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SQ Seeks Lucrative Los Angeles-Sydney, 'AGAIN'  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

Singapore really wants a piece of this route..

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19303706-31037,00.html

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12265 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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Competition on a route is what countrys need. Just look at the SYD-AKL market for instance. AKLs three biggest operators (NZ, QF and EK) have daily flights on the SYD-AKL market (same with BNE-AKL and MEL-AKL). Prices on those routes have dropped over the last few years and now more and more passengers who normally couldn't afford to fly now have a bigger choice of airlines, with each airline always under-cutting the other airlines in a bid to get their seats filled by our bums. The smaller airlines operating the Tasman out of AKL like AR who only have 1 or 2 flights per week are also giving the bigger airlines a run for their money. When the Australian Government blocked SQs access to the SYD-LAX market etc, it proved that they were protecting QF and bending over backwards AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AUSTRALIAN MARKET. Yes even thou SQ would get bigger profits with the route the Australian market would also benefit because of SQs passengers buying hotel rooms for the night, buying food, tours, airfares of QF and DJ etc. The sooner SQ is allowed into the markey then the sooner Australia will benefit

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Yes even thou SQ would get bigger profits with the route the Australian market would also benefit because of SQs passengers buying hotel rooms for the night, buying food, tours, airfares of QF and DJ etc. The sooner SQ is allowed into the markey then the sooner Australia will benefit

Why should SQ get access to the SYD-LAX market? I would argue the only reason why SQ should be allowed to run that route is if QF were carrying significant 6th freedom traffic between SIN and LAX via SYD.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12265 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8611 times:
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Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):
I would argue the only reason why SQ should be allowed to run that route is if QF were carrying significant 6th freedom traffic between SIN and LAX via SYD.

QF do have heaps of flights from SIN

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):
Why should SQ get access to the SYD-LAX market?

The same can be said for EKs Australia and New Zealand flights and SQs Australia flights to SIN. Its in the interest of competition and the Australian market. If those airlines didn't operate to Australia then Australia wouldn't be getting the profits from those airlines passengers because of less flights. I seriously doubt QF would even offer as many flights as what EK and SQ offer. QFs main focus for long haul is SYD, while SQ and EK also offer excellent flights from basically all International airports in Australia to DXB and SIN


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8600 times:

Before anyone starts posting about open skies and free trade, yadda yadda yadda again, I hope they qualify what they say by naming routes that are outside of natural paths and connection points that have been granted by governments in the past.

SIN-LAX via SYD just doesn't seem to fit the bill.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

Sometimes it amazes me just how unfree the "free market" can be at times...

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):

Why should SQ get access to the SYD-LAX market?

Because free and open competition would benefit the citizens of Australia. Sadly, the policy of the australian gummint is to screw over the citizens of Australia in order to inflate QF's profits. Let Australians benefit from free competition! Let QF fend for itself in a free (not protected) market.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
Sadly, the policy of the australian gummint is to screw over the citizens of Australia in order to inflate QF's profits.

Just for fun, lay the odds on the governments of Australia, Argentina and the United States approving a Qantas routing of SYD-EZE-JFK with full traffic routes on each sector.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5723 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8526 times:
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Wonder how Singapore (Airlines or Govt) would react to a request from Qantas to fly SIN-HKG/PVG/PEK etc.. would object violently I would guess!


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8497 times:

Okay, maybe SYD-EZE-JFK was too hard for all you free traders out there.

How about laying the odds on the governments of China, South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States authorizing Cathay Pacific to extend their current HKG-JNB flight to HKG-JNB-LHR-DFW? Bring a little 5th freedom oneworld sugar to the LHR-DFW route that no U.S. or U.K. airline may currently fly.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Wonder how Singapore (Airlines or Govt) would react to a request from Qantas to fly SIN-HKG/PVG/PEK etc.. would object violently I would guess!

Qantas used to fly Singapore-Hong Kong daily...



