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User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

I am planning to do my CPL in Jan next year and hopefully by beginning 2008 i should have my CPL.

I request the people on this forum to advice/put their points forth on the follwoing doubts i have:

1. My age: i am already 28: Will this be a BIG problem in trying to get a job in any good airline?

2. I plan to do the course in Australia. Course detail promises 200 hrs flying + 65 hrs on simulator (MER + IR included). 55 hrs on Multi engine.
Would the above be enough to just come back to india and apply for a job in any airline?

3. How difficult it is to convert the Aus CPL to a DGCA one. ie; is the composite paper very much different? (it also is conducted only once in 4 months)

4. what is the average starting salary for trainee pilots in the various pvt airleins( Jet, Deccan, Kingfisher, Spicejet, Jagson etc)

5. Assuming i dont get a good job how much do pilots get paid in smaller charter services/flying schools etc?

I am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...and since i dont know anybody personally...i am putting forth these questions to the well researched members of this forum...

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Thomas.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

DGCA Website
You'll need an ALTP to stand a better chance.
Get in touch with the Flt ops dept of concerned Airclines to check their needs.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Thanks Mel  Smile
I had already gone thru the DGCA website. To get an ALTP i anyway need 1500 hrs but ofcourse the course only gives 265 hrs...with the current market situation i wanted to know if the carriers are actually hiring "fresher" pilots and training them. Checked kingfisher website and they had listed trainee pilots for ATRs...

As you happen to be pretty experienced in the aviation field do you have any contacts who could clarify any doubts?

By the way all the best for your trip on the ATR..i actually like its bumpy ride! esp when it rocks sideways...guess many others dont!

Cheers
Thomas.


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

I have heard that the average starting salary for trainee pilots in IC is around Rs.12000 to Rs.15000 per month.

ALTP is always better, but given the high demand nowadays and reports of airlines hiring in numbers from abroad, you stand a good chance with a CPL+Multi-Engine hours (in a jet preferably)

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Thread starter):
I am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...and since i dont know anybody personally...i am putting forth these questions to the well researched members of this forum...

I can understand that exactly. Best of Luck!!



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User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Thanks Balki...How long do the training periods generally last?

Is the DGCA medical requirments more stringent that ICAO. Atleast in the DGCA website they say it is in accordance to ICAO norms. But i have heard from some people that DGCA are more strict... more like IAF standards???

Cheers
Thomas.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 2):
As you happen to be pretty experienced in the aviation field do you have any contacts who could clarify any doubts

I'll check up with a few Pilot Buddies if I can share their Email & revert back.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Thread starter):
am taking a BIG risk in leaving behind a comfortable high paying IT job and starting a new career from scratch (and taking a huge bank loan for that too) but i always wanted to fly...

Thomas, its been my dream too. I am 25 and have a comfortable high paying job. I will be following you closely and perhaps take a plunge myself. So I will be benchmarking you....

All the best.....

Guru


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

You're Welcome Thomas..

The following info quoted from a tribune article in 2005, should give you a rough idea.

Quote:
Pilots are recruited as trainee pilots and work for a year or so under the supervision of a senior pilot. The first independent job is as a co-pilot. Promotion to Captain/ Commander can come after about eight-10 years of service. The Captain of an aircraft has the total responsibility for the aircraft, crew and passengers.

While the pilot is trained to perform navigating tasks, a few aircraft still need the services of a flight engineer, who has to carry out an inspection of the aircraft before the flight, during the flight and after landing.

Truly the sky is the limit for pilots, but on a more earthly plane while there is a huge requirement for pilots, most private carriers are not willing to invest in training pilots for the particular kind of aircraft they use. Indian Airlines, Air-India and some private airlines take on trained pilots with a CPL and a minimum of 250 hours flying experience as trainee pilots. Further training is imparted at the respective airlines’ training centres, where pilots are put through rigorous technical training on various aircraft of the airline, as well as courses in high-altitude meteorology, navigation, flight planning and flight safety. Trainees are also put through training on a simulator, which enables them to learn complicated instrument procedures and emergencies before actual flight training. Only after all these stages are completed does the pilot

obtain Type Endorsement on the licence from the DGCA for flying a particular aircraft. Training for each type of aircraft doesn’t come cheap either. Training and endorsement costs for different aircraft, including the Airbus 320, Boeing 747, can be extremely expensive and range from Rs 10-15 lakh. Moreover, each time a pilot moves over to another type of aircraft, he / she will have to undergo special training for that aircraft and obtain the Type Endorsement.

Most private airlines expect candidates to pay for the training and endorsement. They recruit fresh CPL holders and pay them a stipend during the training period, which could last four or six months. Once confirmed with the necessary endorsement, commercial pilots are paid handsomely — between Rs 8-12 lakh annual starting salary, and generous allowances like housing, medical and outstation allowances as well as free concessional air passages for immediate family and dependants.. This remuneration, to some extent, compemsates for the high cots of training.. Moreover for those who like it, travel itself can be a rewarding experience

A pilot can get a job for flying passenger and cargo flights for a domestic or international airline, or with organisations that maintain their own aircraft. With the sudden spurt in demand for pilots, on an average four to 10 pilots are required per aircraft, private airlines are offering huge salaries for experienced pilots who have the endorsements required, often poaching on the national carriers for trained professionals.



