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AM. Samoa Governor Threatens Hawaiian Airlines  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

American Samoa's Governor, Togiola Tulafono has sent an ultimatum to Hawaiian Airlines CEO Mark Dunkerley stating his demands that must be met within 45 days or he threatens a class action lawsuit against the airline.
Among his demands are:

1) Roundtrip Airfares between PPG and HNL must be lowered to $500.00.

2)"Hawaiian is to eliminate the international category for fees, charges and penalties imposed on passenger and cargo and bring them in line with what the carrier charges to other American points."

3)"Hawaiian is to put all Honolulu-based personnel who fly the Pago Pago route through at least a one-day course of how to behave with courtesy, competence and caring towards American Samoa passengers."

The Governor continues his tirade calling HA's CEO arrogant, and accusing HA's flight attendants of discrimination. He sights as an example that HA flight attendants charge Samoan passengers $5.00 to use their own headsets to watch the inflight videos. For the record, this is HA's policy on ALL flights (except SYD).

As a side note, I regularly worked HA's flights between HNL and PPG for several years before our HNL to SYD flights began and have had many encounters with the honorable Governor Tulafono. In all of my experiences with him, I have not once heard the words "please", "may I" , or "thank you" ever leave his lips.

Full article can be read here:

http://www.pacificislands.cc/pina/pinadefault2.php?urlpinaid=22229

Aloha,
HALFA


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
2)"Hawaiian is to eliminate the international category for fees, charges and penalties imposed on passenger and cargo and bring them in line with what the carrier charges to other American points."

Is this flight covered by the Warsaw Pact or is it covered by US domestic FAA regulations?



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

The only point I see that is valid would be the elimination of the international fees. If American Samoa is truly part of the U.S., then international fees are inappropriate.

His demand, however, for a lowering of airfares will be as effective as American drivers demanding a lowering of gas prices. Not going to happen.

Something for nothing seems to be what he wants. If HA pulls out, who else would fly PPG-HNL? At least with that cargo capacity AND with "reasonable" fares...



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User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11033 times:

Perhaps his efforts would be better rewarded by trying to lure competition to the island rather than trying to bully HA. I know AQ came and went. What about Polynesian Blue? Do they still serve APW-HNL and do they have the rights to operate PPG-HNL.

I have often wondered if the pacific would not benefit from a multi-national airline. So many of the South Pacific countries and territories cannot justify their own full service airline, but together I think the could create something that could fill the needs of many.

WorldXplorer


User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

How did the American Samoa governor get elected? I find this information embarassing of a high government official. It is very immature and diplomatic. He must first understand the simple supply and demand. Hawaiian Airlines, being a private company, can charge whatever they wish on the route. Because they are the only carrier serving the route, they can charge a high price because there are always going to be people who need to fly on their flight.

Bottomline: He won't get the price lowered. The reason LAX flights are cheaper is because on the HNL-LAX sector, CO/DL/UA/AA/TZ/NW all offer non-stop service, some carriers offering multiple frequencies on widebody aircraft.

Can American Samoa be considered "domestic" seeing as its not part of the 50 states? If it were domestic, shouldn't American Samoa be the 51st state?

The one-day course is extremely unreasonable as that would require HA to train their entire transpacific flight attendant pool. It is unnecessary because HA does not need to meet any specific demands. If the governor wishes, he can not renew their contract at the airport, but then he'd have no airline to complain about.

As for their airport, I do remember an instance where a flight was stranded there with significant damage.

As for the reports of unfair treatment, HA does have a policy enforcing a $5 "viewing" fee for the mainscreen movie regardless of the headsets being used. The $10 Dig-E-Players are for rent, and I can't comment on the situation although perhaps all of them may have been rented out and it was misinterpreted as the f/a didn't WANT to give it to the passenger rather than COULDN'T.

All in all, I'm laughing by his letter.
Aq737


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
Can American Samoa be considered "domestic" seeing as its not part of the 50 states? If it were domestic, shouldn't American Samoa be the 51st state?

Take a look at Puerto Rico..



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

Please. Im sure HA is shakin' in their boots... after all, it is the American samoa ... honestly, whats the big deal? HA flies there under their choice, they'll decide weather or not theyll charge 500 bucks. gimmie a break.


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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10965 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
Something for nothing seems to be what he wants

And I hope he gets nothing in return.  Yeah sure

Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 3):
Perhaps his efforts would be better rewarded by trying to lure competition to the island rather than trying to bully HA

You would think that that would be the more appropriate path, rather than try and scare off the only link they have to the rest of the world.  Yeah sure

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
He must first understand the simple supply and demand. Hawaiian Airlines, being a private company, can charge whatever they wish on the route. Because they are the only carrier serving the route, they can charge a high price because there are always going to be people who need to fly on their flight.

