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PIT Traffic On The Rise  
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Hello all,

Sorry for my little "vacation" there; trying to settle in to Central PA and seek employment. I saw in the Post-Gazette where it read that the airport traffic was on the rise. US traffic still continued to fall, but not nearly as much as in previous months. Anyone have any ideas as to how high PIT traffic could go up? How about the future of B6 there and any other airlines currently in talks with the A.C.A.A. and County Chief Exec. Dan Onorato?


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

I think this is a great thing for Pittsburgh International and hope traffic continues to grow for months to come.

B6 is going to increase traffic dramatically between PIT-BOS and PIT-NY. I was looking for flights from PIT-JFK in month of July and Delta has already added a fourth daily flight in anticipation of the added traffic. Delta's fare PIT-JFK is down to $158.60 round trip. I think PIT is going to continue to grow.

The next thing I am waiting for is the announcement from WN that they are adding flights and destinations from Pittsburgh.



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 1):
The next thing I am waiting for is the announcement from WN that they are adding flights and destinations from Pittsburgh.

That would certainly be nice. Even if they added frequencies and not destinations - that would be a very good thing for da burgh. That still shows that there is still some growth at PIT. The ACAA even said that the O&Ds are coming up considerably with the arrival of LCCs. I would expect to see WN carry 100,000 pax within the next month or two here. They boarded and deplaned some 90,000+plus last month...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
That would certainly be nice. Even if they added frequencies and not destinations - that would be a very good thing for da burgh. That still shows that there is still some growth at PIT. The ACAA even said that the O&Ds are coming up considerably with the arrival of LCCs. I would expect to see WN carry 100,000 pax within the next month or two here. They boarded and deplaned some 90,000+plus last month...

Yes, I would expect 100,000 plus pax for WN within the next few months as well. US Airways is still slowly losing Pittsburgh passengers to Southwest, Delta, and United Airlines!

Year-to-Date Passengers at PIT

US Airways- 1,742,017 pax (56.18%)

Southwest Airlines- 325,401 pax (10.49%)

Delta Airlines- 233,231 pax (7.52%)

United Airlines- 217,807 (7.02%)

Total Passengers--3,114,628

Courtesy of www.flypittsburgh.com



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

This should just go to prove once and for all; being a hub is not all that it is cracked up to be.
Good for Pittsburgh...



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User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Hmm....All-Star Game coming up....they need to promote the hell out of the city AND the airport. It's a crime that this beautiful airport built only 12 years ago is so underserved. They've got the facilities...this kind of growth has been a long time coming.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
This should just go to prove once and for all; being a hub is not all that it is cracked up to be.
Good for Pittsburgh...

I do miss the hub at PIT, but on the other hand... Seeing every 9 out of 10 airplanes there being a US plane did get rather old. US' dehubbing of PIT essentially opened up the playing field for other airlines to come in and pick up the ball and keep it rolling wherever US left off.

FL came in with a rather strong presence some 5 or 6 years ago, but ultimately succumbed some of the routes to US (PIT-PHL/NYC and I think BOS). When US started to drastically slash its presence at PIT, other LCCs raided the airport: U5, YX, and Flyi. Then, US decided in November of 2004 that they would close the hub. Shortly after that, WN came into town and is now the number two carrier. By this time next month, B6 will have n/s service to JFK and BOS. I do think that good times are definitely ahead for PIT.

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 5):
Hmm....All-Star Game coming up....they need to promote the hell out of the city AND the airport. It's a crime that this beautiful airport built only 12 years ago is so underserved. They've got the facilities...this kind of growth has been a long time coming.

Amen to that! I am just curious to see if and when US will start to see gains in traffic, if at all...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
I do miss the hub at PIT, but on the other hand... Seeing every 9 out of 10 airplanes there being a US plane did get rather old. US' dehubbing of PIT essentially opened up the playing field for other airlines to come in and pick up the ball and keep it rolling wherever US left off.

I was thinking the same exact thing. In 2004 spotting at PIT was US and that is about it. The other day I was up at the airport and the mixture was much better. I saw more aircraft from other airlines than US.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Amen to that! I am just curious to see if and when US will start to see gains in traffic, if at all...

I don't think US will see a gain in PIT until they are done downsizing and changing the schedule so much. US isn't totally done with its PIT schedule, so until they add flights or begin selling out a lot more flights, they probably won't see much of a gain this year anyway.

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 5):
Hmm....All-Star Game coming up....they need to promote the hell out of the city AND the airport. It's a crime that this beautiful airport built only 12 years ago is so underserved. They've got the facilities...this kind of growth has been a long time coming.

