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User currently offlineJbond From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 21079 times:

Seen this morning at TLS, news wonglets now on s/n 2755 full JBU cls.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1054589/L/

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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20986 times:

it looks very nice! Do you know if that's a test flight or the delivery one ??

User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20986 times:

Wow, they sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips. I do have to say though I think that style of wingtip looks a lot better on the Boeing 737's than the Airbus A320. How much do these new wingtips effect the planes performance?

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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20962 times:

About time we see the winglets make their apperance into the fleet! We where told that we should expect to see them sometime in '06. I have to admit that they look pretty good!


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20933 times:

I thought that Airbus just began testing the winglets in spring? How comes that first deliveries alreagy got them? Are they gonna be available as a retrofit or are the changes to the wing structure too grave to refit existing A32S with them ... ?

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20856 times:

How much does it cost to put a pair of winglets onto a plane?


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20734 times:

Why the wnglet change? Are these winglets supposed to be more efficient than those of the old style?


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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20694 times:

The old style are more of wing fairings, they really didn't do much to add to fuel efficency. They new winglets are suppose to have the same fuel savings as Boeing's Winglets.


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20595 times:

Sorry, but I think they look like an afterthought compared to the Boeing blended winglets....


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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20572 times:

I agree Tjwgrr. BBW look factory fresh as opposed to Airbus' look after-market bolt on.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20572 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 5):
How much does it cost to put a pair of winglets onto a plane?

I seem to recall that the costs for a 737NG are around $2 Million per plane.


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20514 times:

well....now the A320 looks like a big papa ERJ 175  Smile


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20486 times:

The winglets on the 757 look kind of funky...for some reason it does not look right  Big grin


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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20458 times:

Are these the Airbus factory ones, or the After market ones. I know jetBlue aircraft are going to be flight testing both types.


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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20458 times:

I think I would have painted the winglet blue rather than left it white with the 2 thin stripes. I know, I know, everybodys a critic. It'll be a while for me I'm sure but I'm looking forward to my first wingletted A320 ride. Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20419 times:

@ AvroArrow:

"Can the new winglets be used on everything from 318 to 321?"

I don´t see why not, looks great on JetBlue´s 320 not those big rabbit ears that´s stuck on the 737s. *matter of taste*

How about longer range with new winglets?? I haven´t read anything about it on Airbus website..

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20419 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
The winglets on the 757 look kind of funky...for some reason it does not look right Big grin

It makes the 757 look like a TU 204............ Wink



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User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20213 times:

JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets. These are Airbus' attempt at the winglets. The other design is supposed to be a true "blended" winglet that looks alot like the ones on the 737.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20177 times:

Are these winglets a customer option because it seems that some planes further on the line have not been fitted.


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20081 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 16):
It makes the 757 look like a TU 204............

Or maybe it really reveals that the TU204 looks like the B757.  Smile  Smile  Smile

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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20030 times:

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 2):
hey sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips.

I'm not at all crazy about the look of the Airbus wingtip fences, but I'm not sure these "winglets" are any better. Look rather flimsy to me.

Quoting J32driver (Reply 17):
JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets.

Really? Any more detail on that? Are they planning on using company planes that would otherwise be in revenue service? Or are they using two revenue flights on the same route as a comparison test?


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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19951 times:

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 14):
Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?

Do the A318 - A321 share a common wing (in terms of dimensions not just design) if so then the winglet will physically fit.

However the main consideration is the role of the aircraft. The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.

A318s are generally used on shorter flights, therefore they probably wont be cost effective, whereas on A320/A321s doing longer flights they are worth the investment.



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19913 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 21):
The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.

Not disputing you here, but if that's the case, what about WN? Their 737 fleet, by and large, have the blended winglets, but yet many of the a/c fly rather short flights. I find it hard to believe, but does WN take a penalty on the short-hauls knowing they'll make it up on the long-hauls? Or is there some other explanation? Thanks for any info!

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19841 times:

Let's include this inline:


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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1606 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19697 times:
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Remember, Airbus was going to test a set of winglets that they designed and a set that Winglet Systems designed. The Airbus winglets appear to have been tested on the Airbus owned A320:

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These new ones look smaller and might be the Winglet Systems ones:

