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Smaller Airplanes, Longer Routes?  
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Is it me or do airlines seem to employ smaller airplanes (B737s, B757s, A319s, etc.) for longer routes? Are we seeing a route diversification where airlines want to serve more destinations with smaller airplanes? Sort of boost direct flights?

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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Well, in the case of the LCC's, the theory is to have a single or limited fleet type and squeeze as many miles out of them as possible. And with the growing popularity of the LCC's, you are going to see that trend definitely. I think it is also an issue of not overflooding the various markets with ASMs.


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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Is it me or do airlines seem to employ smaller airplanes (B737s, B757s, A319s, etc.) for longer routes?

Depends on which airlines you are talking about. In the US, there is a philosophy that routes should be served with smaller aircrafts but with higher frequencies. For example, instead of sending two B744 each day (assume US airlines still have them) from SFO-JFK, an airline would fly 4-5 B757/767 a day. And because there is not enough demand to send 5 B747 services, smaller planes are used.

Asian airlines, however, still tend to stick with larger aircrafts with low frequency of flights. However, there are still destinations which are served by large aircrafts with high frequencies (HKG-TPE is one..flights depart at least once an hour all with heavies) and there is also a trend to use smaller aircrafts but boost frequencies too. CX's HKG-LHR now have four daily flights, most of served by A340.


User currently offlineJetflyer From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Why put the same passengers on a widebody plane which burns a hell of a lot more fuel....

Modern narrowbody planes have a capability to fly longer routes so bying a load of them only to fly 3-400 miles routes would be a complete waste of money.

[Edited 2006-05-30 19:46:56]

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

If a LCC or even a mainline airline can't fill a B767 or A330 on a long-haul route then logic would dictate that a smaller plane would be more cost effective. LCC as mentioned like fleet commonality, but this trend is growing on bigger airlines as well. Both CO and AA are using winglet-ed B752s on trans-atlantic ops, AC is apparently considering A319 YHX-LHR.

If planes like the B737ER catch on, then you'll see more narrow-bodies on transatlantic and long range flights.

KrisYYZ


User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 2):
Depends on which airlines you are talking about. In the US, there is a philosophy that routes should be served with smaller aircrafts but with higher frequencies.

That is an excellent point. Here in the US, customers expect to see a choice of when they can go on their flight. They don't want to get up too early, or don't want to get in too late, or need to be at a business meeting first thing in the morning....they want the higher frequencies.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 4):
Both CO and AA are using winglet-ed B752s on trans-atlantic ops

CO has been using B752's on trans Atlantic ops almost from day 1 of their delivery to CO back in the early to mid 90's, long before the winglets showed up.

I don't mind the single aisle planes so much on long runs but almost 4 hours in an RJ is a bit much such as the IAH-BOI flights.



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

TK flies 737-800s to places lile ALY, TAS, KHI . It might be economical as loads on these routes would not be high to fill a 310 or a 330 but let me tell you it is quite hard to work on these flights. 6 hours on a 737 is not fun man. Neither for the pax nor the crew.

On top of it, after 9/11, the crew did not stay at the destination until recently. So they did IST-KHI-IST. Uhhh it must have been painful  Wow!



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