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
How about laying the odds on the governments of China, South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States authorizing Cathay Pacific to extend their current HKG-JNB flight to HKG-JNB-LHR-DFW? Bring a little 5th freedom oneworld sugar to the LHR-DFW route that no U.S. or U.K. airline may currently fly.

As far as I know, CX has the authority to fly LHR-JFK. They just don't have the slots and aren't going to cut frequency on the HKG run or purchase new pricey LHR slots.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Wonder how Singapore (Airlines or Govt) would react to a request from Qantas to fly SIN-HKG/PVG/PEK etc.. would object violently I would guess!

Well JQ Asia is based in SIN ... and SIN is a major hub for QF. So QF really has nothing to complain about.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Wonder how Singapore (Airlines or Govt) would react to a request from Qantas to fly SIN-HKG/PVG/PEK etc.. would object violently I would guess!

I'm fairly sure they have completely open skies. Don't they?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
As far as I know, CX has the authority to fly LHR-JFK.

I think they do too, but that wasn't my question.



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User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Why not SQ on BNE - LAX?!?!?!

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Question, if SQ was after SFO-SYD, instead of LAX, will they be allowed?

-And again, what about Air Canada flying this route with their soon to come 777s? Why is AC allowed, but SQ isn't?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
-And again, what about Air Canada flying this route with their soon to come 777s? Why is AC allowed, but SQ isn't?

It's because of the new open skies between the U.S. and Canada, and LAX is a natural stopover/connecting point between Canada and Australia. Notice AC didn't file for YYZ-LAX-NRT-SYD, or something.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5723 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8399 times:
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 10):
Qantas used to fly Singapore-Hong Kong daily...

OK stand corrected on that.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 12):
Well JQ Asia is based in SIN ... and SIN is a major hub for QF.

JQ Asia does have a significant local Shareholding
Sure SIN is a major hub for QF but as an onward hub for "natural" routes and with not so much local O&D, that would not be the case for a SQ SYD-USA route, few of their traditional customers would utilise the route it's sole purpose would be to further devide the existing market. Sure there may be some justification for competition but I think the route will have enough of that with DJ, JQ Intl. additional AC capacity.



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
-And again, what about Air Canada flying this route with their soon to come 777s? Why is AC allowed, but SQ isn't?

AC already has rights, they simply are moving them (I think, or are they still going to run HNL-SYD?) from HNL to LAX. As for CX I do not believe they got rights to fly JFK-LHR. If they had I'm sure they'd be flying it! They were very keen on the route.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 19):
As for CX I do not believe they got rights to fly JFK-LHR. If they had I'm sure they'd be flying it! They were very keen on the route.

VS is flying HKG-SYD...I'm pretty sure that that CX was awarded the LHR-JFK authority in return.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20782 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
VS is flying HKG-SYD...I'm pretty sure that that CX was awarded the LHR-JFK authority in return.

That's correct, I just looked it up. There's a reference to it here:

http://www.vpmag.com/yssy/viewtopic....d=e1c11c83cc12dd185102448a7c16efe7

But still, HKG-LHR-JFK is a natural path. SIN-SYD-LAX is not.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Wonder how Singapore (Airlines or Govt) would react to a request from Qantas to fly SIN-HKG/PVG/PEK etc.. would object violently I would guess!

I'm sure SQ would be less than pleased, but the gummint of Singapore should welcome it.

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 15):
Why not SQ on BNE - LAX?!?!?!

BNE-LAX is a low-yield route.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 19):
AC already has rights, they simply are moving them (I think, or are they still going to run HNL-SYD?) from HNL to LAX.

Apparently the YVR/HNL route is here to stay.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
That's correct, I just looked it up. There's a reference to it here:

Yeah that's what I remember...And I'm pretty sure the EU eventually approved it as well.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
But still, HKG-LHR-JFK is a natural path. SIN-SYD-LAX is not.

I don't think it has anything to do with physical flight paths. But they are surely similar in 5th freedom concepts, how important the routes are, etc.


