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JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?  
User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3491 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

I was just look at some photos of JAL DC-8s. There was a photo of a DC-8-62 park by a UA DC-10 at LAX in 1984. How long did JAL fly DC-8 to LAX?

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6462 times:
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Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I was just look at some photos of JAL DC-8s. There was a photo of a DC-8-62 park by a UA DC-10 at LAX in 1984. How long did JAL fly DC-8 to LAX?

They flew the DC8-61/63 there in the 80's as well. They used them to operate from LAX-GRU/LIM.



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User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

What was JAL's routing?

WorldXplorer


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

By the mid-1980s, JL DC-8s were mostly operated on intra-Asian routes.
Perhaps the picture was a disposal flight back to the US with a stop in LAX?
Or DC-8-62 has the longest range of the DC-8 series so it could have been on a VIP mission.


User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Possibly this was a supplemental flight to meet increased travel demand for the '84 Olympics.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Perhaps the picture was a disposal flight back to the US with a stop in LAX?



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Or DC-8-62 has the longest range of the DC-8 series so it could have been on a VIP mission.



Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 4):
Possibly this was a supplemental flight to meet increased travel demand for the '84 Olympics

No, no, and no.

In the early to mid 1980s, JAL had a DC8 stationed at LAX which operated segments to South America.......the flight would operate with a 747 between Japan and LAX and with a DC8 between LAX and South American stations. I believe the routing was LAX-LIM-GRU and possibly on to GIG (guessing on that). The Japan-Brazil connection always has been an important one......the largest Japanese community outside of Japan resides in Sao Paolo.

In later years, the DC8 were dropped in favor of more modern types, and the routings changed. Service between GRU and NRT now routes via JFK I think.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Service between GRU and NRT now routes via JFK I think.

Yes, JL 48/47 I think.

It had a unique schedule in that it has close to a 12 hour ground time I think in JFK upon returning from Brazil? Actually, I happened to stay in the same hotel as that JL crew in NYC three weeks ago.

There was a forum about JL upgrading the 744 that fly NRT-JFK-GRU to shell flat seats in the 3rd or 4th? quarter of this year.



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineVisakow From United States of America, joined May 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

I am assuming these never had CFM-56's installed, just the old P&W's.

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
In the early to mid 1980s, JAL had a DC8 stationed at LAX which operated segments to South America.......the flight would operate with a 747 between Japan and LAX and with a DC8 between LAX and South American stations. I believe the routing was LAX-LIM-GRU and possibly on to GIG (guessing on that). The Japan-Brazil connection always has been an important one......the largest Japanese community outside of Japan resides in Sao Paolo.

Very interesting, but wasn't the flight operated via MIA and not LIM as you point out? It was a DC-8 flight that operated LAX-MIA-GRU (or GIG) since GRU wasn't really too international back then, or was it?

It was RG that operated GIG-LIM-LAX-TKO wasn't it? What was RG flying to Japan in does days?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Hey gang - newbie here - former UAL, now JAL. If I recall correctly (and would have to check some old timetables I bought on eBay), the rlight was twice, monthly when operated via LAX. At some point, it operated TYO-ANC-JFK-SJU-Brazil. SJU was a fuel/tech stop as well. Can check exact routings if you like. Great forum, glad to be a member now!
Don


User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 9):
Can check exact routings if you like.

That would be much appreciated! Welcome to airliners.net!

WorldXplorer


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Is the aircraft one of these?


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User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Don't know whether or not you're familair w/this web site, but check out the routing from TYO to GRU on this link - comes VERY close to both NYC & YYZ

GRU&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=" target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=N...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

Will check on the timetable, Worldxplorer, and thanks for the welcome!


User currently offlineSFO212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

What a wonderful picture above showing such great aviation history. The JAL DC-8, multiple 747s in Pan Am Livery and also three L-1011s, one each in TWA, Eastern, and Pan Am.

