Onetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5316 times:
Let me start off by saying that I am NOT trying to criticize JetBlue management, because I know they are the pro's and I am a nobody. Rather, I am simply curious as to why the one daily non-stop that JetBlue offers between PHX and BOS is a Red Eye (Departs 10pm moutain, arrives 6am eastern)? Testing the route out? No equipment available? Other logistical concerns? It would seem to me that if you had one daily nonstop, you would want to offer it around noon time, and then build additional flights out around that time. Why you'd go straight to a Red Eye perplexes me immensely, if anyone could help explain this reasoning to me, I'd highly appreciate it.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5306 times:
By operating a redeye on PHX-BOS, jetBlue can use the aircraft on other profitable routes such as BOS-FLL during the day and then have the aircraft flying through the night as well. It maximizes profitability.
Even though some people find them inconvenient (although an equal number prefer them), people will still take them for the low fares and high-quality service.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5284 times:
Also, B6 faces some serious competition from hometown carrier America West. HP offers three round trip flights a day - during the daytime. Overnight flights on HP are always routed via LAS. Perfect time for B6 to have a route & time all to itself!
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FA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1): Even though some people find them inconvenient (although an equal number prefer them), people will still take them for the low fares and high-quality service.
Its also convenient for business travelers who fly on the redeye to their destination, freshen up, go to meetings all day, and then take the return flight home.
This is how JetBlue first started flying west coast flights. They had a bunch of aircraft remaining at JFK overnight so they figured they would send a plane out rather then take up space at JFK. Thats how DEN started, then ONT, etc.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5220 times:
And to a lesser extent...while B6 is building its market in Phoenix...there is less of a chance for taking a weight penalty given the area's propensity for high temps.
This way, at least they are sure to go out full.
Nothing like starting a route...and having to block 20 seats.
But in reality...PHX is no different than many of the west coast cities...SEA, SMF, PDX, ONT, all started as red-eyes. (And that is all some still have.)
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 22 hours ago) and read 5125 times:
US is supposed to be adding a 4th PHX-BOS flight with East metal...haven't seen it loaded in SHARES yet though...perhaps it will be a red-eye to compete with JetBlue...we had a red-eye from PHX a few years back...though the loads were rather low most of the time.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 4904 times:
Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 5): US is supposed to be adding a 4th PHX-BOS flight with East metal...haven't seen it loaded in SHARES yet though...perhaps it will be a red-eye to compete with JetBlue...we had a red-eye from PHX a few years back...though the loads were rather low most of the time.
It seems as if HP/US has upgraded some of the BOS-PHX-BOS flights to a 752. On a couple of occasions in the past week when I was up home visiting, I saw some HP 752s coming in doing the PHX route. Does anyone know if this is only a summer thing?
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2457 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (10 years 15 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
for about a year and a half after the started service here, jetBlue only offered the one JFK red-eye from Phoenix. It wasn't until earlier this month they finally added a daytime JFK trip..... so if BOS turns out good for them from here I can see them eventually adding more, but I don't see that happening for a while...
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 hours ago) and read 4825 times:
I just flew the BOS-PHX run two weeks ago, and for just launching the route the same month maybe 2 weeks before my travel and the flight was pretty full. Looks like people in PHX and in BOS like B6. I don't expect much more expansion in PHX as B6 has publicly stated that they are looking to fly routes that there is little or no competition on.
On a side note while in PHX I went kayaking on Lake Tempe and got to see the HP/US building which is modest but quite nice! You people in PHX/Tempe have a beautiful city!
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 hours ago) and read 4770 times:
In summary, JetBlue likes adding east-west routes with a redeye and then expand the market if necessary. If I recall the timing correctly, this is how they handled service to DEN and SEA.
A redeye costs very little for JetBlue to run because the alternative is for the aircraft to be sitting on the ground somewhere. In the case of PHX, it is almost a no-brainer to have BOS service because they already have a redeye to JFK.
Clearly HP/US own the market from PHX to BOS but it is healthy for both airlines to have some competition.