FlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
I am planning to do my CPL in Jan next year and hopefully by beginning 2008 i should have my CPL.
I request the people on this forum to advice/put their points forth on the follwoing doubts i have:
1. My age: i am already 28: Will this be a BIG problem in trying to get a job in any good airline?
2. I plan to do the course in Australia. Course detail promises 200 hrs flying + 65 hrs on simulator (MER + IR included). 55 hrs on Multi engine.
Would the above be enough to just come back to india and apply for a job in any airline?
3. How difficult it is to convert the Aus CPL to a DGCA one. ie; is the composite paper very much different? (it also is conducted only once in 4 months)
4. what is the average starting salary for trainee pilots in the various pvt airleins( Jet, Deccan, Kingfisher, Spicejet, Jagson etc)
5. Assuming i dont get a good job how much do pilots get paid in smaller charter services/flying schools etc?
I am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...and since i dont know anybody personally...i am putting forth these questions to the well researched members of this forum...
FlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2756 times:
I had already gone thru the DGCA website. To get an ALTP i anyway need 1500 hrs but ofcourse the course only gives 265 hrs...with the current market situation i wanted to know if the carriers are actually hiring "fresher" pilots and training them. Checked kingfisher website and they had listed trainee pilots for ATRs...
As you happen to be pretty experienced in the aviation field do you have any contacts who could clarify any doubts?
By the way all the best for your trip on the ATR..i actually like its bumpy ride! esp when it rocks sideways...guess many others dont!
Scoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
I have heard that the average starting salary for trainee pilots in IC is around Rs.12000 to Rs.15000 per month.
ALTP is always better, but given the high demand nowadays and reports of airlines hiring in numbers from abroad, you stand a good chance with a CPL+Multi-Engine hours (in a jet preferably)
Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Thread starter): I am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...and since i dont know anybody personally...i am putting forth these questions to the well researched members of this forum...
FlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Thanks Balki...How long do the training periods generally last?
Is the DGCA medical requirments more stringent that ICAO. Atleast in the DGCA website they say it is in accordance to ICAO norms. But i have heard from some people that DGCA are more strict... more like IAF standards???
AirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2716 times:
Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Thread starter): am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...
Thomas, its been my dream too. I am 25 and have a comfortable high paying job. I will be following you closely and perhaps take a plunge myself. So I will be benchmarking you....
Scoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
You're Welcome Thomas..
The following info quoted from a tribune article in 2005, should give you a rough idea.
Quote: Pilots are recruited as trainee pilots and work for a year or so under the supervision of a senior pilot. The first independent job is as a co-pilot. Promotion to Captain/ Commander can come after about eight-10 years of service. The Captain of an aircraft has the total responsibility for the aircraft, crew and passengers.
While the pilot is trained to perform navigating tasks, a few aircraft still need the services of a flight engineer, who has to carry out an inspection of the aircraft before the flight, during the flight and after landing.
Truly the sky is the limit for pilots, but on a more earthly plane while there is a huge requirement for pilots, most private carriers are not willing to invest in training pilots for the particular kind of aircraft they use. Indian Airlines, Air-India and some private airlines take on trained pilots with a CPL and a minimum of 250 hours flying experience as trainee pilots. Further training is imparted at the respective airlines’ training centres, where pilots are put through rigorous technical training on various aircraft of the airline, as well as courses in high-altitude meteorology, navigation, flight planning and flight safety. Trainees are also put through training on a simulator, which enables them to learn complicated instrument procedures and emergencies before actual flight training. Only after all these stages are completed does the pilot
obtain Type Endorsement on the licence from the DGCA for flying a particular aircraft. Training for each type of aircraft doesn’t come cheap either. Training and endorsement costs for different aircraft, including the Airbus 320, Boeing 747, can be extremely expensive and range from Rs 10-15 lakh. Moreover, each time a pilot moves over to another type of aircraft, he / she will have to undergo special training for that aircraft and obtain the Type Endorsement.
Most private airlines expect candidates to pay for the training and endorsement. They recruit fresh CPL holders and pay them a stipend during the training period, which could last four or six months. Once confirmed with the necessary endorsement, commercial pilots are paid handsomely — between Rs 8-12 lakh annual starting salary, and generous allowances like housing, medical and outstation allowances as well as free concessional air passages for immediate family and dependants.. This remuneration, to some extent, compemsates for the high cots of training.. Moreover for those who like it, travel itself can be a rewarding experience
A pilot can get a job for flying passenger and cargo flights for a domestic or international airline, or with organisations that maintain their own aircraft. With the sudden spurt in demand for pilots, on an average four to 10 pilots are required per aircraft, private airlines are offering huge salaries for experienced pilots who have the endorsements required, often poaching on the national carriers for trained professionals.
FlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
Quoting Scoliodon (Reply 8): Here's a link on some news on trainee pilots from IC.
Does this mean that the IA pilot trainees actually have to pay for their training on the Airbuses? i can understand pvt LCC airlines doing this. Would it not be enough if they just included a bond period for the 10 yrs and have a clause that training money would be recovered if they quit? (something like what we have in the s/w industry)
hmm...that really puts me in the spot Anyway will keep you informed Guru...i hope you too take the plunge soon!
Me..i am plain fed up of current job now never should have been here...even though it does pay me a lot.
Scoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 10): Would it not be enough if they just included a bond period for the 10 yrs and have a clause that training money would be recovered if they quit? (something like what we have in the s/w industry)
Actually I am confused whether the article mentions such a bond only..similar to the s/w companies!! The phrasing is a bit ambiguous. Bank guarantee of 5lakh is all that is required?? I maybe wrong..someone could interpret better..
FlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 2659 times:
yes an airline pilot does get to make more ..eventually atleast Plus the job is more fun ..if flying is the thing you want.
yes it is considerably cheaper than doin an MBA from US. funnily when i was a student i could get the monetary support to do an MBA or Ms in US but NOT to learn flying Hence took to s/w to earn the money...and i find it is not enuf over the past 7 yrs! I anyway need to take a huge bank loan. Well thats life...