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Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

VIRGIN Blue's plan to launch a rival US service to Qantas on the high-profit Pacific route is being undermined by the high demand by world airlines for new aircraft.

The nation's number two carrier yesterday disclosed it was locked out of the production schedule for the new super efficient long-haul 787 airliner being built by traditional supplier Boeing.

Managing director Brett Godfrey said that Virgin Blue could not wait until 2010 or 2011 when Boeing would have planes available

[snip snap]

He said there was also a waiting list until 2011 for new versions of Virgin's 737 aircraft.

"Our view is not all those aeroplane orders will be taken up and that will leave us some speculative opportunity to get what we want straight off the bat, " Mr Godfrey said.

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http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...ge/0,5478,19311666%255E664,00.html

=> New 737 version? Is he talking about the -900X or the 700XLRXXXLwhatever?

=> Contest seems to be between the B777 and A340-600


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9026 times:

Why not let SQ run the route  Wink

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8964 times:

What a load of rubbish!

Godfrey had a chance just like every other airline to place their orders for the 787.
Boeing is not "locking" anyone out!
What kept Godfrey from trotting up to Seattle just like every other Airline chief did?

Talk about "Blame deflection"! His board is probably wondering why they're not going to have "super-efficient" aircraft, and the only response he can come up with is that it is Boeing's fault.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8939 times:

The article seems to suggest that Boeing is the only option for them, is that true? Are they looking for non-stop service to the US? What aircraft can handle that (current aircraft)? I guess the 772ER/LR, 77W, a345/346 and 747/a380 right?


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User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

If he's looking for capacity to launch the flights, I'm sure both Boeing and Airbus would be happy to provide him with some aircraft to use until the plane Virgin Blue really wants is ready.


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

A misleading title for sure. I suggest:
"Asleep at the Switch!" or
"Opportunity Came Knocking; Virgin Didn't Answer the Door"!



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31262 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8093 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
The article seems to suggest that Boeing is the only option for them, is that true?

I guess if they want to launch in 2011 it is, since the A350, in whatever form it takes flight in, won't be available until after that date.

Maybe the Qantas / Jetstar decision is indirectly forcing their hand to feel they also need the 787 to compete?


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

Virgin Blue have the choice of interim fleet before 787/350 are available. Several airlines are in the same situation. They want to start US services in late 2007/early 2008, so the 787/350 was never going to be available in that timeline. Lots of speculation they could get some of big sister VS' 346s to start the service and convert to a new type at a later date.

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

Since when is Virgin Blue wanting to order 787s? Definitely news to me.

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
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Not sure what everyone is getting excited about, the article discusses in a fairly balanced way the current supply & demand situation in the airliner business, right now on the side of the manufacturers.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Boeing is not "locking" anyone out!

I didn't read it that way, I think some journalistic license may have been applied, I believe that whilst Brett Godfrey may have said those words, I don't believe he was blaming Boeing, more likely the market forces that have filled Boeings order book.



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User currently offlineHBA From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7208 times:

Remember the Herald Sun is a daily tabloid and NOT a financial paper.

DJ has been between the proverbial rock and hard place with who was going actually going to be their major shareholder, with Patrick owning more than 50% and Toll wanting to buy Patrick

Toll and Patrick basically have a duopoly in Australia and this has affected decisions by things as diverse as DJ and Pacific National, who is Australia's biggest rail operator, which is jointly owned by Toll/Patrick

I imagine Godfrey meant by being 'locked out' was that there were no more slots and he acknoledges that slots will open up, as they do, as airlines don't take up orders/options.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 8):
Since when is Virgin Blue wanting to order 787s? Definitely news to me.

Well I think that they're actually going to be called Pacific Blue (something to do with the SQ shareholding preventing trans-pacific flights being carried out by an airline with Virgin in the name!) and it's Virgin's new trans-pacific airline project that's in the process of startup.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5774 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Well I think that they're actually going to be called Pacific Blue

Pacific Blue is the trans Tasman operation, I doubt that will be the name of the Trans Pac operation.. just my thoughts



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User currently offlineJbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 12):
Pacific Blue is the trans Tasman operation, I doubt that will be the name of the Trans Pac operation

I believe, and I think I read this somewhere in a magazine or something, that Virgin Blue's Aus-US carrier will be called Pacific Blue, something to do with naming rights overseas or something...can't remember.


User currently offlineMalb777 From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Quoting Col (Reply 1):
Why not let SQ run the route

What a great idea, then we can have a real airline running in competition with QF. DJ sucks in my opinion . And befor I get flamed I have tried Virgin Blue, Atlantic & Express and as far as I am concerned they all suck



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User currently offlineCyclonic From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Col (Reply 1):
Why not let SQ run the route

Stick to the subject; you're just trolling.

Quoting HBA (Reply 10):
I imagine Godfrey meant by being 'locked out' was that there were no more slots and he acknoledges that slots will open up, as they do, as airlines don't take up orders/options.

My thoughts exactly. With DJ being an all-Boeing airline, it sure wouldn't have been Brett's intention to slag them off in any way.

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 7):
Virgin Blue have the choice of interim fleet before 787/350 are available. Several airlines are in the same situation. They want to start US services in late 2007/early 2008, so the 787/350 was never going to be available in that timeline. Lots of speculation they could get some of big sister VS' 346s to start the service and convert to a new type at a later date.

Hmm, that'd be interesting. A 346 in DJ colours would look sweet! It'd be redder than a dog's dic...Bigger than a pornstars dild... umm, yeah, you know what I mean!

Quoting Malb777 (Reply 14):
What a great idea, then we can have a real airline running in competition with QF. DJ sucks in my opinion . And befor I get flamed I have tried Virgin Blue, Atlantic & Express and as far as I am concerned they all suck

Nice constructive argument you've formed there, neatly backed up by a biased opinion. Now, in the words of the Virgin Mary, come again?

I've never flown on DJ, so I have no clue what they're like.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Remember Virgin Blue kind of needs the 787 and/or A350 since they cannot launch AUS-USA flights with a 772ER or a A330 which are good interim options. They would need the 772LR or A345 and obviously those are expensive planes to buy/ lease for a short period of time. I have no doubt Boeing will come up with something for Virgin Blue by the end of June  Wink

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