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Delta Service To Chennai Being Reduced  
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Delta's JFK-Paris-Chennai service is being cut to three times a week (down from daily service) between August and late October, then will return to a daily run. Any idea why the frequency cut is only temporary and how are the loads on the route. I flew MIA-CDG-MAA-CDG-MIA in January on AF/DL and the plane was completely full between Paris and Madras both ways, including first class.

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User currently offlineDl1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Just shooting from the hip but 2 things come to mind.
1) light pax loads and/or
2) the a/c are needed on other routes. ATL-EDI was put off for a month due to a shortage of a/c.


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Might have something to do with the retrofit of the 767 fleet.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6285 times:
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August through October is also low season; when you flew in January, that was peak season.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

DL clearly needs more 777-200-ER/LR a/c to effectively offer such service w/o tech/fuel stops at CDG. Direct USA-India service can be a money maker for carriers right now, but only if serviced by the right fleet. This is why AA is ahead of the game going from ORD-Delhi over the pole and Himalaya Mountains with their newer 777s.


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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Don't count on anything after Aug 31 2006. The updated schedule has not been loaded in their system yet. All of DLs flts after Sept 01 2006 will probably be updated in mid Jun 06. Delta does not schedule long term anymore and are constantly looking at what will or will not make money.

Every flt/Every city is up for grabs until they finish retiring the B737-200/B767-300 fleet. After that, it should calm down a bit - maybe!

KD MLB


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 5):
Every flt/Every city is up for grabs until they finish retiring the B737-200/B767-300 fleet. After that, it should calm down a bit - maybe!

Delta is not retiring their 767-300 fleet. If you meant the 737-300 fleet, those are already gone.


User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Delta is not retiring their 767-300 fleet. If you meant the 737-300 fleet, those are already gone.

sorry didn't clarify that...
DL is retiring their older ones ships 117-139...slowly...
KD MLB


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 7):
DL is retiring their older ones ships 117-139...slowly...

Where did you get that from? DL has only retired their 4 oldest 763s, and don't have any plans to retire the other non-ER 763s.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

And no airline has committed to serving BOM or S. Asia nonstop from the US. While the US-DEL nonstops could well be taking some traffic from DL's onestops via CDG (and those are full passenger connecting flights into an alliance hub, not just technical stops), the timing of the DEL arriving flights does not allow good connections throughout India, somewhat helping one-stop flights to S. India.

Ultimately, India will be served nonstop but it might be a little bit before that happens.

I suspect DL's move is more related to seasonality rather than aircraft issues. If they can support their current schedule during the summer, they should have no problem supporting it in the fall. No new services are being added after the summer and many of the markets that have multiple frequencies will be reduced; some seasonal markets will also be dropped. There are usually plenty of aircraft available during the winter for any modifications that could be done.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Not only the low season on the Europe-India sector play a role here, I'm afraid. The increasingly liberal policies of the Government of India have brought about an veritable mushrooming in Europe-India traffic. Add to that a number of nonstops from the US and growing longhaul fleets at Indian carriers and it should become clear that the market is about to reach a saturation point of some kind.

Yields between Europe and India have taken a beating in recent seasons (premium seats are available for less than USD2,000 these days) and remain under pressure, and airlines like Delta and Northwest cannot afford to invest scarce available resources in a less than optimal way. Thus, I am not surprised by Delta's reduction on the Paris-Chennai route, nor was I surprised when Northwest shelved its planned Amsterdam-Bangalore operations. The analysts at both airlines have obviously done their homework and have come to the conclusion that a more lucrative deployment of the airframes elsewhere in the network is possible. I wouldn't be surprised at all that more reductions are about to follow.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting Dl1011 (Reply 1):
Just shooting from the hip but 2 things come to mind.
1) light pax loads and/or

August is the peak season for travel from India to US.....school/Univ. openings and end of holidays...a lot of Indian students heading to the US.....US based Indians in India, heading back home after an Indian vacation....


