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Photos Of Damage - UA870 SYD-SFO Bird Strike  
User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24890 times:

Hi All,

As promised, I have uploaded a nice close shot of the bird strik damage from UA870 (See UA870 SYD-SFO Bird Strike (by AirplaneCrazy May 14 2006 in Civil Aviation) for more details).

Here is a selection.


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Glenn


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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24890 times:
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That is such a beautiful aircraft in the new livery.

User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 24777 times:

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How was the bird?

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come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 24746 times:

Judging by all the fire trucks the flight was aborted? I wouldn't say that the damage is superficial, but it doesn't look like the struck engine would even need to be shut down. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would have thought that the flight could have continued to SFO.

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 24639 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 2):
How was the bird?

Simple physics my friend. Have you ever seen an object hit another object traveling over 120mph. That 10 pound bird (unless it was a 30 pound pelican Big grin ) makes a nice dent due to the force especially if the bird was flying head on toward the airplane, then the impact force is greater.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 24621 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 4):
especially if the bird was flying head on toward the airplane, then the impact force is greater.

Oh. I thought he was asking about the bird's health and welfare after the incident - which can't have been good.

 Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 24603 times:

did the bird sustain any injuries ???  tongue 

Thanks for sharing the pix.

Zaki


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24509 times:

Had a bird stike on a CRJ once. It was pretty grim all that was left of the gull was a wing speared on a pitot tube and big red splat.

User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24472 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 3):
Judging by all the fire trucks the flight was aborted? I wouldn't say that the damage is superficial, but it doesn't look like the struck engine would even need to be shut down. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would have thought that the flight could have continued to SFO.

Thankfully this was on take off. The Captain aborted well before V1 (V1 for this flight is a fair distance down the runway). I think the aircraft flew back to the US without pax on three engines. Qantas has 747 maintenance in Sydney, but they only have RR and GE engines - no Pratts.

United could have flown an engine out, but it made more sense to fly the aircraft back in the state it was.

Glenn



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User currently offlineMotopolitico From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24443 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 8):
United could have flown an engine out, but it made more sense to fly the aircraft back in the state it was.

I wonder if the Brits would have complained if this 744 had completed its flight on three?



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24397 times:

Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 9):
I wonder if the Brits would have complained if this 744 had completed its flight on three?

Meaning? Sorry, don't get your drift.



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24369 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 6):
did the bird sustain any injuries ???



Quoting Remcor (Reply 3):
Simple physics my friend. Have you ever seen an object hit another object traveling over 120mph. That 10 pound bird (unless it was a 30 pound pelican ) makes a nice dent due to the force especially if the bird was flying head on toward the airplane, then the impact force is greater.


Yup! The result was 10 pounds of ground, cooked turkey. I must say Pratt & Whitney makes a lousy food processor.  Big grin

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24341 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 10):
Meaning? Sorry, don't get your drift.

Remember that Ba flight from Lax to Lhr, which flew on 3 engines, and was diverted somewhere in the Uk.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24107 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 2):
How was the bird?

He was served with a nice risotto in the first class cabin.....



You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23928 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 10):
Meaning? Sorry, don't get your drift.

MotorHussy,

BA is being fined by the FAA for conducting an LAX-LHR flight recently on three engines after one of them had to be shut down. The captain in conjunction with BA Ops elected to continue the flight rather than return to LAX.
Can't remember whether it was a birdstrike though.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23858 times:
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Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 6):
did the bird sustain any injuries ???

And for the others enquiring about the health of the bird, I believe one of the YSSY safety officers that attended this incident has a talon from a Sea Eagle on his desk, the simple fact that is all he has implies that all is not well with the bird!!

Side note: The Authorities at YSSY have recently installed perimeter lighting around much of the airport, these light posts have special shades so most of the light shines downwards for obvious reasons but that means the top surface is nice and flat.. I have seen pelicans using these as resting places on several occasions.. wonder if any thought about that???

Cheers

Chris


PS, thanks Glenn for including my photo in the thread.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23817 times:

Looks like your friend Chris beat you to it. His pics don't show up until midway throught the post. Linked to add to the conversation.....
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2772356/6/#ID2772356



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23788 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 6):
did the bird sustain any injuries ??? tongue

they don't know yet, it's still MIA  Wink



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User currently offlineShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23781 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):
Side note: The Authorities at YSSY have recently installed perimeter lighting around much of the airport, these light posts have special shades so most of the light shines downwards for obvious reasons but that means the top surface is nice and flat.. I have seen pelicans using these as resting places on several occasions.. wonder if any thought about that???