I agree with you 100%! The city is also beautiful, especially when you come out of the Fort Pitt tunnel! AMAZING VIEW!



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 7):
I agree with you 100%! The city is also beautiful, especially when you come out of the Fort Pitt tunnel! AMAZING VIEW!

I know!! No other city in the country has quite an entrance like that! You go from seeing nothing to WHAM!!! A bustling metropolitan core of a city right smack in front of you. Other spectacular views can be seen from I-279 from the North Hills or from PA-28 as well. Even the Parkway East has a good view, and that one will be better once they remove that hideous pedestrian bridge that crosses the freeway as you round the corner coming from Squirrel Hill. Some city officials are even contemplating on whether or not to put a "Welcome to Pittsburgh" sign there. That would be AWESOME!!!

Pittsburgh is such a great city. It is beautiful with plenty of open space and gorgeous modern-day skyscrapers. Plus, the people there are very nice; among the friendliest in any metropolitan area in the country. I really want it to turn around and become a successful business center again (not to imply that it is not successful now).



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 7):
I don't think US will see a gain in PIT until they are done downsizing and changing the schedule so much. US isn't totally done with its PIT schedule, so until they add flights or begin selling out a lot more flights, they probably won't see much of a gain this year anyway.

Just to emphasize the above message, I was checking the US schedule for the week of June 8, 2006 and the following changes will take place. These may not be permanent.

PIT-BOS (from 5 to 4 daily)
PIT-IND (from 4 E70s to 1 DH8 and 3 E70s)
PIT-AVP (from 3 DH8s to 2 DH8s 1 ERJ)
PIT-LGA (an additional CRJ making the total 6 daily)
PIT-MIA (Saturday only is now a B734 not a B733)
PIT-MYR (Saturday only E70s is back to 1 E70 instead of 2)
PIT-ORD (a CRJ has been upgraded to an additional E70. The total remains at 5)
PIT-PBI (the B734 is now a B733)
PIT-RSW (the B733 is now an A319)
PIT-SEA (Service to Seattle, WA has now resumed with a daily A320!!!)
PIT-CUN (Service to Cancun, Mexico has now resumed with a Sat. only A319)

Note*-Some of these may be temporary changes... www.usairways.com



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Even the Parkway East has a good view, and that one will be better once they remove that hideous pedestrian bridge that crosses the freeway as you round the corner coming from Squirrel Hill.

Already gone! Once they finish repaving the Parkway East, my drive in to work will be much better. If only they could add a third lane in to the tunnels...

Back to PIT air traffic...I don't see US adding much more to PIT, but I don't see them reducing much more, either. With leases signed on the maintenance hangars for five more years, US will probably keep the same number of aircraft flying into PIT to make the maintenance base worth while.



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User currently offlineRottamo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 1):
elta's fare PIT-JFK is down to $158.60 round trip. I think PIT is going to continue to grow.

according to CONSUMER AIR FARE REPORT:
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...le_files/consumerairfarereport.htm

average fare should be (in the future)
NY-PIT $80-$100
was $280
BOS-PIT $90-$120
was $274
That is average of all sold tickets.

Lets hope it is going to happen. And traffic should skyrocket in these routes.

Rottamo

[Edited 2006-06-04 07:21:23]

User currently offlineRottamo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Well. You guys have some quite high fares (on short routes). I took quick look and SWA could open several short routes out of town. Current passenger numbers are quite low but when fare is $80-$100 then there are much more demand.

Some SWA route ideas:
Pittsburgh, PA - Washington, DC
Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA - Pittsburgh, PA
Baltimore, MD - Pittsburgh, PA
Pittsburgh, PA -Raleigh/Durham, NC
Pittsburgh, PA - Providence, RI
Manchester, NH - Pittsburgh, PA

They are very good at short routes.
And when they opened certain shote routes in Philadelphia demand went up quite heavily.

And two future routes that are promising candidates for fare stimulation are
Detroit, MI - Pittsburgh, PA
Charlotte, NC - Pittsburgh, PA



You can check SWA fare level for these routes from that consumer fare report.

Rottamo


User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
I agree with you 100%! The city is also beautiful, especially when you come out of the Fort Pitt tunnel! AMAZING VIEW!



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
I know!! No other city in the country has quite an entrance like that! You go from seeing nothing to WHAM!!! A bustling metropolitan core of a city right smack in front of you.