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
DL clearly needs more 777-200-ER/LR a/c to effectively offer such service w/o tech/fuel stops at CDG. Direct USA-India service can be a money maker for carriers right now, but only if serviced by the right fleet. This is why AA is ahead of the game going from ORD-Delhi over the pole and Himalaya Mountains with their newer 777s.

DL could fly JFK-DEL or maybe even ATL-DEL nonstop if they wanted with their current fleet.

However, the 777ER doesn't have the range to reach Bombay or Madras. Unless DL or anyone else gets 777LR's, they won't be able to fly nonstop to these cities from the US.

That said, DL would be dumb to pick DEL as their next Indian destination because they would be competing with nonstops on UA and CO. IMHO, DL should look at BLR if they want to expand further in India.


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

They are apparantly doing it due to shortage of wide-bodies.

Delta airlines to scale down services

Also some discussion about this in this thread:

Indian Aviation Thread: Part 18]

IMO, not a very smart thing to do - lot of Indian travel to-fro during this season with schools closed for summer vacations. I personally know tonnes who don't mind paying unusually high Y fares.


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
That said, DL would be dumb to pick DEL as their next Indian destination because they would be competing with nonstops on UA and CO.

I think you mean AA and CO. UA doesn't currently fly to India - non-stop or otherwise.


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

It may also be to do with the Monsoon would you like to be drenched daily?

User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 14):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
That said, DL would be dumb to pick DEL as their next Indian destination because they would be competing with nonstops on UA and CO.

Delta now has a pattern of dropping service to destinations and then restarting them several years later (ie. Copenhagen, Budapest, Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Berlin etc). so it would make sense that they would resume service once again to Delhi. Delta served DEL from 1991 thru 1995 then planned to restart service in 2001 before 9-11 happened.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
DL could fly JFK-DEL or maybe even ATL-DEL nonstop if they wanted with their current fleet.

However, the 777ER doesn't have the range to reach Bombay or Madras. Unless DL or anyone else gets 777LR's, they won't be able to fly nonstop to these cities from the US.

That said, DL would be dumb to pick DEL as their next Indian destination because they would be competing with non-stops on UA and CO. IMHO, DL should look at BLR if they want to expand further in India.

Which is why DL needs to get a few more 777s sooner than later (especially the 200-LR model) to cover such routes ATL or JFK-BLR as well as their forthcoming service ATL-South Africa.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 16):
Delta now has a pattern of dropping service to destinations and then restarting them several years later (ie. Copenhagen, Budapest, Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Berlin etc). so it would make sense that they would resume service once again to Delhi. Delta served DEL from 1991 thru 1995 then planned to restart service in 2001 before 9-11 happened.

Right - but it wouldn't make sense to go head to head with CO and AA (thanks for the correcction) when they both have nonstops, and DL has only a few 777s - plus, BOM is generally higher yielding than DEL.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
Which is why DL needs to get a few more 777s sooner than later (especially the 200-LR model) to cover such routes ATL or JFK-BLR as well as their forthcoming service ATL-South Africa.

Agreed - the 777LR fits well in DL's long-range plans.


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Delta's using the seasonality factor to tide over the aircraft shortage.

Summer is low season for flights to India so Chennai is going 3 weekly and Bombay is going 4 weekly. This will free a 763 that can be used to serve the summer expansion to Europe.

In the fall, Europe flights will be scaled back and India will become twice daily again - right in time for busy season.

The JFK-CDG-JFK and ATL-CDG-ATL sectors will remain as daily services.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 16):
Delta now has a pattern of dropping service to destinations and then restarting them several years later (ie. Copenhagen, Budapest, Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Berlin etc)

DL didn't have nonstop DUS service before, and if they were back in HAM, I would have been on the first flight  Wink .


