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LH's New A346 Delivery?  
User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 8797 times:

Anyone know when LH is to start taking delivery of their new A346s (7 total, right)? We're going to get one here in Chicago operating LH433 to FRA at the end of the summer through October. Interesting that these will now be fitted with an F cabin.

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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Thread starter):

Question: Will the A346 on the ORD flight have F, or did you just make a general statement about the new aircraft getting F ?



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

Oops. Both, actually. All of the new A346s will be configured with F and we will be getting this new version on the late ORD-FRA flight.

On a side note, I hope LH433 continues in to the winter schedule like it did two years ago. Apparently, it didn't run last year simply due to aircraft shortages. Now that these new airbuses are coming on line, maybe we'll see the flight year-round.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

[Edited 2006-05-28 22:30:11]


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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

I bet you're right. This will finally give LH the extra capacity and F seating together in something other than the 744. I haven't heard anything about where these new planes are going (except ORD), but I think that JFK-MUC would be a perfect fit for the aircraft and a very strong possibility.


User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

[Edited 2006-05-28 22:30:11]

But didnt LH acquire the A333s and install the low-density interior with the F cabin specifically for the Germany-US East coast services? The A333s are prefectly suited for these segments.....and wouldnt the A346s be used for longer range routes out of FRA or MUC (in some cases, taking over from A343s which can be used for new routes or frequencies) ?


User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s?

Lufthansa introduced the new F-class together with the A380 order.
Originally they planned to get rid of their F-class and rather have an attractive c-class product on the market (the first 10 A346 and A333 were the first planes to carry out this plan) but after it became clear, that the F-class market is growing a lot, LH changed it´s plans and decided to get a new F-class.
I always thought, that it will be introduced with their first A380, but maybe they changed their plans. BTW, when is the first of the 7 new ordered A346´s going to fly for LH?
I think the plan is to install the new F-class on every long-haul plane...
please correct me if I am wrong, my sources for information are mostly quite reliable, but there always could be something wrong.

cheers,
Philipp



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8240 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
But didnt LH acquire the A333s and install the low-density interior with the F cabin specifically for the Germany-US East coast services? The A333s are prefectly suited for these segments.....and wouldnt the A346s be used for longer range routes out of FRA or MUC (in some cases, taking over from A343s which can be used for new routes or frequencies) ?


The A330-300s are a great aircraft for the route but by using the A340-600, Lufthansa would be able to sell more seats on a very high density route. There has already been speculation that JFK will be one of the first routes for Lufthansa on the A380.

[Edited 2006-05-29 00:09:15]


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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8083 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8083 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it. I am guessing late 2006 and early 2007.



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User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

The first routes of the new A340-600 will be LH 432 FRA-ORD and LH 754 FRA-BLR

User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?

LH wants to introduce its new F-class together with the introduction of the A380.

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
I always thought, that it will be introduced with their first A380, but maybe they changed their plans. BTW, when is the first of the 7 new ordered A346�s going to fly for LH?

I guess they just take some "old" F-class seats from spares until the new F-class arrives with the beginning of the 2008 summer schedule.

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
10 A346 and A333 were the first planes to carry out this plan) but after it became clear, that the F-class market is growing a lot, LH changed it�s plans and decided to get a new F-class.

I think that's route-dependent. Some routes justify an F-class compartment and some not ...


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

Lufthansa's lack of equipment has been endemic for a couple of seasons now. This summer, the airline is not operating a planned thrice weekly FRA CPT A343 service (like it did last year) because of lack of aircraft, and so there is no LH presence at CPT for the first time in many years. Also, services to GRU and BKK have been reduced, largely because of lack of equipment.

The addition of the seven A346 frames will only go so far in providing relief to the aircraft shortages. Two A332s need to be replaced first of all, and the FRA GRU SCL rotation will be reinstated effective the winter schedule. As such there will be very little room for growth, although there are plenty of markets in the LH network which are screaming for extra capacity.


User currently offlineBuslover From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Let's assume LH Had the airplanes available, still they would not have the crews to operate them. Even this minor expansion will cause problems like LH is not able to react fullf to the opportunities they have in Europe.

This is proven by their desperate search to find crews and/or airv´craft to manage the continental expansion, going so far as to risk a seriuos fight with the pilot's union!



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3220 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting DABVF (Reply 12):
LH 754 FRA-BLR

Wow - BLR upgraded to a 346 with First class!! Good - there should be less pressure on J class now.



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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?

as stated above, LH will install new F- and very likely new M-Class seating with the arrival of the A380. this is pretty much confirmed...

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
Originally they planned to get rid of their F-class

I assume you only mean in selected markets, as there has not been, not even for a split second, a consideration to scrap F-Class altogether. there are some markets which still do not justify a First Class for LH. however, as LH has been putting more efforts to attract First Class passengers (the dedicated terminal, etc.) in the last years, First Class bookings have rebounded significantly.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 17):

as stated above, LH will install new F- and very likely new M-Class seating with the arrival of the A380. this is pretty much confirmed...