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Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
Can American Samoa be considered "domestic" seeing as its not part of the 50 states? If it were domestic, shouldn't American Samoa be the 51st state?

How is Puerto Rico handled? That's how the American Samoa should be handled, IMHO.

I hope this farce is dropped and HA suffers no losses or settlements to this "politician". I'd almost love to see them countersue, but I don't know on what grounds they could, lol.  cheeky 

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User currently offlineStr8fromthe808 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 43 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

 Yeah sure

LOL, the Governor of American Samoa needs to get a reality check. These alleged acts of discrimination are simply policies of the airline. The $5.00 fee to access the A/V with passengers personal equipment is part of the standard spiel that the F/As go through on every flight - you can rent a headset or use your own, regardless it's five bucks. Also, the DigEplayers are not availalbe on all flights, a couple of HNL-SEA flights I've been on did not have these available, something about lack of storage or suitably secure storage overnight at SEA.

On the flip side, it's been widely publicized locally in Hawai'i regarding the mishaps that occur to HA planes while down in Samoa - why shouldn't the airline charge more on a route that has already proven to be hazardous and costly. On top of this, I've noticed that many Samoan people, and I'm not trying to be racist or derogatory in any way, aren't very good at following direction or instruction, thus perhaps misunderstandings are frequent, I can imagine especially in regards to carry on items and baggage limits.

It's poor business for the governor of all people to throw out such a public and blatant accusation to any private business. Especially in a discrimination case, you need to make sure that your argument is airtight - obviously it's not and will be thrown out for being so frivolous....if I was HA, which luckily for many I'm not, I would just write off this route and put more frequencies on easier and more appreciative segments.



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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 5):
Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
Can American Samoa be considered "domestic" seeing as its not part of the 50 states? If it were domestic, shouldn't American Samoa be the 51st state?

Take a look at Puerto Rico..

Samoa and Puerto Rico have different legal status. Samoans are not U.S. citizens -- they are U.S. Nationals, and Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. The main difference is that Puerto Ricans can move anywhere in the U.S. and vote, while Samoans cannot vote in U.S. elections. Entry into Samoa is Not Enrty into the U.S., while entry into Puerto Rico is. Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, and Samoa is an "unregulated territory".


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10750 times:

I think the Governor needs to STFU before HA decides his temper tantrum isn't worth the effort and there's no longer any HA service to his little nation.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10703 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Is this flight covered by the Warsaw Pact or is it covered by US domestic FAA regulations?

I think that you mean "Warsaw Convention" - by your profile you may be too young to remember the "Warsaw Pact" which was effectively a kind of "anti-Nato" so I will refrain from making jokes about having missed the invasion of American Samoa by the Soviet Union and its allies Big grin



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
who else would fly PPG-HNL?

NZ. NZ has been looking at downgrading it's current 767 service AKL-HNL to a 320 service via a pacific island (RAR, NAN or APW) but if HA pulls out of PagoPago I think there could be a possibilty that NZ would start up the route.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10665 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
but if HA pulls out of PagoPago I think there could be a possibilty that NZ would start up the route

if you mean PPG-HNL , sorry , not a chance , since Am-Sam is a US territory the route would be cabotage and thus not open to a non-US carrier



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

Sounds like someone recently got into a pissing match with an agent or crewmember and wants some revenge.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10610 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
2)"Hawaiian is to eliminate the international category for fees, charges and penalties imposed on passenger and cargo and bring them in line with what the carrier charges to other American points."

Entry into Am. Samoa is governed by the Am. Samoa government, not the U.S. government. U.S. citizens need prove their citizenship either through a passport or birth certificate and must have a ticket for passage out of Am. Samoa or proof of employment in Am. Samoa. Plus, if not there for employment, you can only stay 30 days. Doesn't sound like a domestic flight to me.

I also recall this flight being handled exactly like an international flight in that the HNL departure requires a document check before entering the gate and having to enter a gen dec with Customs for both departure and arrival. So, why should HA have to eliminate the international fees and such when they are required to handle the flight as an international one?

BTW, Am. Samoa is an unincorporated, unorganzied territory, not unregulated, and is administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10569 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
3)"Hawaiian is to put all Honolulu-based personnel who fly the Pago Pago route through at least a one-day course of how to behave with courtesy, competence and caring towards American Samoa passengers."

This has to be the biggest joke of all in their demand.


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
but if HA pulls out of PagoPago I think there could be a possibilty that NZ would start up the route

I really cannot see this ever happening can you?. NZ flew to PPG years ago and it was never a money spinner.

How dare a Govenor of a tin pot, broke island dictate to HA what they can and cannot do! It really does beg belief!!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 11):

Whoops. Yes, I meant Warsaw Convention. It didn't look right what I wrote, but I couldn't determine why, since I'd seen the term warsaw pact before.