User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

In Spring 1980, the JAL Brazil schedule operated NRT-ANC-JFK-SJU-SAO and return, same routing. (No times for ANC/JFK/SJU in timetable).

In 1981, that was tweaked and routing was changed to NRT-ANC-MIA-SAO, returning the same way.


In Winter 1982, JAL Brazil schedule VIA LAX & MIA as follows:
NRT-LAX 2035/1330
LAX-MIA 1430/2155
MIA-SAO 2255/0910

SAO-MIA 2350/0610
MIA-LAX 0730/0955
LAX-ANC 1055/1415
ANC-NRT 1515/1755
It appears that flights were timed to connect w/747 nonstops between NRT-LAX-NRT in both directions.

By 1983, it was a DC* based in LAX operating LAX-MIA-SAO and return, same routing to connect to/from 747s. In late 80s, thru 747 was offered TYO-GRU via LAX. This was later moved via NYC, which is what JAL had wanted since starting US service in the 50s, w/full traffic rights.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Quoting Visakow (Reply 7):
I am assuming these never had CFM-56's installed, just the old P&W's.

Obviously not. If this was the case, it would have been a DC-8-72.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Avatordon - thanks for posting those details. I was always curious about those JAL DC-8 routes.  bigthumbsup 

WorldXplorer


User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

I only wish JAL would increase the frequency in this market (NRT-JFK-GRU), as we went from 4 weekly to 3 weekly. Don't know if we'll see that anytime soon, if ever. But as I say, the upgraded Executive Class seat product is being introduced in late October.

User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Wow JAL in MIA. I had no idea. A friend of mine told me many years ago he thought he spotted a JAL aircraft at night in MIA. I thought he was joking.

User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Now, if only JAL would go back into DFW what w/oneworld and all!

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

JAL never operated GRU with the DC-8. This operation was to VCP.

They stopped operations with the DC-8 and changed to B747 and at same time stopped their flights to SAO and operated in GIG. GIG/GRU was operated under a domestic agreement.
Than JL decided to stop operation in GIG and returned to SAO market, this time to GRU with B744.


User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

When I used "GRU", it was a reference to the city - not the specific airport. As for VCP(Viracopos), I seem to remember something to the effect that not only JAL, but a significant number of carriers operating large aircraft, i.e., 747s, etc, either moved or increased service to GIG, and had some type of code-share or something to VCP. (Wasn't CGH - I think Congonhas - the international airport for a time before GRU? My memory is working overtime.) I think that GRU was either being built or upgraded or something.

JAL never had any desire to serve GIG - there was no Japanese market there, unlike Sao Paulo, which has the largest Japanese community in the world outside of Japan. GIG was a stop-gap measure at best until the airport in SAO was comeplted. Maybe someone else could add some more info on this? I'd be curious as to why all the long haul carriers all had to move for a period of time.


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 22):
When I used "GRU", it was a reference to the city - not the specific airport. As for VCP(Viracopos), I seem to remember something to the effect that not only JAL, but a significant number of carriers operating large aircraft, i.e., 747s, etc, either moved or increased service to GIG, and had some type of code-share or something to VCP. (Wasn't CGH - I think Congonhas - the international airport for a time before GRU? My memory is working overtime.) I think that GRU was either being built or upgraded or something.

Ok, let's go. the city is SAO and SAO is served by 03 airports, CGH, GRU and VCP. YES VCP is in a city called Campinas and it is far away from São Paulo about 100km but is it considered also as an airport of SAO.

It is the same thing as NYC...served by JFK, LGA...LON by LHR, LGW,STN,...

Nice weekend


User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5400 times:

When did GRU open? That is, wasn't there a period of time when the only two airports were VCP and CGH?

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 24):
When did GRU open? That is, wasn't there a period of time when the only two airports were VCP and CGH?

From what I remember GRU was originally an Air Force base converted for civilian use. As late as into the 1980s I remember some European carriers still operating from VCP.



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