25 PhilSquares : Last time I looked the majority share holder of Jetstar Asia was QF. QF has beyond rights to any place from SIN. One of the major issues, just look a
26 AeroWesty : Sure it does. Go back to my first question: "Name routes that are outside of natural paths and connection points that have been granted by government
27 Gemuser : Not majority - 49% I belive. Its still a SIN company. Gemuser
28 RJpieces : Besides your opinion, what is this based on? If CX ever operated LHR-JFK, it would be an extension of a natural path but surely not natural territory
29 AeroWesty : Well that's the point of a 5th freedom. Just like AI enjoys on DEL-LHR-JFK. Go back to my other examples. What are the chances those governments woul
30 Post contains images Zvezda : Well said! Given the abundance of historical economic data, it is stunning that anyone can still argue for protectionism with a straight face.
31 RJpieces : Except AI's JFK-LHR service overlaps the JFK-India flightpath. If CX ever operated LHR-JFK, it would be the "unnatural paths to cherry pick routes" y
32 Gemuser : I totally agree with this point of view, IF it applied in this sitution, however it appeares that it does not. According to the report in Australian
33 AeroWesty : Oh hogwash. HKG-LHR-JFK-HKG is a perfectly acceptable round-the-world routing.
34 6thfreedom : What has the past got to do with it. SQ are pioneers in every respect. We have seen what can happen to the industry if it refuses to change with the
35 AeroWesty : Hmm, you're the second or third person to ask this without even taking a stab at my placing the odds question. If everyone is so gung-ho on any airli
36 RJpieces : Except most of the people flying those routes would be O&D pax. I seriously doubt anyone would fly JFK-LHR-HKG. And even if it is a round-the-world r
37 Atmx2000 : I disagree. Singapore traded 5th freedom rights from SIN for more flights to the Australia so that it could carry more 6th freedom traffic to and fro
38 AeroWesty : You keep making all these assumptions without answering my original question. Guess it's too hard for you folks.
39 RJpieces : I'd have absolutely zero problem with that. I've mentioned this in several threads over the years (most recently when Hamburg-JFK service was announc
40 6thfreedom : We're not talking about airlines flying anywhere. Let's look at this case in its own right. Australian carriers have full rights over SIN to any plac
41 PhilSquares : I suggest you take a look at Jetstar Asia, and then answer my post again. Supposedly, the original quid quo pro, was Jetstar Asia for OZ-US traffic r
42 Zvezda : I disagree. The reasonable approach is not let the bureaucrats interfere with the market unless a compelling reason can be shown why it is necessary.
43 AeroWesty : That's an interesting piece of the puzzle. If that's the case, then Australia should allow SQ to fly the route, and not back down on their agreement.
44 RJpieces : And you keep ignoring everything that is said, instead choosing to focus on your original question which you already answered. Like to hear yourself
45 Post contains images AeroWesty : It was an appropriate question. Everyone kept saying that historical paths should be ignored, and I wanted to see what the reaction would be to simil
46 Broocy : The dynamics of air travel, which is heavily reliant on geographic positioning in the world, means that there will never be a "level" playing field. I
47 Travelin man : Well, I think it's been answered, but let me take a shot: UA Flight 1 used to go LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-(JFK, IAD, or LAX, not sure). NZ currently offers an
48 AeroWesty : Certainly they are, look where the airlines you gave as examples are based. But it's really a moot point now. Apparently Australia traded JetstarAsia
49 Atmx2000 : And SQ can pickup Australian pax and fly them to whatever point they want, provided SIN is an intermediate point. The reciprocity is perfect. JetStar
50 Aerokiwi : What an odd argument. Your examples include the Argentinian government. Hardly a proponent of free trade and open-markets. The Australians, however,
51 6thfreedom : How is the reciprocity perfect? QF can base aircraft in SIN, and fly to points that do not include an Australian sector. This is what it is effective
52 Post contains images AeroWesty : I made it odd specifically. An example of something quite out of the way with a protectionist government in the middle, to see if the free traders wo
