent profit although the percentage profitability from an additional passenger is very high once all non-variable costs are covered.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

Quoting Svenskpilot (Reply 3):
Why not go with the A320 then if you're going to cram 150 people into a plane that's 12 feet shorter?

That's an easy answer: €€€ $$$. There more passengers you put in a plane the more you earn.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3168 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

First a small detail, the F/A is not required for the 7 extra pax, but for 6. The typical 73G seats 149 pax, but a typical 319 seats 150 pax, that's the limit for 3 F/A's. The 319s were originally planned with 150 seats, look for example at this press release, dated 14 Oct 2002: https://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/20021014_01.html

Quote:
Airbus A319 will be configured with 150 seats, with the possibility of increasing to 156, compared to 149 on the Boeing 737-700

But there is another reason why they have 4 F/A's and that is because of extra revenue generated by on-board sales. When they had 3 F/A's on their 149-seat Boeings, it often occurred that on short flights, not all passengers could be well served. So, the 4th F/A is also there to boost on-board sales.

(however, I have never experienced people buying many things on board)


User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 12):
Sorry, my bad. I forgot that LCC cabin crews are paid by the hour. I suppose that's the way LCCs make profit.. Thanks for clearing it up

Not true, at least when I used to work for U2. The F/A get a basic salary and then are paid on flights. For example there is an amount for one flight (lets say 10 for easier calculation). Then each flight has it's ratio according to its length : small 0.8 - medium 1.0 - long 1.2. So if one flie GVA-NCE, he gets 8, then LTN-ATH, he gets 12 and so on. Hope it's clear enough.

That's actually how they gain money because if they would pay by hour, as soon as the flight is delayed, they would have to pay more. With this system, they only pay for flight actually flown and not for the delay !!!


User currently offlineTuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 9):
'd say any LCC would cram in as much as possible..

Agreed, Jet2's 757's could take 228 people, now they are going in 1 by 1 for a reconfig to add seats to seat 235 same as Thomsonfly and probably other charters, hello sardine!


User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 13):
156Y in easy's A319s is not more cramped than their 149Ys 37Gs.

IIRC they use 29'' pitch. I wouldn't fit in there.


User currently offlineGCDEG From Greece, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6196 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 12):
I forgot that LCC cabin crews are paid by the hour. I suppose that's the way LCCs make profit

As HBJZA said above this isn't the case with every LCC. There are two different ways of paying flight pay. One is sector pay and the other is per hour pay. Sector pay means that the crew get a standard amount per flight and with per hour pay means basically what it says. The crew are paid every hour until they check back in at their base again. There are pros and cons to each one but every airline has either one or the other. With my company it's per hour pay but with EZY it's sector pay.

Nick



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

They cram everyone in the A319s because well, they are operating under Southwest's business plan. Operate small, efficient airplanes with as many seats as possible.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 5):
They actually have a 156 seats cabin !

That is amazing. We fly all 320's and our configuration is 156. What is the seat pitch on EasyJet?



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 8):
i thought they had or were going to go back to 149y so as not to have an additional F/A

This is what I heard too. Anyone know any more about this?



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User currently offlineAlmeriabound From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

I don't know what the seat pitch is, but easyJet's A319s are extremely comfortable. I use them regularly flying LEI to either LGW or STN and there is no problem with either the seats or the pitch. The space available seems more than adequate for the two and a half hour flights, and compares as well as Iberia or British Airways aircraft.

Saludos from LEI



Mike Barker in Almeria
25 Ade99 : Easyjet have been considering removing/decreasing the number seats down to 150 so they on need three cabin crew, however the decision making has gone
26 Bmiexpat : However, I can imagine that those extra 7 seats are sold at top whack fares rather than the average, so on a full flight those extra seats would mean
27 RootsAir : This is funny.. Its the nth time this topic comes up Such as : Why Lufthansa no PTV's? When are NW retiring their DC9's and DC 10's? Why no more eyebr
28 Superhub : Is this a joke? There should be a FAQ section where people can consult before posting a question like the EZ A319s and questions like yours above. It
29 VV701 : I must bow to your experience although I am very surprised. The maximum number of seats on a BA 319 is 126. EZ have 24 per cent more at 156. Indeed B
30 Post contains links and images SkyexRamper : View Large View Medium Photo © Dickson Ching - HKAEC They are using the new age seats that are thinner than most economy seats. They are able to main
31 Post contains images SkyexRamper : How short are you!?!?! 29" pitch and being 6'1" I'd have my knees in my throat.
32 Miami1 : Southwest have 33-34" seat pitch - much MORE ROOM than most majors. And 137 on their 73Gs and 733s is far from maximum for that aircraft type. Southw
33 Skyexramper : Go to their site and read about their procedures and how they operate. Although they have taken it one step further than SWA by cramming as many peop
34 RJ100 : Yes, for instance tomorrow: Naples-Basel 299.99 Euros (2 seats left) Nice-Basel 254.99 Euros (5 seats left) Basel-Nice 254.99 Euros (2 seats left) Ro
35 Gilesdavies : Welcome to the world of LCC in Europe and the UK! - Theres no Jet Blue carriers operating this side of the pond and unlikely to be any here any time
36 RedChili : This assumes that those final six seats are sold on each flight. If, on a certain flight, they can't sell those six seats, then they're paying the ex
37 VV701 : EuroTraveller on BA is 31 inches with 34 inches in the 'front' cabin for Club Europe. On many flights some of the Club Europe seats (2 - 3 configurat
38 RJ100 : This is true. But obviously they sell the 6 seats enough times during a year. EZY is a well run company...I guess they were thinking about that too..
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