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User currently offlinePaulcaz From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

 Smile See on ATDB.org that SAS have ordered RRJs They will look good in SAS colours.Sukhoi say 20


Paul Newman Ascot UK
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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

ATDB.org is the Union of European Turkish Democrats.

I can't see anything on that website to confirm this news.

Very exciting if true though!


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quote:

Scandinavian airline SAS denied on Tuesday it had plans to buy planes from Sukhoi after the Russian aerospace group said it hoped to sign a contract with the Scandinavian carrier for 22 new Russian Regional Jets.

Viktor Subbotin, head of Sukhoi's civil plane unit, earlier said his group had "practically started preparing a contract with SAS" for a preliminary order of 22 jets.

"There is no chance," SAS spokesman Bertil Ternert said. "There is a rumour we are going to buy the aircraft. It is completely wrong."

Source: http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1148419523.html

I hope they do order the RRJ, it would be great to see russia sell some aircraft to the west, but it doesnt look like SAS will be ordering them.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

They don't need it in the first place. Q400 is doing the job fine and replacing it with RJ would only increase costs.

SAS should concentrate on simplyfying their short - haul fleet rather than adding more types.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 3):
They don't need it in the first place. Q400 is doing the job fine and replacing it with RJ would only increase costs

The RRJ has shorter and stretched versions and will be more meant to replace 736s and MD-87s, their only current aircraft in the 75-120 seats region which are both not so efficient. They can also open up routes which are too long for the RJ, like to secundairy cities in Spain and Italy.
In 20 years, I can imagine SAS flying Q400, RRJ and A320/321s and/or 737s.



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

If SAS buys the RRJ, I guess that it will most likely be for its subsidiary companies, which operates a wide range of RJ's. For example, it would be a nice replacement for Blue1 and Air Baltic fleet of Avro RJ85/100s.

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):

In 20 years, I can imagine SAS flying Q400, RRJ and A320/321s and/or 737s.

I agree with the most part of your reasoning, that SAS will need a replacement airplane for their MD-87/735 fleet rather than the Q400 which are to stay in the SAS fleet for a while.

My only disagreement is about the A320/A321. The A321 are to large for the SAS fleet. That is why SAS converted their option from 4 A321 to A319.
All Airbus planes in the SAS fleet are sold, and leased back which can suggest that they are not staying in the fleet for many years.

On to the topic. It will be Lindegaards successor who will make the decision on what kind of RJ SAS will go for. So the rumor is just rumor for now anyway. RJ will be the next order and investment for SAS and it's subsidiary companies.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
The RRJ has shorter and stretched versions and will be more meant to replace 736s and MD-87s, their only current aircraft in the 75-120 seats region which are both not so efficient.

736 may not be so efficient but is a part of large family of aircraft which SAS operates. As such it may not be worth to introduce yet another type to the fleet. The other problem is what to do with those 736? They don't seem to be hot sellers and sending fairly new aircraft to the desert would not be wise option too.

Imho SAS should build their short haul fleet around 73NG, move buses to Spanair and get rid of MDs. Unfortunately they cannot afford it at this time.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Imho SAS should build their short haul fleet around 73NG, move buses to Spanair and get rid of MDs. Unfortunately they cannot afford it at this time.

I agree with you humble opinion. What could the airline potentially save with just one short haul fleet rather than three? I guess that putting all the MD-80 in CPH, and the 737 in ARN and OSL is a step in that direction.

When the A319 arrive some MD-87 will go to Spanair as well.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Well, they currently have one Q400 for sale on www.speednews.com .


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
Well, they currently have one Q400 for sale on www.speednews.com .

I was not aware of this. Is this a sell leaseback maneuver?



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 8):
When the A319 arrive some MD-87 will go to Spanair as well.

My point was to send those 319 to Spanair (and possibly A321 as well). They clearly don't fit into SAS fleet. MD-87 should be retired as they will continue to be loss makiers with current fuel prices.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 854 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 6):

Huh!?

"All the Airbus planes in SAS fleet are sold, and leased back wich can suggest that they´re not staying in the fleet for many years....."

Never heard that one before, new to me.

Micke//SWE  Confused



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12):
Never heard that one before, new to me.

Sounds a bit strange, but I guess, now I think about it, it does make sense!


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12):
Huh!?

"All the Airbus planes in SAS fleet are sold, and leased back wich can suggest that they´re not staying in the fleet for many years....."

Never heard that one before, new to me.

Micke//SWE



Quoting Vasu (Reply 13):
Sounds a bit strange, but I guess, now I think about it, it does make sense!

SAS has sold their Airbus A330/A340 A319/A321 and MD-80 and leased them back in order to get enough money for the planes they have sold. This way SAS can quickly replace their long-haul fleet and mixed short-haul fleet when they get the productivity up to a level where SAS can earn money.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
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Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
The other problem is what to do with those 736?

How about SAS putting some more seats into them to increase revenue for each flight? Don't they just have 116-119 seats in them now? They could put in a total of 128 seats like Braathens did on some of their B735s in the 1990s...

The B736s I have flown had a big galley up front, but they hardly served anything, so do they really need them? Compact LCC-style galleys should suffice, IMO...



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 15):
How about SAS putting some more seats into them to increase revenue for each flight? Don't they just have 116-119 seats in them now? They could put in a total of 128 seats like Braathens did on some of their B735s in the 1990s...

I have been speculating in the very same thing, but with weak load factors (66%?) there would be no need to make people feel stuffed in a half full plane.

Perhaps the program "The new commercial SAS" that started last week will ask the same question as to how SAS can perform better?



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1547 times:

I imagine that if the RRJ series were expanded to include a 115 seater it would be an easier sale to SAS and others considering how many aircraft of that size they have.

Perhaps two stretches- 110 and 130 seats to justify the cost of a new wing and powerplant.

That would enable SAS to standardize around four types:

Q-series, RRJ, 73G/A320, A330/40


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1474 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 10):
I was not aware of this. Is this a sell leaseback maneuver?

I don't know, but as they're selling only one aircraft of their fleet of 30 or so (how many do they have ?), it seems unlikely IMO.



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