53 Atmx2000 : The point is they have equal access to a shared market that is created by the advantageous location of Singapore in relation to Australia and the res
54 MEL007 : Singapore Airlines is actually seeking "seventh freedom right" between SYD and LAX disguised as fifth freedom right. In another words, there is going
55 Zvezda : Yes, exactly. No, you didn't. You asked what we thought the odds were that the respective gummints would approve it. An altogether different kettle o
56 AeroWesty : Since you were the only one who even made a stab at it earlier, I'll accept that. It really was done with the intention of defining whether or not so
57 Gemuser : I have not heard that one!!! Do you have a source? Seems odd as Jetstar Asia is majority owned by SIN intrests. Gemuser
58 Zvezda : I have Gold cards with both SQ and UA and IMO SQ replacing UA would be a huge benefit to the consumer. However, I'm not convinced that UA would be fo
59 EK413 : 777ER Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2): I would argue the only reason why SQ should be allowed to run that route is if QF were carrying significant 6th free
60 777ER : No I havnt been to SIN yet. But I do know that QF has a big hub at SIN and QF are crying foul over SQ wanting to fly SYD-LAX. Poor cry baby QF and it
61 Post contains links and images EK413 : Just a taste of the scenery at Changi on a daily basis!!! You might even think these images are taken in Australia and NOT Singapore Changi..... View
62 Mariner : Good luck, SQ: I'm still waiting for the day that Australian Government actually allows the Single Aviation Market between Oz and NZ that was agreed t
63 6thfreedom : Isn't this more or less going to happen with the proposal Tasman Agreement currently being considered by the consumer commission. NZ and QF to codesh
64 Gemuser : What are you on about? It was implemented over 10 years ago!!!! A couple of years late granted, but it is done. Gemuser
65 Zeke : Phil I read in the paper that QF only have 42% of 3K. Nothing is stopping SQ from buying 49% of JQ/VB etc and operating trans pacific services in a s
66 StarGoldLHR : [quote=RJpieces,reply=39]that American and European airlines will be screwed once airlines like Emirates enter the trans-atlantic market... However, I
67 Mariner : Air New Zealand can fly domestic routes in Australia? Gee, that's good news. When does that happen? When did the Australian government change their m
68 Flying-B773 : Of course we all have our own arguements from our own point of view. We are saying QF might shift its asian hub from SIN to BKK/KUL... That is actuall
69 Antskip : news to me too. I believe the withdrawal of their matching offer of rights within Australia was the reason NZ bought the lemon Ansett! QF just loved
70 6thfreedom : What absolute rubbish! Yield has nothing to do with a little extra flying. If you are seriously trying to say that there is more F and J class traffi
71 Post contains images NZ8800 : Very good points Mariner [reply 62], Antskip [reply 67] Where IS Air New Zealand on the Australian Domestic Market? That was why they bought that Anse
72 ClassicLover : The thread is quite clouded by comparisons with other issues, and so on and so forth. You will find that the majority of pax on QFs SYD-LHR via wherev
73 Zeke : The extra distance on the SIN-LHR sector costs about 2.5t of payload reduction than operating from KUL, which is either 25 pax, or 2.5t of freight, B
74 PhilSquares : Easy pickings, I think not. More competitived I agree. Perhaps you could refresh my memory or routes SQ has pulled out of and not put MI in there. If
75 Post contains links Mariner : Wikipedia isn't necessarily the most reliable source, but it does sum up the situation in ways I believe were correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A
76 ClassicLover : Oh pish posh! Explain to my why the US airlines aren't clamoring for Australia-US services? Before you say, "they have no money!" why wasn't this hap
77 Post contains images Mariner : Explain what? I agree - many US airlines tried and failed, and I'll add CO to that list. I agree. I am discussing Air NZ's supposed rights to fly Aus
78 Post contains images ClassicLover : Sorry, I was just quoting your line - incorrectly. It was more the rest of the thread I was aiming at, not you or what you said
