ATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 558 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 19559 times:
Wow, they sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips. I do have to say though I think that style of wingtip looks a lot better on the Boeing 737's than the Airbus A320. How much do these new wingtips effect the planes performance?
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 19535 times:
About time we see the winglets make their apperance into the fleet! We where told that we should expect to see them sometime in '06. I have to admit that they look pretty good!
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 19506 times:
I thought that Airbus just began testing the winglets in spring? How comes that first deliveries alreagy got them? Are they gonna be available as a retrofit or are the changes to the wing structure too grave to refit existing A32S with them ... ?
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 19267 times:
The old style are more of wing fairings, they really didn't do much to add to fuel efficency. They new winglets are suppose to have the same fuel savings as Boeing's Winglets.
AvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1040 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 19031 times:
I think I would have painted the winglet blue rather than left it white with the 2 thin stripes. I know, I know, everybodys a critic. It'll be a while for me I'm sure but I'm looking forward to my first wingletted A320 ride. Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?
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J32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 18786 times:
JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets. These are Airbus' attempt at the winglets. The other design is supposed to be a true "blended" winglet that looks alot like the ones on the 737.
Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 18603 times:
Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 2): hey sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips.
I'm not at all crazy about the look of the Airbus wingtip fences, but I'm not sure these "winglets" are any better. Look rather flimsy to me.
Quoting J32driver (Reply 17): JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets.
Really? Any more detail on that? Are they planning on using company planes that would otherwise be in revenue service? Or are they using two revenue flights on the same route as a comparison test?
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Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 4991 posts, RR: 38 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 18524 times:
Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 14): Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?
Do the A318 - A321 share a common wing (in terms of dimensions not just design) if so then the winglet will physically fit.
However the main consideration is the role of the aircraft. The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.
A318s are generally used on shorter flights, therefore they probably wont be cost effective, whereas on A320/A321s doing longer flights they are worth the investment.
Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 18486 times:
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 21): The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.
Not disputing you here, but if that's the case, what about WN? Their 737 fleet, by and large, have the blended winglets, but yet many of the a/c fly rather short flights. I find it hard to believe, but does WN take a penalty on the short-hauls knowing they'll make it up on the long-hauls? Or is there some other explanation? Thanks for any info!
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AeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1601 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 18270 times:
Remember, Airbus was going to test a set of winglets that they designed and a set that Winglet Systems designed. The Airbus winglets appear to have been tested on the Airbus owned A320:
26 AirframeAS: I wonder if Boeing Aviation Partners patented the winglets for large aircraft or not....
27 BlueSky1976: Ummm... they're not Boeing winglets. They're Aviation Partner's winglets. And 737 was not the first plane flying with them (GIV and GV were). I thoug
29 777gk: Technically, they are Aviation Partners Boeing winglets, so yes, they are Boeing products. Boeing bought them out several years ago.
30 Scbriml: Winglets do add weight, and since there's no such thing in life as a free ride, they only reduce fuel consumption on longer segments while in cruise.
31 Richierich: Question: Who the heck cares what they look like? They are WINGLETS, people. I'd put one on my car if it would help eek out another 5mpg! The more app
32 RichM: I think the ones on the 737NG's look better.
33 Lrgt: Because Crude is $70/bbl and JetA is $2/gal!
34 EMB195: Hey this is my first post! Anyways...will these winglets make a difference more on the longer or shorter routes? Or both? Hopefully we'll see them in
35 N328KF: I think the raked wingtips on the U.S. Navy P-8 (737-800ER) look best of all.
36 Ikramerica: This is a whole lot of misinformation. Winglets do the following (with various effectiveness depending on design): Reduce burn in cruise Reduce takeo
37 OyKIE: Good point Nighthawk. Isn't there some design weaknesses to the wing of the A320 series when at the end of the envelope, and that this winglet will r
38 Richierich: No details but all TLS-built Airbuses have temporary French registrations until they are handed over to their new owners. I didn't check but this reg
39 ANITIX87: You're not in the minoirty, because you have an opinion. You care what they look like, and you don't like them. Harry was saying "You're in the minor
40 Lightsaber: Good question. Who won the fly off? Or will one of each be tested "in the system?" Its all about economics. I too wonder this. The photo supplied see
41 Keesje: The other winglets were supposed to be elliptical ones. Henry Lam did a study on them. A320EP (3200nm range, 4 row stretch, CFM56-9, roof windows, new
42 Airwave: Ah, didn't realize a few of those points. Makes sense now. Thanks for that. Airwave
43 Chris133: Actually, you could pick up a winglet by hand (I believe they weight well under 100lbs each if someone knows better please let me know). They don't a
44 B6JFKH81: This is absolutely correct. Based on that pic, those are the Airbus design. The guy that designed the blended winglets started his own company and de
45 Socalatc: Makes a terrible looking airplane loose even worse.. Eww..
46 MD80Nut: I think the A320 looks simply awful with those new winglets. The wing tip fences look much better, and give the A320 a unique look. All this, of cours
47 AeroWeanie: Almost right. The GII was the first aircraft to fly with API winglets. Wrong. Aviation Partners, Inc. has a joint venture with Boeing called Aviation
48 AirbusA346: I can't wait to see the blended winglets on the A320. Tom.
49 ChiGB1973: I hope so. They look awesome. I worked for TZ and they amazed me every time I looked. They are so huge. A pilot said the winglets on the 738's of TZ'
50 Boo25: Much prefer the original ones - more dynamic / modern - new ones are same old thing.............
52 RIHNOSAUR: ok ok from the visual point of view they look pretty cool ..I still kind of prefer the old style wing tip fence....but these are cool..aditionally I t
53 Skoker: Can't help but laugh like an immature loser at that one. ...Oh, that's right *hides in skoker's corner*
54 Turbo7x7: A few months back, I flew on a CO B738 w/ winglets from EWR to BUF which is a pretty short flight, just 60 minutes. Unless that was a brainfart on CO'
55 UA772IAD: Hmm... I liked the old ones better, their shape fit the 320 better. Hopefully some airlines will keep them on their current 320s. Although, to be perf
56 N600RR: Hey...be nice! Remember, two wonglets don't make a Wright.
57 N766UA: Those suckers sure look goofy! Oh well, I guess I'd take efficiency over looks too.
58 SpruceMoose: pure speculation on my part, but based on the E190s I'd guess they'll go with plain blue:
59 MIAMIx707: I don't like winglets at all, sorry. Can't think of a more boring looking airliner than the A320 so perhaps the winglets will at least make it look..
61 Ikramerica: forgot about that one. all else being equal, for the same route a wingletted aircraft would need to carry less fuel to travel a given distance, which
62 RIHNOSAUR: Ohhh !@#$%^! man...that is on hell of a shot thanks ....you gave me the laugh of the week! hahahahaha.. That pic is just unbelievable..but its cool t
63 Milan320: Oh man, that's just weird. Strictly speaking about aesthetics or looks, can't say I like them at all. Although I think they're somewhat better than th
64 RayChuang: The A320 with those winglets sure look kind of strange. It doesn't look as well-integrated as the Aviation Partners winglets used on the 737-700/800/9
65 TS-IOR: What is the difference in price and in performances between traditional and new winglets ?
67 AirMailer: FL has 28 737-700s. Some of them have wingtips, some do not. FL does most of it's flying 3 hours or less. When I took one of their flights, the leg f
68 7E72004: Would it be possible to put wingtips on the 717?
69 AirMailer: You would think right? After all, they are the largest operator of them, and they are probably going to have them for another 25 years. Just to be cl
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