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Air Canada And Project XM  
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Air Canada's aircraft interior refurbishment project or project XM has been in full swing for about a month or so. The first A320 to undergo the upgrade should be completed soon, also this month the first B763ER is getting it's new international layout with the lie-flat seats in Executive first . This is great and should enhance AC service tremendously.

AC in the last year or so has been very proactive on the weight and fuel consumption issue. They have stripped down a B767, realized that it looked awful and repainted. Taken away the ladders from avionics bays, put their wine in boxes and start trialing new catering carts. On the other hand, the new in seats, in-seat IFE and power units must add significant weight to a aircraft. I think AC is long overdue for a interior overhaul, but it just seems odd to have introduce weight saving measures along side a project that will see aircraft gain weight. Or did AC intentionally reduce the weight of its aircraft to offset the weight of the new equipment brought on by project XM?

KrisYYZ




http://www.achorizons.ca/en/issues/2006/april/extreme.htm

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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10005 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
On the other hand, the new in seats, in-seat IFE and power units must add significant weight to a aircraft. I think AC is long overdue for a interior overhaul, but it just seems odd to have introduce weight saving measures along side a project that will see aircraft gain weight.

The new seats that manufacturers are producing are lighter than older generation seats airlines are currently using. I would bet that weight savings on the seats would offset any weight gain the IFE equip is adding, making this weight neutral. AC has put a lot of effort into reducing the weight of their aircraft, I doubt they would throw it all away with this project.


User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

I heard that a number of the new seats were damaged in transit at YUL...They were left out in the rain with the plastic wrap torn or missing. They had to be returned.

I am sure this will cause at least one plane to be delayed....



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9837 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 1):
The new seats that manufacturers are producing are lighter than older generation seats

And a damn sight less comfortable !


User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

According to AC Horizons, the first A320 to roll out was on May 9th. Do we have any photos posted of the new interior of this aircraft?

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 4):
According to AC Horizons, the first A320 to roll out was on May 9th. Do we have any photos posted of the new interior of this aircraft?

Where did your read that? The last picture is dated May 16th in which the seat power packs are being installed. That A320 looks far from done.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 4):
According to AC Horizons, the first A320 to roll out was on May 9th. Do we have any photos posted of the new interior of this aircraft?

The aircraft pictures shown on horizons is the first one. It hasn't come out of the shop yet.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9689 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
Taken away the ladders from avionics bays, put their wine in boxes and start trialing new catering carts.

The ladders are progressively being removed on narrow body airbuses. The wine in tetra packs was a type trial for a 3 day period on the YUL-CDG route (they obviously picked the most finickity wine route), and the catering carts were type trialed on YUL-CUN flights. No final verdict on the the two latter issues.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 3):
And a damn sight less comfortable !

No at all. They're actually plusher and more comfortable than the seats that were installed on the 321's and a few 319's/320's which were very stiff. They will be similar to the Embraer seats which are very comfortable.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
They will be similar to the Embraer seats which are very comfortable.

I hope so. I find the Embraer seats to be very comfortable. If all of the seats across the fleet are as comfortable, I will be one very happy customer!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9549 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 5):
Where did your read that?

"On Apr. 24, an Airbus A320, fin 238, became the first airplane to enter a Montreal hangar for its makeover. This metal bird is scheduled to roll out of the hangar on May 9, with entirely refurbished interiors for North American Executive Class and network wide Economy Class."

http://www.achorizons.ca/en/issues/2006/april/extreme.htm


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9491 times:

Well, it ain't May 9th. As of May 16th, fin 238 is still looking pretty much gutted.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

Any idea what the delay is about, except those couple of seats that got ruined? There where new pitures etc every day for the first week or so, after that a lot of silence and only 1 or 2 updates. Did they stumbe on some unforeseen issues or did they underestimate the work required?

IM


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Am I the only person that really doesn't understand why the A320s are getting overhauled and the A340s aren't? I mean, aren't all the Airbuses getting ditched within a short period of time to be replaced with Boeings and Embraers? I could be completely off about this, but it just seems a tad odd. I know about the 777 order which will replace the A340s but I thought the A320 series was going too.

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 13):
? I mean, aren't all the Airbuses getting ditched within a short period of time to be replaced with Boeings and Embraers

Just the Widebodies are, AC is very satisfied with the A32x series for the time being. The 340's will be the 1st to go when the 777's arrive which is why they aren't being changed.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Also look out for the first AC 767-300ER with new interior and new lie flat suite in June of this year probably the first flight will be YYZ - TLV?

User currently offlineKLMyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Does anyone know if they are selling off the old seats?

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 15):
Also look out for the first AC 767-300ER with new interior and new lie flat suite in June of this year probably the first flight will be YYZ - TLV?

It's been discussed several times before. First dedicated route will be YYZ/ZRH/DEL.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3496 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Does this have anything to do with XM radio?


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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
Does this have anything to do with XM radio?

No...Project XM is short for "Project Extreme Makeover"


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