79 Zeke : I dont know the exact destinations just know that the 777 was pulled off some routes. Did I say that in this thread ? My understanding that under the
80 Post contains links PhilSquares : Well then how could you make the statement. What has actually happened is there has been an equipment shift with Silkair doing multiple flights to de
81 Post contains links Antskip : Maybe SQ knew about yesterday's code-share tie-up between QF, JQ and JQ-Asia: http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...eal/2006/05/30/1148956345127.html
82 Sllevin : That would be a bad assumption. A very non-trivial number of people fly from the US east coast to Asia via Europe. Even from JFK and EWR -- the only
83 Antskip : I would think having well-off neighours is a very good thing. Australia is well-off, and doing very well for itself. It shouldn't mind others being w
84 Sllevin : In the abstract, of course. But in the specifics of the the SYD-LAX market, it isa zero-sum game. That is, the odds of SQ stimulating new growth is u
85 Post contains links Antskip : If it really is a zero-sum game, then I entirely agree. I don't want existing seats to merely shift from QF to SQ. All depends on whether it really i
86 Zeke : Would it be accurate to say SQ used to fly to Brussels, Chicago, Guam, Honolulu, Las Vegas, Madrid, Malta, Mauritius, Shengen and Surabaya. I dont wo
87 PhilSquares : Oh, I understand it now. I provided you the link and now you don't believe it. Well, I guess you're the expert and I really shouldn't do mental gymnas
88 Zvezda : No such thing has been demonstrated. That would be a good thing. Good service, low fares. That's not how economics works. The economy is global. Maki
89 Zeke : Phil I applaud you for being so supportive of your company. An accountant can bury costs anywhere in an organisation they like. Industry standard loa
90 Zvezda : An accountant's job is not to hide a company's financial situation; it is to make the situation clear. Your suggestion to the contrary is offensive.
91 PhilSquares : SQ operates thrice weekly DUB-CPH-DXB-SIN freighters and once LHR-DUB-DXB-SIN. The agreement gives SQ beyond rights anyplace from DUB. Well, since it
92 Post contains images NZ8800 : Sorry I couldn't resist - did you mean EK - Emirates? OK is CSA Czech Airlines.
93 MEL007 : The most compelling argument to allow SQ to operate the SYD - LAX sector is that competition would bring benefits to consumer and the industry in gene
94 Zeke : Its not hiding the financial situation, it putting them is logical cost centers they are directed to by their managers. The overall SQ financial situ
95 Singapore_Air : The anti-open skies movement once again have come up with nothing quantifiable, just a load of innuendo, personal opinions and an atlas, which do not
96 Post contains links and images ClassicLover : Damned lucky Here's some bona fide research for you from the Australian Government Parliamentary Library web page - http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pub
97 Zvezda : What you're alleging would be criminal securities fraud in most jurisdictions. You shouldn't make criminal allegations unless you can back them up wi
98 ZK-NBT : Really? They codeshare with DJ! They don't have any codeshares with QF!
99 6thfreedom : .... yes, they codeshare with DJ, and PER/OOL/BNE/CNS hardly qualify as LOTS OF PORTS in Oz...
100 Sllevin : Again, I must disagree. Let's look at our hypothetical free market a bit broader. Salaries plummet to near zero levels, as, for struggling countries,
101 Zeke : The simplest and most transparent example I can give you is pilot training of of the cadets at Singapore Flying College, these were funded by the SIA
102 Post contains images EK413 : Zeke Understand that the Singapore government invited QF to operate from SIN over KUL BKK etc. If this is the case then I believe Singapore Airlines h
103 Post contains links QANTAS077 : looks like the door has been slammed shut yet again... SingAir locked out of US route By Shane Wright June 14, 2006 A FRESH effort by Singapore Airlin
104 Juventus : I read that today, SQ asked the Australian government to reconsider. I ask again, why not try SFO-SYD?????????
105 Post contains links PhilSquares : Take a look at what JetStar is looking for. Fair play???? http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/399566_web.pdf
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