Delta777-XXX From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 6 Posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 459 times:
I am in Atlanta! I want to fly on a non-us airline. Domestic... for under $200. Anyone have any ideas? I want to ride in the flightdeck so bad I can't hardly stand it. And the US airlines don't allow it! Please help me!
CXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 371 times:
The USA government do not allow that non-US ailrines operate domestic flight in US. Although some Asian Airlines operates flight between two US cities. But these flight is international flight. Such as JAL: Tokyo/Narita->Los Angles->Las Vegas. You cannot travel from Los Angles to Las Vegas. You just can travel from Narita to Los Angles or Narita to Las Vegas. If you want to visit the cockpit, you can travel Cathay Pacfic, Singapore Airlines.
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Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2526 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 359 times:
That's right, CXCPA.
Under international law, it is almost forbidden to operate a domestic flight in a country unless your company is based there. This principle is called the fifth freedom, but since almost every country opts out on the fifth freedom principle, it hardly is a freedom...
The only exception to that is the European Union, where a carrier from a memberstate can operate flights between two other member states or even within one member state without exceptions!!!
I'm sorry, Delta777-xxx, but you'll have to travel outside the USA if you want to fly on the flightdeck...
BTW - it is very common to have guests on the flightdeck in Europe. I don't see why it is forbidden in the US...
FLY777UAL From United States, joined May 1999, 4483 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 305 times:
If you know someone in "the industry" who has access to buddy passes for you, I believe that you are able to use ID-90/-75 passes for international airlines operating within the US.
KALB From United States, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 255 times:
I think the FAA made the regulation forbidding passenger visits to the flight deck back in the 1970s when hijacking of airliners was occuring very frequently. I don't see the FAA rescinding the reg. anytime soon. For those of us who live close enough to Canada (I live 160 miles from Montreal), Air Canada gives us hope of visits to the flight deck.
Nycank From United States, joined May 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 225 times:
Sabenapilot: You are mistaking the fifth for
"cabotage" covered under eighth freedom. This
freedom allows one to carry pax and cargo within the borders of another country.
Fifth allows to carry pax from second country to
a third without going back to the airline's
flag country.
Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2526 posts, RR: 31 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 205 times:
To Nycank:
fifth or eight, I don't know, but I know none of them are allowed in the USA, so there is no way our friend Delta777-XXX can board a foreign plane in one US city and disembark in another US city.
In Europe it is perfectly OK for a EU carrier (British Airways) to fly a French domestic flight (Marseille - Paris and back) or a flight Paris - Rome and back.
the exemples are fictional BTW.
To Delta777-XXX:
One advice, just ask it!
You have no right to be there, so you can not claim the jumpseat, but it is not forbidden neighter, so if you're a nice guy, I don't see why they would refuse it to you!
We at Sabena often have guests on the flightdeck and when we are overbooked, we even have pax riding along on the jumpseats! Maybe you can hardly immagine this, but these pax get a financial compensation for this discomfort too, whereas you might want to pay just to get there...
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