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
DL didn't have nonstop DUS service before, and if they were back in HAM, I would have been on the first flight

I stand corrected on DUS. Regarding Hamburg they re-started and stopped service again a few years back, I want to sey in the late 1990s. Delta actually served Hamburg and Copenhagen BEFORE buying PAs routes so it was sad to see them pull out of both places.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 7):
DL is retiring their older ones ships 117-139...slowly...

No they're not, N116DL-N119DL have already been sold to HA, but N120DL-N139DL and N140LL and N1402A will remain. DL has no plans to retire its 24 active 767-300s.

Jeremy


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 19):
Summer is low season for flights to India so Chennai is going 3 weekly and Bombay is going 4 weekly. This will free a 763 that can be used to serve the summer expansion to Europe.

You're joking.

Summer is when half the entire Indian diaspora in the West go home because of summer vacation for the kids, and when Indians fly West on tourism or to visit the other half of the Indian diaspora. At Newark this past Monday, Air India was sending dozens of passengers home because of overbooking. Traditionally, the months of May - September and then December-January are the big travel months. Given that Delta is one of the few players out of Chennai, and has always enjoyed high loads in its crappy Biz class out of Bom, I'm a bit surprised, but then again, flights to Europe provide quicker turn around times and higher yields.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Yields between Europe and India have taken a beating in recent seasons (premium seats are available for less than USD2,000 these days)

Do tell ! The cheapest premium ticket I managed was in Premium Econ on BMI for 750 GBP. The Business was well over 1500 GBP.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 22):
No they're not, N116DL-N119DL have already been sold to HA,

These 3 aircraft are the only that DL has lost in bankruptcy and they did not necessarily want to give them up. It provided the "threshold" DL needed to know in order to not lose any further aircraft.


25 HB-IWC : One stop services will get you from London to Mumai for a lot less. KL/NW has a GBP1,010 Z-class fare (granted, on NW's ratty DC10s between AMS and B
26 Texdravid : Actually, it's not a surprise. Many Tamils use BA or LH for their travels, especially LH. DL routes through CDG, with fewer ongoing direct flights to
27 HB-IWC : Good one. Back in the late 90s, when Sabena still operated a thrice weekly A332 between BRU and MAA, there was exactly one toilet available in the en
28 Post contains images WesternA318 : so THIS is why I mistook JFK for BOM in mid-July last year...
29 Nimish : Exactly, and with the likes of BA/LH/VS/9W and even AI increasing services dramatically between India and Europe, there's little appetite for lower q
30 WorldTraveler : The Euro carriers will lose a great deal of business when nonstops between the US and India become much more commonplace which is what they will be wi
31 HB-IWC : Come on, there is absolutely no comparison between Delta's inferior Business Elite product and the likes of the British Airways Club World, and with
32 WorldTraveler : You need to check DL and NW's DOT statistics and you will see they have done quite well on their services to India. Your assertions that their service
33 Texdravid : That's great if you live in CVG, ATL or JFK, three portals that DL uses to fly to Europe. However, it is LH that flies to so many U.S. airports and c
34 Gt1 : On the subject of which non-ER 763's remain in service and which don't, last I checked it looked like this: 116 thru 120 and 122 were out of service,
35 Post contains images BlrBird : Good one
36 Jaysit : If youre in J or F, yes. LH Y is far from luxurious. In fact, its just plain awful.
37 Nimish : I think the comparision is with DL, where LH is definitely not worse than DL. If it was with BA or SQ or TG, that would be another matter altogether.
38 JFKLGANYC : "That's great if you live in CVG, ATL or JFK, three portals that DL uses to fly to Europe. However, it is LH that flies to so many U.S. airports and c
39 Panamair : Not only Y, but LH J on the FRA-MAA route is still pretty awful - with the old seats and configuration on the 744 - definitely worse than DL's J. In
40 Gigneil : UA doesn't serve DEL, to the best of my knowledge. The 777 barely fits in DL's long range plans.... they need to get back on the right track before b
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