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What Cities/planes Will ATA Expand To?  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

I read a news report (i believe it was one of the Indianapolis news web pages) that ATA plans to expand in terms of cities and planes in the coming couple of years. Where do you think they will go and what planes would they be interested in obtaining?


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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

It is hard to tell. I am thinking 737's from cities where SW codeshare can be integrated like, HOU, MCO or BWI.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 1):


It is hard to tell. I am thinking 737's from cities where SW codeshare can be integrated like, HOU, MCO or BWI.

Looking down the road, and assuming a healthy, growing TZ with additional aircraft:

PHX-Mexico
MDW-More Mexico besides PVR and CUN
MDW-Carribean
TPA/MCO/FLL-Carribean
BWI-Europe (long shot)



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Maybe they should come to frickin' MSP.  irked 

Mark


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Didn't ATA operate JFK-Europe service a while back?


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

How about HOU-Mexico?


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User currently offlineSFO212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

I think SFO would be a good choice  Wink

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):


How about HOU-Mexico?

No commercial FIS facilities at HOU. But I'll bet if WN twisted a few arms...it "might" get done.

CO of course would fire off legal salvos left and "wright"---pun intended.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

BWI-Europe may be a good choice because of Southwest's operation there. Plus, with Southwest getting the upgrade to its computer system in the coming years, it could work out pretty good. I would say PHL-Europe but i think that is a VERY long shot  Big grin


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 8):


I would say PHL-Europe but i think that is a VERY long shot

Exactly. BWI-Europe is a market currently devoid of US carrier operations. TZ could easily begin service to open-skies countries...and could probably snag some BWI-STN/LGW authority if they wanted it.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 4):
Didn't ATA operate JFK-Europe service a while back?

I think it was to Dublin (and I guess therefore Shannon too). And also some EDI-Orlando charters I think



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

I think you are right. I remember flying their IND-PIE-FLL route and looking at a route map. They had some "unusual" routes like that.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 8):


I would say PHL-Europe but i think that is a VERY long shot

Exactly. BWI-Europe is a market currently devoid of US carrier operations. TZ could easily begin service to open-skies countries...and could probably snag some BWI-STN/LGW authority if they wanted it.

No argument from this corner either. I would say PIT-Europe service, but does anyone really want to reopen that can of worms why that would not work???

Then again, I believe that TZ is a LCC. Perhaps it would drive up international O&D at PIT. Going back to the other hand, there is no O&D there to begin with and there likely will not be for some extended period of time...



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
Maybe they should come to frickin' MSP. irked

Because that really worked for them before



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Because that really worked for them before

If they would have advertised that they were in kahoots with Southwest, they might have been more successful.

Mark


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
Maybe they should come to frickin' MSP.

 rotfl   rotfl 

They came. They saw. They left.  Smile

Actually, as that was always a good route for ML back in the day, I was disappointed to see ATA pull out. I heard that had things been just a little different (better financial condition, entrenched code-share to all WN cities [not just the few that they had at the time], right aircraft for the route delivered and in-service), they might have stayed, and that it was a borderline call that might just as well have gone the other way, and which might well have gone the other way today. We'll see how FL does on it, without the WN code-share.

Anyway, great post, Mark.


User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Not trying to get off topic here but is ATA basically Southwest's airline to do what they don't want to do themselves (The international(maybe) or Hawaii routes / not only using 737). Also does ATA have any business plan to establish a hub of their own not dependent on Southwest, cause if they depend on Southwest for everything then aren't they kinda like their lap dog?

Thanks,
Brandon



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 16):
is ATA basically Southwest's airline to do what they don't want to do themselves

No. It isn't. However, on the scheduled service side, ATA is benefitting from the WN code share in two ways: (1) additional passengers to routes that (a) it has traditionally served [MDW-LGA, MDW-DCA] and (b) some new routes that WN wouldn't serve but which are helped by the code-share [LGA-IAH]; (2) additional "street cred" or "pax cred" or "legitimacy" owing to its relationship with WN, which may encourage some folks to try it and hopefully like what they find.

The balance of ATA's business plan involves increasing its commercial charter business and military charter business, in both of which it provides a top-notch, higher-end product than many of its competitors. Those businesses were treated like ugly stepchildren by the John Tague management team, which is now gone; those businesses are well-appreciated by the current private owners, which are looking to draw additional revenue from them.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Of course being a Houstonian I'd like to see some expansion from Hobby.


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Thanks Wjanndee you told me what I wanted to know. I really hope that Southwest doesn't take what they learned from ATA and do it themselves, like starting routes to Hawaii themselves. I love ATA's livery, I find it very tasteful, and don't want to see that go. So do you think that as time goes on ATA and Southwest will work together even more or stay where they are now?

Thanks,
Brandon



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 4):
Didn't ATA operate JFK-Europe service a while back?

About 15 years ago to Shannon, Dublin, and Riga, Latvia. However, we have been flying internationally for 33 years to all corners of the globe, just not scheduled. We have the capabilities and aircraft to fly virtually anywhere in the world.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

As for aircraft to be added to sched service, it will be about 2-3 more 737NGs per year.

The charter side will see 7-9 widebodies very soon, probably over the next year or so. What types are still unknown for sure, though DC10-30s are still being discussed. L-1011-500 N164AT WILL get D checked this October, but it is hoped to avoid D checking N161AT in March 2007 if we have a widebody replacement by then.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 17):
helped by the code-share [LGA-IAH];

By the way, once again it's too late to edit, but I meant LGA-HOU, which I guess you all know.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 21):
L-1011-500 N164AT WILL get D checked this October,

Among other things, this is an indication to me that the present owners believe that they can't let the widebody fleet drop below 4, and they're willing to make the capital investment to make sure it stays there. That's good news.

At least they'll have a chance to use the new widebody paint masks on 164. I hope.


User currently offlineWN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
Maybe they should come to frickin' MSP.

Mark

TZ discontuned MSP service early this year 2006

Quoting SFO212 (Reply 6):
I think SFO would be a good choice

TZ just moved thare operations to OAK no longer service to SFO


25 DCAYOW : I think they will add Hawaii service from SAN to conx to WN operation at SAN.
26 Tmarch291 : If TZ is thinking of adding more widebodies, what type do they want?
27 Post contains images TZTriStar500 : As for want, its 767-300s. But just like life, we can't have everything we want and have to settle for the alternatives The alternative list includes
28 COERJ145 : It would be nice if we could get them back to the New England Area, ala BOS or OHR. Maybe they'll start seasonal MDW-PSP.
29 Post contains images 7E72004 : Maybe ATA should order an A380 or two.
30 ATA767 : I would be shocked if ATA considered Airbus for their fleet. The old management team was strickly boeing and only toyed with the idea when they were
31 7E72004 : Did they even consider Airbus when they were planning their new fleet? (the 737-800s). My guess is they will obviously stay with Boeing because that i
32 ATA767 : Here is a tid bit form what management is saying about expansion ...expansion plans call for about 20% growth per year - on the scheduled service side
33 Chase : I forsee: SAN-Hawaii SMF-Hawaii Maybe SEA-Hawaii again BWI-Carribean and maybe in several years BWI-SNN or BWI-CGN.
34 7E72004 : I would have to guess BWI-Europe. It makes perfect sense considering Southwest has a hub there and in a couple of years will have the computer system
35 ATA767 : Not any more!!
36 Post contains images Burnsie28 : Yes NW especially would crush ATA at IND. But on the other side, I heard they were going to start basing planes at Mariana.
37 Post contains links TZTriStar500 : The old management team is gone and no airline these days can afford to exclude any aircraft type if it makes sense to the business plan. A340s are n
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