If you take a look at the back of the Eco-seats installed on the A333 and A346s it seems pretty obvious what is going to happen to eco-class. Introduction of the A380 will bring PTVs into eco-class because the support in terms of mounting seems to be there already ...


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User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
Lufthansa's lack of equipment has been endemic for a couple of seasons now. This summer, the airline is not operating a planned thrice weekly FRA CPT A343 service (like it did last year) because of lack of aircraft, and so there is no LH presence at CPT for the first time in many years. Also, services to GRU and BKK have been reduced, largely because of lack of equipment.

There have actually been some rumours on the flyertalk LH/LX forums that LH intends to convert 4 of their A300-600s to intercontinental layouts with business class for flights to Almaty etc. This may relieve some of the long haul aircraft shortage. I wonder if anyone has more news on these plans or can at least confirm them?


User currently offlineBuslover From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Airtropolis, you are right these A300s will fly to AMM, CAI, ALA, AGB.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting DABVF (Reply 12):
The first routes of the new A340-600 will be LH 432 FRA-ORD and LH 754 FRA-BLR

Well, if FRA-ORD starts with such aircraft in late summer, the first one(s) will likely be delivered a week or so earlier.
Maybe somebody could post the exact start date for the A346 FRA-ORD route with F ?

Mayrhuber has recently said in interviews that F is extremely important for them.

Also, the combination of intercontinental F flights together with a bizjet hop inside Europe has developed much better than LH and NetJets thought.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 4):
think that JFK-MUC would be a perfect fit for the aircraft and a very strong possibility.

Do you happen to know more about the load factors ?
I flew MUC-JFK in May last year (A343) and I tell you no seat was left open.

Also, I think an additional A346 in MUC could be combined with the A346 to SFO, but that route currently has no F. Could F be viable on MUC-SFO ?

With some schedule adjustments, 2 A346s would be needed in MUC for JFK and SFO routes: aircraft would fly MUC-JFK-MUC-SFO-MUC. This can be done in 48 hours.



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User currently offlineDairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3949 times:

LH 432/433 to Chicago with new LH A346 is to start on Friday September 16, 2006

LH 754/755 to Bangalore with new LH A346 will start on Sunday October 15, 2006



A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
User currently offlineDairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting Airtropolis (Reply 19):
There have actually been some rumours on the flyertalk LH/LX forums that LH intends to convert 4 of their A300-600s to intercontinental layouts with business class for flights to Almaty etc. This may relieve some of the long haul aircraft shortage. I wonder if anyone has more news on these plans or can at least confirm them?

My information is, that only two (2!) Airbus A300-600C (AB6) will be converted to Airbus A300-600 with intercontiental layout (ABA). These two aircrafts will be DAIAM and DAIAP



A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
User currently offlineDairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 11):
Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it. I am guessing late 2006 and early 2007.

Deliverance will be

D-AIHM August 2006
D-AIHN September 2006
D-AIHO October 2006
D-AIHP November 2006
D-AIHQ January 2007
D-AIHR February 2007
D-AIHS March 2007



A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
25 Dairy : You are absolutely right. MUC-SFO will be changed to Airbus A340-642 (34D) with F-Class within Sommer-Schedule 2007.
26 Post contains links and images Columba : Yeah, but they seem very reluctant to do anything against it. I am very excited about LH´s new long range order and can´t wait to its announcement.
27 HB-IWC : Those will be replacing the A332s then, I presume. LH did fly these aircraft transatlantic a couple of years ago. At a certain point, BOS was served
28 A342 : Thanks for this information.
29 LTU932 : Curious, those two are A300B4-603s, not extended range A300B4-605Rs. How many -605Rs has LH still left? I checked Airfleets and it shows that LH stil
30 PM : A week or two ago I flew FRA-KIX-FRA on LH A346s [D-AIHF, D-AIHK] (out in Economy and back in Business) and they seemed to have aged quickly. I hope t
31 LEO777 : I thougt airlines were having problems with the A346 @ ORD? Have the turning problems been resolved or are is LH just going ahead anyways?
32 LHUSA : I thought the same thing, but I guess it's just some restrictions as to which runways and taxiways the plane is permitted to use. I've seen IB's A346
33 Post contains images CRJ900 : Perhaps it is due for a decent spring-clean, as in C-check...
34 HT : Currently there's the following in LH's winter timetable: - LH 526 (A346) daily FRA-GRU-SCL - LX 096 (A343) 5pw ZRH-GRU-SCL Q: Does the market "SCL"
35 Horus : LH will not be operating the AB6 to CAI, instead CAI which until recently saw the A330 operate it's 14x weekly services, now has the A343 operating 2
36 BlrBird : Dairy, thanks for the info.
37 HB-IWC : Actually, the AB6 is already loaded in the computer reservation systems for next winter to CAI. The aircraft will operate a daily terminator service
38 LTU932 : Just a question: will those aircraft be A340-600 HGWs or standard A346s?
39 Horus : HB-IWC, Thanks for the update. I just noticed the change on the schedule. A definite surprise but more of a disappointment. I was seriously planning t
40 CRJ900 : Now that the A346HGW has been certified, all deliveries onwards will be HGW versions, IIRC.
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