Which still doesn't answer the question:

Are these flights covered by the Warsaw Convention? If so, they should be treated as international regardless of whether they fly to a US territory or not.

But it sounds like from other posts that this is most definitely an international flight and should be treated as such.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
3)"Hawaiian is to put all Honolulu-based personnel who fly the Pago Pago route through at least a one-day course of how to behave with courtesy, competence and caring towards American Samoa passengers."



Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
I regularly worked HA's flights between HNL and PPG for several years before our HNL to SYD flights began and have had many encounters with the honorable Governor Tulafono. In all of my experiences with him, I have not once heard the words "please", "may I" , or "thank you" ever leave his lips.

Cultural sensitivity is part of our job as ambassadors for our company.

Further, it is not incumbent upon the paying passenger, in this case the governor, to be courteous to us. "Please" and "thank you" from paying customers to employees may be a nicety we would all like to enjoy, it is not a requirement.

While I'm the first to cringe at the cries of "cultural" or "racial insensitivity", it is an issue in our jobs and we are understandably expected to be cognizant of these issues and deal with them in a way that benefits the paying passenger, not ourselves.

As for the fares being charged being out of line, and inappropriate taxes being applied to Samoan citizens, to this I take exception. Fares are market driven throughout U.S airspace. American Samoa is far off the beaten path of discount airline pricing....until Southwest starts flying there, the poor folks are going to be stuck with high fares. An airline, like any business has the right to price its product as it sees fit and to impose fees in any many they choose. Customers may chose to pay the price or not patronize that company. As for inappropriate taxes being applied to Samoan residents, this simply cannot be true. Federal laws regulate the imposition and collection of taxes, not individual airline policies.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
NZ. NZ has been looking at downgrading it's current 767 service AKL-HNL to a 320 service via a pacific island (RAR, NAN or APW) but if HA pulls out of PagoPago I think there could be a possibilty that NZ would start up the route.

It is a domestic route, and NZ would not have any traffic rights between Pago Pago and Honolulu.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10137 times:

The Governor of AmSamoa should extend an invitation to the Pakistani hunger striker who was demanding that PIA lower its airfares to the Island for a brainstorming and strategizing session!!

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

Whatever the governor is smoking it must be pretty good.
Although I have to agree that the policy of charging $5 for using your own headset for IFE seems to be out of line with every other major carrier I've ever flown with. (Not that I get out of Canada all that much.) I think I'd just bring a book or some magazines and not use the IFE as a protest. Yes I know its just $5, but it just seems cheesy that they charge it for using your own headset. They might as well install pay toilets or put coin slots on the overhead lights and air vents.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

What would happen if HA bans the American Samoa Governor from flying on their planes?
Even if there's a HA monopoly on the U.S. - PPG route, HA has the upper hand here and that governor doesn't have the power to force or blackmail HA to do what he demmands.
I don't know how the American Samoa is elected and when are the elections, but if HA says the day that person leaves office the PPG-HNL-PPG goes down to USD450, that guy won't win ever again.



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User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
It is a domestic route, and NZ would not have any traffic rights between Pago Pago and Honolulu.

If it is a domestic route the International fee should indeed go.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
1) Roundtrip Airfares between PPG and HNL must be lowered to $500.00.

Yeah right and HA must immediately inaugurate EIN-HNL and let me fly for free.

HA is a company in the private sector and unless they receive some subsidy or something like that, which is connected to a fare limit, they can decide for themselves what to charge.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
3)"Hawaiian is to put all Honolulu-based personnel who fly the Pago Pago route through at least a one-day course of how to behave with courtesy, competence and caring towards American Samoa passengers."

I wonder what the judge will say about this demand.

Sounds to me that that Governor has either a 'calimero syndrome or someone who thinks he has the power to demand anything he wants from a company, which I think he needs more then they need him.

Are there any elections in the near future at Samao? Maybe he is in desperate need of some votes?



