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Jet Airways A330 EIS  
User currently offline707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

When will Jet Airways' new A330 enter service?

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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Later this year, thats all i can tell you at the moment. But if i remember correctly, this A332 is leased from ILFC because they will begin to receive their first few A332's (of their very own) in 2007. Even this is a brand new aircraft, i think its leased from ILFC.
Can anyone confirm this, i am using information from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Airways
"Deliveries are due to begin early in 2007, although the airline will become the first Indian A330 operator in May 2006, with the delivery of an aircraft on lease from International Lease Finance Corporation."



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Well, the recent pictues show the plane is still in TLS, so I think that they are still recruting new pilots, first in TLS and will then take the plane to India for further pilot training. But for the EIS i guess 1-3 months still

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 1):
Later this year, thats all i can tell you at the moment. But if i remember correctly, this A332 is leased from ILFC because they will begin to receive their first few A332's (of their very own) in 2007. Even this is a brand new aircraft, i think its leased from ILFC.
Can anyone confirm this,

Yes the first two A330s will be leased. Their 10 purchased ones will follow at a later date - to all be in service by May 2009.



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 2):
so I think that they are still recruting new pilots

So why does India have this big shortage of pilots. Aren't there enough flight schools or isn't there enough interest in taking up flying as a career?

Strangely for a country that has surplus people in all other professions, isn't it?



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3000 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 4):
So why does India have this big shortage of pilots. Aren't there enough flight schools or isn't there enough interest in taking up flying as a career?

Strangely for a country that has surplus people in all other professions, isn't it?

No its just they can't keep up with ther huge increase in aircraft deliveries in the country at present - from what was really a very small amount given the size of the country and its popualtion.



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User currently offlineAvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):

That being a reason and not to forget that flight training is an expensive career path. It is even expensive from the point of view of the Indian middle class. IAF pilots had begun leaving the force to join commercial airlines as they paid better before the government intervened.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting AvioGuy (Reply 6):
IAF pilots had begun leaving the force to join commercial airlines as they paid better before the government intervened.

Funnily enough, one thing I have noticed over here is the number of massive billboards enocuraging people to join the Air Force.



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2937 times:

Its poor planning on the Govt and the airlines part..yes the shortage is masive. Govt will not help investors to set up flt schools and airlines will not invest in new pilots every one of new start up airline wants 737NG / 320 pilots to come up from the ground by magic.

This demand has opened the market for expat pilots to come and fly in India.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

there is another reason for that. After the slump in avaition industry, lot of pilots were left jobless after making huge investments. That sort of acted as deterrant to new enterents to join the career and for training institute to expand facilities. Whereas IAF, always remained the safe bet.
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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Back to the topic, EIS of the plane is scheduled in July-August 2006 and will initially be used for crew training on domestic routes (so some DEL-BOM-BLR passengers might get lucky hopefully) and then when the second aircraft arrives the A330 could well be used on services to the UK (The long expected Delhi-Amritsar-Birmingham route or Bombay-Manchester - no-one is quite sure). Other A330's will replace 737-800's on services to SE Asia thus freeing up the single-aisle planes for much needed domestic expansion.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 4):
So why does India have this big shortage of pilots

There was a Sudden Increase in Airlines & Aircraft in the Country in last two years.
Previously It was a Bad choice.It will take time for things to stablize maybe a few more years hence Expats are being recruited.
Pilots carrier in an Airline requires them to sign a Bond & ensure Bank Gaurantee for the Training on Type provided by the Company.
Some Pilots have Taken loans to complete their flying.Which is risky too.

Rich kids become Pilots.....Poor Kids Become Engineers  Smile
BTW Mx is Fun too.


regds
MEL

[Edited 2006-05-29 10:43:56]


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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
the A330 could well be used on services to the UK (The long expected Delhi-Amritsar-Birmingham route or Bombay-Manchester

I thought Amritsar-London Heathrow was the first route for the A330? I know Jet haven't confirmed anything just yet, but I remember reading Naresh Goyal's interview in The Times (UK) in which he clearly said Amritsar-London would start this summer.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 12):
I thought Amritsar-London Heathrow was the first route for the A330?

Well, the route would be DEL-ATQ-LHR/BHX, no-one is quite sure as yet. 9W has also spoken about a second DEL-LHR service so this could be it. It is unlikely that 9W will keep a plane based at ATQ.



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User currently offlineAvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):

hmm those A330s will be a common site on the high density DEL-BOM route. 9W also has interests in operating into Australia in the future.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):
Well, the route would be DEL-ATQ-LHR/BHX, no-one is quite sure as yet. 9W has also spoken about a second DEL-LHR service so this could be it. It is unlikely that 9W will keep a plane based at ATQ.

So, this makes their long haul fleet 12 A330-200s and 10 777-300ERs. (I think they would probably dump their A340s once the 777s arrive).

Any guesses on their future route network?

I would think SE Asia and the Middle East would be served primarily by 737s.

A330-200: BOM-SYD, BOM-BKK, BOM-DXB, DEL-ATQ-LHR, BOM-NRT, BOM-SIN.
777-300ER: BOM-JFK, BOM-ORD, BOM-LAX, BOM-LHR, DEL-LHR, BOM-CDG.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
(I think they would probably dump their A340s once the 777s arrive).

Yes, probably as they are leased from SAA  Smile



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
BOM-CDG

I doubt 9W will use a 773 to CDG - there isn't the demand from CDG. AF, like KL and LH fill aircraft with connecting traffic from around Europe but mainly from the United States.
If 9W develop a hub designed for connecting traffic in BOM, like EK in DXB or SQ in SIN, then this will change.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
A330-200: BOM-SYD, BOM-BKK, BOM-DXB, DEL-ATQ-LHR, BOM-NRT, BOM-SIN.
777-300ER: BOM-JFK, BOM-ORD, BOM-LAX, BOM-LHR, DEL-LHR, BOM-CDG.

BOM-SYD, not a priority route especially wiht QF operating it and already being a 9W FFP and codeshare partner.----They might jointly operate the route with QF enabling to go to a daily service, but i doubt there is that much demand.

BOM-BKK, yes a good route but i dont think they will start BKK from BOM given the competiton they will face from IC/AI/TG/CX all veterans of this route unless they extend the route to some place like KIX/SEL.

BOM-DXB, no chance as the govt is planning to extend the restriction for pvt carriers to 2010---however if that happens it makes perfect sense but i dont think a 330 would be necessary when a 738/739 would be more than sufficient given the competion and they could always use multiple 738s from all over India to serve DXB and the rest of the middle east.

BOM-NRT--no carrier can get slots at NRT till 2009/10 when the new runway opens and once it does there will be a rush from the likes of EK/EY to brag the first lucrative slots they can get hold off, otherwise this route will make a perfect sense especially if they club it together with a fifth freedom flight to SFO/SEA/SJC/YVR/YYZ

BOM-CDG---a 77W will be an overkill on such a route especially if it is a terminator however if they use it as a fifth freedom flight to BOS/IAD/Canada then it makes sense

Cheers,

Karan


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2282 times:

Anyway, lets wait and see what Jet does, I believe there will be a big party the day the first A330 comes to BOM. And a Press Conference too, so I'll report a bit more then.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 19):
And a Press Conference too, so I'll report a bit more then.

What about the Mandatory Joyride  biggrin 
regds
MEL



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