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25 Post contains images AirbusA346 : I don't like them. Tom.
26 Post contains images AirframeAS : I wonder if Boeing Aviation Partners patented the winglets for large aircraft or not....
27 BlueSky1976 : Ummm... they're not Boeing winglets. They're Aviation Partner's winglets. And 737 was not the first plane flying with them (GIV and GV were). I thoug
28 LY777 : I don't like them sorry
29 777gk : Technically, they are Aviation Partners Boeing winglets, so yes, they are Boeing products. Boeing bought them out several years ago.
30 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Winglets do add weight, and since there's no such thing in life as a free ride, they only reduce fuel consumption on longer segments while in cruise.
31 Richierich : Question: Who the heck cares what they look like? They are WINGLETS, people. I'd put one on my car if it would help eek out another 5mpg! The more app
32 RichM : I think the ones on the 737NG's look better.
33 Post contains images Lrgt : Because Crude is $70/bbl and JetA is $2/gal!
34 Post contains images EMB195 : Hey this is my first post! Anyways...will these winglets make a difference more on the longer or shorter routes? Or both? Hopefully we'll see them in
35 N328KF : I think the raked wingtips on the U.S. Navy P-8 (737-800ER) look best of all.
36 Ikramerica : This is a whole lot of misinformation. Winglets do the following (with various effectiveness depending on design): Reduce burn in cruise Reduce takeo
37 OyKIE : Good point Nighthawk. Isn't there some design weaknesses to the wing of the A320 series when at the end of the envelope, and that this winglet will r
38 Richierich : No details but all TLS-built Airbuses have temporary French registrations until they are handed over to their new owners. I didn't check but this reg
39 ANITIX87 : You're not in the minoirty, because you have an opinion. You care what they look like, and you don't like them. Harry was saying "You're in the minor
40 Post contains images Lightsaber : Good question. Who won the fly off? Or will one of each be tested "in the system?" Its all about economics. I too wonder this. The photo supplied see
41 Post contains links Keesje : The other winglets were supposed to be elliptical ones. Henry Lam did a study on them. A320EP (3200nm range, 4 row stretch, CFM56-9, roof windows, new
42 Post contains images Airwave : Ah, didn't realize a few of those points. Makes sense now. Thanks for that. Airwave
43 Chris133 : Actually, you could pick up a winglet by hand (I believe they weight well under 100lbs each if someone knows better please let me know). They don't a
44 B6JFKH81 : This is absolutely correct. Based on that pic, those are the Airbus design. The guy that designed the blended winglets started his own company and de
45 Socalatc : Makes a terrible looking airplane loose even worse.. Eww..
46 Post contains images MD80Nut : I think the A320 looks simply awful with those new winglets. The wing tip fences look much better, and give the A320 a unique look. All this, of cours
47 Post contains images AeroWeanie : Almost right. The GII was the first aircraft to fly with API winglets. Wrong. Aviation Partners, Inc. has a joint venture with Boeing called Aviation
48 AirbusA346 : I can't wait to see the blended winglets on the A320. Tom.
49 ChiGB1973 : I hope so. They look awesome. I worked for TZ and they amazed me every time I looked. They are so huge. A pilot said the winglets on the 738's of TZ'
50 Boo25 : Much prefer the original ones - more dynamic / modern - new ones are same old thing.............
51 Post contains links and images COA735 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Markman I agree. They look the best on 737's. Not that good lookin on 320's though. JM
52 RIHNOSAUR : ok ok from the visual point of view they look pretty cool ..I still kind of prefer the old style wing tip fence....but these are cool..aditionally I t
53 Skoker : Can't help but laugh like an immature loser at that one. ...Oh, that's right *hides in skoker's corner*
54 Turbo7x7 : A few months back, I flew on a CO B738 w/ winglets from EWR to BUF which is a pretty short flight, just 60 minutes. Unless that was a brainfart on CO'
55 Post contains images UA772IAD : Hmm... I liked the old ones better, their shape fit the 320 better. Hopefully some airlines will keep them on their current 320s. Although, to be perf
56 Post contains images N600RR : Hey...be nice! Remember, two wonglets don't make a Wright.
57 N766UA : Those suckers sure look goofy! Oh well, I guess I'd take efficiency over looks too.
58 Post contains images SpruceMoose : pure speculation on my part, but based on the E190s I'd guess they'll go with plain blue:
59 MIAMIx707 : I don't like winglets at all, sorry. Can't think of a more boring looking airliner than the A320 so perhaps the winglets will at least make it look..
60 Post contains links and images BR715-A1-30 : Give me a non-winglet, non-fan, JT3 Water-Injected turbojet Boeing 707 anyday over these ECOJets. View Large View MediumPhoto © Charlie Atterbury
61 Post contains images Ikramerica : forgot about that one. all else being equal, for the same route a wingletted aircraft would need to carry less fuel to travel a given distance, which
62 Post contains images RIHNOSAUR : Ohhh !@#$%^! man...that is on hell of a shot thanks ....you gave me the laugh of the week! hahahahaha.. That pic is just unbelievable..but its cool t
63 Milan320 : Oh man, that's just weird. Strictly speaking about aesthetics or looks, can't say I like them at all. Although I think they're somewhat better than th
64 RayChuang : The A320 with those winglets sure look kind of strange. It doesn't look as well-integrated as the Aviation Partners winglets used on the 737-700/800/9
65 TS-IOR : What is the difference in price and in performances between traditional and new winglets ?
66 Skoker : Icing/temp probe?
67 AirMailer : FL has 28 737-700s. Some of them have wingtips, some do not. FL does most of it's flying 3 hours or less. When I took one of their flights, the leg f
68 7E72004 : Would it be possible to put wingtips on the 717?
69 AirMailer : You would think right? After all, they are the largest operator of them, and they are probably going to have them for another 25 years. Just to be cl
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