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JetBlue PHX-BOS Red Eye Only?  
User currently offlineOnetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Let me start off by saying that I am NOT trying to criticize JetBlue management, because I know they are the pro's and I am a nobody. Rather, I am simply curious as to why the one daily non-stop that JetBlue offers between PHX and BOS is a Red Eye (Departs 10pm moutain, arrives 6am eastern)? Testing the route out? No equipment available? Other logistical concerns? It would seem to me that if you had one daily nonstop, you would want to offer it around noon time, and then build additional flights out around that time. Why you'd go straight to a Red Eye perplexes me immensely, if anyone could help explain this reasoning to me, I'd highly appreciate it.

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

By operating a redeye on PHX-BOS, jetBlue can use the aircraft on other profitable routes such as BOS-FLL during the day and then have the aircraft flying through the night as well. It maximizes profitability.

Even though some people find them inconvenient (although an equal number prefer them), people will still take them for the low fares and high-quality service.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Also, B6 faces some serious competition from hometown carrier America West. HP offers three round trip flights a day - during the daytime. Overnight flights on HP are always routed via LAS. Perfect time for B6 to have a route & time all to itself!


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
Even though some people find them inconvenient (although an equal number prefer them), people will still take them for the low fares and high-quality service.

Its also convenient for business travelers who fly on the redeye to their destination, freshen up, go to meetings all day, and then take the return flight home.

This is how JetBlue first started flying west coast flights. They had a bunch of aircraft remaining at JFK overnight so they figured they would send a plane out rather then take up space at JFK. Thats how DEN started, then ONT, etc.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

And to a lesser extent...while B6 is building its market in Phoenix...there is less of a chance for taking a weight penalty given the area's propensity for high temps.
This way, at least they are sure to go out full.
Nothing like starting a route...and having to block 20 seats.

But in reality...PHX is no different than many of the west coast cities...SEA, SMF, PDX, ONT, all started as red-eyes. (And that is all some still have.)



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 4092 times:

US is supposed to be adding a 4th PHX-BOS flight with East metal...haven't seen it loaded in SHARES yet though...perhaps it will be a red-eye to compete with JetBlue...we had a red-eye from PHX a few years back...though the loads were rather low most of the time.

User currently offlineOnetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
But in reality...PHX is no different than many of the west coast cities...SEA, SMF, PDX, ONT, all started as red-eyes. (And that is all some still have.)

Interesting. I did not know that. I personally hope B6 adds more PHX-BOS service, as US/HP is miserable to fly.


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting Onetogo (Reply 6):
Interesting. I did not know that. I personally hope B6 adds more PHX-BOS service, as US/HP is miserable to fly.

Well we added a second JFK-PHX (daytime) so I'm sure you can make an easy connection to BOS in JFK!


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 7):
Well we added a second JFK-PHX (daytime) so I'm sure you can make an easy connection to BOS in JFK!

It's a very say day when B6 is relying heavily on connecting pax at JFK....It should be discouraged whenever possible.


User currently offlineJetBlueRamper From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Like someone said they offer that one so they can fly all the planes on the money routes. They may add more flights in there when the fuel goes down.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 5):
US is supposed to be adding a 4th PHX-BOS flight with East metal...haven't seen it loaded in SHARES yet though...perhaps it will be a red-eye to compete with JetBlue...we had a red-eye from PHX a few years back...though the loads were rather low most of the time.

It seems as if HP/US has upgraded some of the BOS-PHX-BOS flights to a 752. On a couple of occasions in the past week when I was up home visiting, I saw some HP 752s coming in doing the PHX route. Does anyone know if this is only a summer thing?


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

for about a year and a half after the started service here, jetBlue only offered the one JFK red-eye from Phoenix. It wasn't until earlier this month they finally added a daytime JFK trip..... so if BOS turns out good for them from here I can see them eventually adding more, but I don't see that happening for a while...


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User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

I just flew the BOS-PHX run two weeks ago, and for just launching the route the same month maybe 2 weeks before my travel and the flight was pretty full. Looks like people in PHX and in BOS like B6. I don't expect much more expansion in PHX as B6 has publicly stated that they are looking to fly routes that there is little or no competition on.

On a side note while in PHX I went kayaking on Lake Tempe and got to see the HP/US building which is modest but quite nice! You people in PHX/Tempe have a beautiful city!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

In summary, JetBlue likes adding east-west routes with a redeye and then expand the market if necessary. If I recall the timing correctly, this is how they handled service to DEN and SEA.

A redeye costs very little for JetBlue to run because the alternative is for the aircraft to be sitting on the ground somewhere. In the case of PHX, it is almost a no-brainer to have BOS service because they already have a redeye to JFK.

Clearly HP/US own the market from PHX to BOS but it is healthy for both airlines to have some competition.



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
It's a very say day when B6 is relying heavily on connecting pax at JFK....It should be discouraged whenever possible.

Im not saying that B6 should rely on connecting pax, what I'm saying is it is just another option for a customer to fly PHX-JFK-BOS in the daytime rather then the PHX-BOS redeye.


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