They wouldn't have given it a millisecond of thought. Australian authorities have a history of building wetlands and bird habitats under approaches to airports, ADL rwy 12 and at Parafield. They're more interested in appeasing the tree huggers than aircraft safety when it comes to birds.


User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23072 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 8):
no Pratts

   NO pratts in Sydney.....LOL.....







fyi..prat in England means stupid thick dumb......
Guess I'll have to change my opinion of the Aussies... rotfl 

[Edited 2006-05-27 14:54:58]


Remember: The Bird Hit You, You Didn't Hit The Bird.....
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22949 times:

Just out of curiosity, how much would it cost to fix the damage ??

-Zaki


User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 22782 times:

how much would it cost??? alot more than you have in your checking account, i figure at least a couple of thousand and to be honest i would hate to have to clean up the mess, lots of tedious boring paperwork to do.


If only you could install an air horn on a plane...
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 22782 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 6):
did the bird sustain any injuries ???



Quoting JRadier (Reply 18):
they don't know yet, it's still MIA

NEWS FLASH...... Dateline, Sydney.

When UA870 refused to yeild right of way to the bird, the Boeing B-747-400 struck and killed the poor victum. The bird's family has hired the top law firm in the US and filed a wrongful death suit against UAL for $350B US. Additionally, the ACLU has also filed suit against UAL for "wreckless acceleration" on the runway in Sydney, causing the death of a local Australian citizen. The ACLU sited the death as a violation of the basic right to life. Meanwhile, the families suit states the bird killed was only flying across the runway to get food for his sick mate, who was at their nest, sitting on their still unborn eggs.

The US based Serrira Club has called for a national day of moarning in both the US and Asutralia. US Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) has called for a US Senate Hearing into the death and the "total disreguard of life" by UAL, since UAL has not accepted responsibility for the accident, or offered compensation. Senator Kennedy also introduced a bill into the US Senate granting the deceased bird, and his extended family US citizenship.

A UAL spokesman said the company does not comment on law suits against the company.


User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 22635 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 23):

 rotfl   rotfl  you forgot to add PETA and the bird conservation groups you know they will get into an uproar and start protesting in front of the Macy's stores as well as the airports wearing duck outfits



If only you could install an air horn on a plane...
User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 22561 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 14):
He was served with a nice risotto in the first class cabin.....

LOL!