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User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Here's a link on some news on trainee pilots from IC.

http://www.blonnet.com/2006/02/15/stories/2006021501030700.htm

And trainees get as much Rs.25000 during their training period.



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User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Thanks Mel...exactly the kind of help i was looking for. Pls mail me directly in case any of your buddies agreee....

Cheers,
Thomas.


User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Wow

Quoting Scoliodon (Reply 8):
Here's a link on some news on trainee pilots from IC.

Does this mean that the IA pilot trainees actually have to pay for their training on the Airbuses? i can understand pvt LCC airlines doing this. Would it not be enough if they just included a bond period for the 10 yrs and have a clause that training money would be recovered if they quit? (something like what we have in the s/w industry)  Smile

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 6):
So I will be benchmarking you....

hmm...that really puts me in the spot  Smile Anyway will keep you informed Guru...i hope you too take the plunge soon!
Me..i am plain fed up of current job now never should have been here...even though it does pay me a lot.

Cheers,
Thomas.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 10):
i hope you too take the plunge soon!

If I do that, then will pester you for a job....  Wink

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 10):
Anyway will keep you informed Guru

Will look forward to all the info and insights.....


How big a hole will the entire course burn.....?


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 10):
Would it not be enough if they just included a bond period for the 10 yrs and have a clause that training money would be recovered if they quit? (something like what we have in the s/w industry)

Actually I am confused whether the article mentions such a bond only..similar to the s/w companies!! The phrasing is a bit ambiguous. Bank guarantee of 5lakh is all that is required?? I maybe wrong..someone could interpret better..



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User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 11):
If I do that, then will pester you for a job....

Please Guru..let me get one first! heck let me even get my CPL first  Smile

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 11):
How big a hole will the entire course burn.....?

Ok...Course fee: 20L (excludes any retest charges etc...I checked Indian Schools like Orient Flt School) they too charge similar amounts.

Living and accomodation expenses in Aus: 4 L (minimum to be shown to govt while applying for a student visa)

Misc: 2L (like visa processing, addnl expenses, Tickets etc)

So approx abt 26Lakhs.

According to Scolio's posts...we have to bear the additional costs to get type ratings...hmm pretty expensive now.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 13):
we have to bear the additional costs to get type ratings...hmm pretty expensive now

But still cheaper than getting an MBA from the US.... and come to think of it... an airline pilot perhaps makes more money than the average Wharton/Harvard guy....


User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

yes an airline pilot does get to make more ..eventually atleast  Smile Plus the job is more fun ..if flying is the thing you want.

yes it is considerably cheaper than doin an MBA from US. funnily when i was a student i could get the monetary support to do an MBA or Ms in US but NOT to learn flying Sad Hence took to s/w to earn the money...and i find it is not enuf over the past 7 yrs! I anyway need to take a huge bank loan. Well thats life...


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Well Thomas, atleast you are getting out of software for something that's much much better!!! So that should be something to celebrate..isn't it?  Smile)


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting FlyHigh@Tom (Reply 10):
Does this mean that the IA pilot trainees actually have to pay for their training on the Airbuses



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 11):
How big a hole will the entire course burn.....?

Currently of what I heard....Around 12L Bank gaurantee & 8L cash upfront as Bond for F/O.If the Co sends you for training on a 3yr reduction basis.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

talk to www.air-titan.com in cochin

User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 18):
talk to www.air-titan.com in cochin

Thanks Leftwing. Went thru their site. Have contacted them. Any personal experience with them?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 18):

What Nationality markings for their Fleet.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

VT- once the fleet arrives ..approval from DGCA pending

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 21):

Interesting.All Aircraft in One Purchase order.Or Staggered.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineVictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Air-Titan's got some pretty good aircrafts. Besides they're HQd in DXB.
All the best Thomas thumbsup 

Olly


User currently offlineFlyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Hi everyone..i had contacted Air Titan, got a reply stating that course starts this June 15th. (that would mean they shud have got their a/c here already right?)

or

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 21):
VT- once the fleet arrives ..approval from DGCA pending

Do you mean the VT fleet for their proposed charter operations? I got the impression that even the cessnas have not yet arrived in India?

For the CPL course they have stated cessna 172 for the single eng + IR and P68C for the MER.

For CPL course fee is 12.5L and MER on P68C is 3.5L (10 hrs) . MER on the King air c90B would cost 6L.

Is it necessary to get a MER on multiple types after getting a CPL? Kingfisher website requires trainee ATR pilots to have atleast 25hrs MER while applying for the job.

Question: is it advantageous or is it necessary to have a MER on a jet? Which schools in India offer MER on jets?

Thanks,
Thomas.


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Flyhigh@tom (Reply 24):
is it advantageous or is it necessary to have a MER on a jet?

Necessary...I don't think so.

Advantageous...definitely, added to the fact that very few flight schools offer MER in jets and High Altitude Rating in India (as you know OFS is one of them).

My guess is that jet experience would definitely count on your favour, even if you don't put in a lot more hours than the eligibility requires.

Btw the AirTitan site looks good man..also the course duration is almost a year..which is much better compared to OFS..



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