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Why Do They Have Gaps With No Windows?  
User currently offlineLawrenceMck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 311 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Why is it that on aircraft such as the 757 or 767 they have seats with no windows? Why is it necessary for Boeing to miss a window out?
All feedback welcomed.

Lawrence  Wink


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21556 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Generally this is where the air duct comes up from the packs (below the passenger floor) to the air vents (above the cabin).

I sat next to this on a 744 once. Besides having no view, it was noisy as hell from all the air rushing through the vent. I hate those seats.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLawrenceMck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
I sat next to this on a 744 once.

I had this problem on a 742, terrible seats. Thanks for your feedback, never knew that.

Lawrence

[Edited 2006-05-29 21:04:52]  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2006-05-29 21:05:18]


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User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

As far as I know, all planes have this. Including 737,747,777 and Airbus. I flew BMIbaby a while ago and got the only seat in the house with no window! I was literally p*ssed off and demanded a new seat, so they gave me a overwing exit seat Big grin


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21556 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 3):
As far as I know, all planes have this. Including 737,747,777 and Airbus.

The bigger Airbi have it, but in my experience, the A32X do not. Looking at my technical cutaway, the A319 has smaller ducts running up the cabin wall between the windows - I assume the 318, 320 and 321 would be the same way.

Why they have that instead of a bigger one, I'm not sure.

-Mir



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

I've run intot this problem on UA's 763s. Seatguru will point out any windowless seat for those that insist on seeing what's out there...


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

B737-200 had six small ducts on each side of the fuselage, and no missing windows. But when the B737-300 was designed the ducts had to be bigger, so a single large duct was installed instead with a missing window.

User currently offlineRktsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
The bigger Airbi have it, but in my experience, the A32X do not. Looking at my technical cutaway, the A319 has smaller ducts running up the cabin wall between the windows - I assume the 318, 320 and 321 would be the same way.

US A321s have it. Just sat next to it in row 13 on a recent PHL-PHX flight.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Quoting Rktsci (Reply 7):
US A321s have it. Just sat next to it in row 13 on a recent PHL-PHX flight

Was this just aft of the Nbr 2 door? All BA A319/320/321 have small air riser ducts between each window to take the incoming air up to the overhead distribution duct. There are no large ducts , and no missing windows for air con purposes.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21503 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Boeing tends to put this "blank" next to the engines on the narrowbody jets with some extra structural reinforcement to add another layer of protection against an uncontained fan blade failure.

I always avoid this seat on the Boeings.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Some times there are lavatories located there too not just in the middle of the aisle.

User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Often when an airplane is originally ordered, no windows or window cutouts were installed in areas where lavatories and galleys are to be located. Eventually with changes in configurations and/or operators, seats are installed at these locations. The result is a seat row with no window.

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
I've run intot this problem on UA's 763s

767 have conditioned air riser ducting and blank sidewalls forward of door 2 at approximately STA 700 and 740.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Boeing tends to put this "blank" next to the engines on the narrowbody jets with some extra structural reinforcement to add another layer of protection against an uncontained fan blade failure.

Not correct.
As stated in relpy 2, it's for conditioned air ducting.

Quoting Broke (Reply 11):
Often when an airplane is originally ordered, no windows or window cutouts were installed in areas where lavatories and galleys are to be located. Eventually with changes in configurations and/or operators, seats are installed at these locations. The result is a seat row with no window.

Most often, there is no sidewall panel behind the lavs and galleys in the delivered configuration. No reason for it and it would just add weight.

Tod


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