25 Post contains images CO7e7 : I know that part, that's why i asked the question to begin with. I was hoping to get an estimate figure.. not a funny comment! LOL -Zaki
26 PanHAM : Somebody scratched the rear right door of my A6 and another @sshole made a dent on the right front door, the estimate is € 1600,00 to get that fixe
27 LMP737 : Looking at the fan blades I can see that the tips on some of them have been bent back. Not the sort of thing you want to have on a flight. Also the d
28 Pilotaydin : I think you got that wrong, a simple look at most of Boeing's take off analysis charts will show you that the heavier you are, the lower your V1 spee
29 KC135TopBoom : Oh Yeah, that story was on page 2.
30 GEnxPower : Should have been GE! They have great ovens, microwaves, food processors, stoves tops, toasters..... etc etc Yum!
31 Vatveng : the PETA protestors will be standing naked on the runway to protest the use of feathers to "decorate the aircraft".
32 Tom12 : One of the captions on one of the photo's is (i think) that there is blood of the birds just inside the engine, i would imagine the bird is dead
33 SoBe : hmmm. I always thought that for the same runway condition, temperature and flap stetting the heavier the aircraft the higher the V1 speed.
34 777-200 : Heh, that first one is my new background.... Thanks haha...
35 Tjc2 : I just read on Rolls-Royce's 100 facts website that the paint on the spinner is supposed to put off birds because it appears as flashing and flickerin
36 Fr8Mech : You know what the last thing through the bird's mind was? His ass. That's a nose cowl change and a fan blade set replacement and balance. I count at l
37 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Actually, that is true. It is just not 100% effective, yet. Even though GE, RR, and P&W combined are trying to get the word out to all birds, there a
38 Post contains images AndrewUber : You know what was the last thing that went through that birds mind? HIS ASS
39 Cedarjet : Indeed, and it may not have been such a big deal but someone must have forgotten to carry the one or something cos they would have run out of fuel if
40 SATX : Is there some law that states most American plane spotters have to feel no compassion toward animals and have a general disgust toward liberal clubs
41 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Ya, the law of freedom of humour
42 Archer : Could you say the 747 was goosed?
43 KC135TopBoom : Yuk yuk, yuk, save the drumstick for me!!!!!! LOL
44 AirFrance : There is a chance that the bird might have went through the engine. Correct me if i'm wrong but do you think the bird could have hit the coiling, then
45 Sulman : Oh, I'm fairly sure it would have done. The fan and compressor blades can withstand a small animal fairly easily, but the turbulence and stress (the
46 Halophila : Is this in any way connected to the cancellation of UA870 from SYD to SFO on May 24th? I was on QF73 which was FULL of relocated UA passengers.
47 StealthZ : Very much doubt it, that was N177UA and whilst I do not know what it's problem was(sat collecting fees at SYD for a couple of days) N175UA had long g
48 Post contains images BBJII : Great absolutly great... In a reverse of fortune, the investiagtion has revaled that Mr Bird's TCAS was U/S and he should have BOG, (Bird on Ground).
49 Post contains images CptSpeaking : I was wondering for a while if anybody else had noticed that... seems to me the bird was right on the brink of going off the outside of the cowling o
50 Ahdharia : Can a 747 even fly to SFO from SYD with only 3 engines and full load of pax, fuel??
51 Post contains links Kaddyuk : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/154030 Read the replies in that thread... It was concluded that the only reason the engine has
52 MotorHussy : Kia ora that. Rodger in and out. Regards MH
53 StealthZ : Not all that conclusively!!! Birds have a much higher "flicker" rate than humans so would see a moving object in the centre of the engine where we se
54 Post contains links and images Glennstewart : OUCH! It's a pity it was one of the birds of prey. The Pratt logo is meant to stay on the side of the engine, not to be thrown through it. Reminds me
55 Post contains images LTU932 : Any word on the status of the aircraft? Is it still under maintenance or is it back in the air? And does the entire engine/cowling have to be changed
56 CX flyboy : ...i thought it was the Americans which complained.
57 Post contains images Iwok : well said. I'd rather have a dead bird than lots of dead pax. Puts things into perspective... I've never thought of seagulls as non-laminar air, but
58 MotorHussy : Apparently it was the Americans that complained about a BA flight completed on three engines. Motopolitico's was a hypothetical question. Please see
59 B707Stu : Then I'm sure you can appreciate a "Fair and Balanced" comprehensive article! (PS. I forgive you for being a Republican, it's a condition that affect
60 Molykote : ~$50k+ on the low end is my somewhat educated guess. My job is dealing with engine repair and damage but I don't have experience with this specific t
61 Electech6299 : The english might be a bit ambiguous there, Ahdharia ("flown an engine out" could mean two very different things!) What Glennstewart was saying was,
62 474218 : How much do you think it would cost to lease a 747F, or something similar, to transport the new engine to SYD and then transport the removed engine b
63 Molykote : If United had elected to restore this aircraft in SYD, rest assured that they would not have shipped an entire engine. UA probably would have sent th
64 MarkC : Those blades are replaced in matched pairs so you don't need to do the balence. They are between 15 and $20K each last I checked. It has to be more t
65 Supa7E7 : Rough guess... this was a $1 million incident all told. Deal with 300 passengers (hotel rooms?), ferry a flight empty ($100k worth of fuel alone), eng
66 Molykote : I don't have any experience with the PW4056 (which I believe is UA's engine for this bird). Double checking my AMM for a different PW 4000 variant it
67 Post contains links and images Glennstewart : I added a fairly clear shot from the front. View Large View Medium Photo © Glenn Stewart This beg the question.... Does anyone know the full story be
68 Post contains images QANTAS077 : i think you can stop plugging this now mate...
69 Post contains images Glennstewart : Heheh.... And who's going to be looking after you in Sydney when you visit?
70 Post contains images QANTAS077 : Bruce Guy
71 Post contains links Glennstewart : LOL! Not the way the winter weather in Sydney is at the moment: http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/Mag...ch&WeatherMaps=0&Leisure+Reports=0
72 Glennstewart : Of course this joke has a hidden meaning.... If you're wondering.... say it fast
73 Post contains images QANTAS077 : no worries..i usually bring a little Bruce with me everywhere i go.. you can expect sunny days and cloudless guy's.
74 Post contains images Fiveholer : We got visited in LAX by Bruce Guy eh? Danny
75 Post contains images QANTAS077 : pretty sure his name was "Crime Performance"
76 Fiveholer : LOL, yes, thats right! How could I forget?! Danny
77 Post contains images QANTAS077 : you mean a lil something like this?
78 Post contains images Fiveholer : Coupla handsome fellas there demonstrating proper aerodynamics! Danny
79 Glennstewart : Heheh I suppose this shot will get more hits than mine. No crime performance from these guys. They look to clean cut... well, two of them hey Monty. T
80 GVWOW : And when a Bird applies for life insurance, the ask him/her if they are interested in becoming a pilot, and charge them premiums if they live near th
81 Boeing747_600 : No e's not - e's just resting! And e's pining for the fjords!
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