Its all about supply and demand...
25 TWA902fly : I know an 'international' fee is applied to mainland-usa flights and usa-alaska flight as both pass through international airspace. so my guess is th
26 Checksixx : It really depends on what "discrimination" is percieved as. I mean come on, we have BET (Black Entertainment Television) here. Now you introduce WET (
27 DeltaGator : Shhhh!...Don't give Ryanair any more ideas on how to make a buck.
28 Post contains links 787KQ : The crux of the Governor's argument is that HA charges more at Pago Pago than at other American airports, including the "imposition of extraordinary
29 HAL : I am a pilot for Hawaiian, and in the past have flown for airlines ranging from single-pilot nine-passenger commuters to major airlines. In those yea
30 Rdwelch : Nice post. Gus
31 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : Thanks for the correction, I knew that didn't sound quite right when I typed it in. But let me ask, is there a point where an airline can take cultur
32 HALFA : Polynesian Airlines stopped flying APW-HNL in October of 05 I believe, but look for a new codeshare flight HA/Polynesian Blue soon. I'm not sure who'
33 Post contains images NZ8800 : A question: If you fly HNL - PPG - do you have to go through customs/immigration and get your passport stamped? My definition would be if you get your
34 787KQ : From the VI you go generally through US customs in the VI when going to the mainland (the VI is a separate customs zone: it is nominally duty free, I
35 Jetdeltamsy : I fail to see the relevance of your "end of story" remark. Polynesian culture varies from one polynesian culture to another. Are you perhaps French P
36 Aeroplan73 : Don't let Milton from AC hear you say that..lol, it may just happen.
37 HALFA : Really? Interesting. A retired Delta flight attendant from New Orleans lecturing me, (a veteran flight attendant with over 20 years flying within the
38 Jetdeltamsy : Yes. And I've been through countless hours of sensitivitiy training on dealing with people from all parts of the world. At Delta (and my many years w
39 Pulkovokiwi : Why anyone would want to travel to PPG is beyond me. It was idyllic 40 years ago but apparently has gone to the dogs. Great shame as it has a gorgeous
40 Kanebear : HA to Gov. Tulafono: "Sorry you feel that way. Best of luck on finding replacement air service. Have a nice day."
41 HAL : Apparently he has never heard of the extensive charter service HA flew - to many locations around the world - back in the DC-8 & L1011 days. The pilo
42 Planemanofnz : What happened to Aloha's service to the islands? I think NZ would start APW-HNL with it's own metal before DJ does.
43 HAL : Nobody flew them, and they lost a ton of money. Just as with some of their mainland flying it was a case of too long a flight for the plane, and too
44 HALFA : Yes both in PPG and in HNL. Actually, I'm referring to American Samoa which is culturally quite different now than the independent nation of Samoa. A
45 787KQ : For the boundless possibilities (based on your description)!
46 Ha763 : As HALFA said, you do pass through Customs/Immigration on both sides. Technically, you are leaving to U.S.A. since entry into Am. Samoa is controlled
47 Yellekc : What's the situation with GUM? It is outside the US customs zone, and therefore has its own customs and quarantine agency. CO flights 1 and 2 go direc
48 HALFA : I haven't been to GUM in a few years. My last time to GUM was deadheading from HNL to GUM on CO's flight 1 as we were being repositioned to work a ch
49 Malaysia : Not all Airports have a Customs Seal feature on the AOA badge, such as LAS. You can handle a International flight without a customs seal on your AOA
50 Antoniemey : I'd bet that their badges still have to say "FIS" or something like that on them.
51 Ha763 : I was only refering to HNL as the flight to PPG leaves from HNL and at HNL you need a Customs seal to be at international flights.
52 Post contains links Aloha73G : A passenger assaults a male F/A on an HA flight from HNL-PPG... http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...eworld_June76.xml§ion=theworld ....interest
53 Post contains images HALFA : You are very worldly!! Do you always wake up in the morning and read the Khaleej Times from the United Arab Emirates? Regarding this incident, the pa
54 Post contains images Aloha73G : Got it.....thanks for the info -Aloha!
55 Post contains images Hawaiian717 : Did you notice how many seats have been removed from the 767s? Gotta love AP articles...
56 HAL : So the UAE picks up on a fistfight on a Hawaiian plane, but not a peep in the Advertiser, Star Bulletin, or PBN? It's a strange world we live in. HAL
57 Post contains images HALFA : I did notice that! I thought I'd died and gone to heaven, 177, yah baby!! Actually, there was mention in this morning's Advertiser, but I was definet
58 Lincoln : It used to be true -- at least, in official policy, not necessarially enforced -- on most US airlines, over time it's generally been phased out. The
59 HnlBoi : HALFA....question for you. If you are scheduled to work the HNL-PPG flights do you usually work the return flight that same day. I know the flight lea
60 HALFA : Yes, the flight is scheduled as a "turn" for us, along with our flights to PPT and ANC. We depart HNL at 5:05pm and work the 5 hour flight to PPG, we
61 Post contains links Laxintl : Here is another story about the FA assault from the Honolulu Advertiser. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...60603/NEWS0601/606030346/1011/NEWS
62 HnlBoi : When did HA start operating ANC flights. I thought they operate them as Charters?
63 Post contains links NZ8800 : Just as an aside... I just read in the New Zealand AIP - http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/supplements/aip_supp_11may06.pdf that all Air Traffic Control for P
64 Ha763 : They are scheduled charters and they are on HA aircraft with HA crews. This means that these flights are part of their monthly bid package.
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