One of my very first memories is coming through the Fort Pitt tunnel when my family on our way to a Pirates game at Three Rivers (when they were actually good with pre-steriods Bonds). I was barely tall enough to see the tops of the skyscrapers! Takes my breath away every time I go back...

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 9):
Pittsburgh is such a great city. It is beautiful with plenty of open space and gorgeous modern-day skyscrapers. Plus, the people there are very nice; among the friendliest in any metropolitan area in the country. I really want it to turn around and become a successful business center again (not to imply that it is not successful now).

Totally agreed. Unfortunately a lot of people I know still think of Pittsburgh as a dirty steel town. While it is still deep down Steel City USA, it's not dirty anymore at all, hasn't been for a while!! Other midwestern cities like Indy might have the edge economically, but not 1/10 the soul of Da Burgh!!



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 13):
Unfortunately a lot of people I know still think of Pittsburgh as a dirty steel town. While it is still deep down Steel City USA, it's not dirty anymore at all, hasn't been for a while!! Other midwestern cities like Indy might have the edge economically, but not 1/10 the soul of Da Burgh!!

Pittsburgh has been "cleaning up its act" since the 1950s with its restoration of the point and Gateway Center projects dating back to the days of David L. Lawrence. The steel mills closed over the years from 1978(?) thru 1998, with the latest steel mill to close, the LTV Hazelwood Cokeworks. There were about a dozen steel mills in Pittsburgh's hayday as the steel city, but now only two remain.

Today, Pittsburgh is a leader in modern green building design. The new David L Lawrence Convention Center is among the largest green buildings in the country. Green buildings are energy efficient, constructed of recyclable materials, and are quite cost effective generally. 92% of all the construction materials used to construct the Lawrence Convention Center came from the old building, according to an article about green buildings in the post gazette last year.

Because of the demise of the steel industry, the city's economy is changing from manufacturing to service and business-oriented. Hopefully with the expansion of Pittsburgh's downtown neighborhood and the addition of more hotels and other retail uses, Downtown will be the place to be again.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting Rottamo (Reply 12):
Some SWA route ideas:
Pittsburgh, PA - Washington, DC
Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA - Pittsburgh, PA
Baltimore, MD - Pittsburgh, PA
Pittsburgh, PA -Raleigh/Durham, NC
Pittsburgh, PA - Providence, RI
Manchester, NH - Pittsburgh, PA

They are very good at short routes.
And when they opened certain shote routes in Philadelphia demand went up quite heavily.

And two future routes that are promising candidates for fare stimulation are
Detroit, MI - Pittsburgh, PA
Charlotte, NC - Pittsburgh, PA

I expected the following routes by now:

PIT-PVD
PIT-MHT
PIT-BDL
PIT-BWI

I also forgot to mention that PIT-PVD on US has been reduced to 3 daily departures down from 4!



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineTooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 304 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Has US adjusted fares from PIT-LGA in responce to B6?

Also, we NEED new LCC service to the D.C. metro (FL/WN to BWI, B6 to Dulles, or anyone to DCA)...I had to take the train down last week and it was horrible (but cheap)


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting Tooluther (Reply 16):
Has US adjusted fares from PIT-LGA in responce to B6?

It appears all PIT-NYC carriers have matched B6's fares (to a degree, at least) -- US (LGA, EWR), AA (LGA), CO (EWR), DL (JFK).

I'm not sure about PIT-BOS.


User currently offlineKubus From Poland, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

They did finally. Round trip PIT-LGA same day return (think business meeting) used to cost $850 for coach, now it's $138.
There goes their revenue though, that 7:30AM to LGA and 6:10P back to PIT was always packed. Almost every time I flew, I would give up my seat on the 6:10P for 7:45P flight... I'm flying my friends for their wedding to Vegas thanks to those bumps for free.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

On the subject of PIT-NYC, does anyone know how the new AA flights to LGA are doing?

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Tooluther (Reply 16):
Also, we NEED new LCC service to the D.C. metro (FL/WN to BWI, B6 to Dulles, or anyone to DCA)...I had to take the train down last week and it was horrible (but cheap)

You took Amtrak's Capitol Limited down to D.C.? Ouch in deed!!! Doesn't that train leave in the middle of the night from PGH?

As far as any new LCC carriers from PIT to D.C., it would be nice to see WN do PIT-BWI or B6 open up PIT-IAD.

Wait a minute, when Independence started the PIT-IAD route last year or the year before, why weren't the fares adjusted then? Now that Independence is history, it would be nice to see some other LCC come in and pick up the slack; US doesn't exactly count here...



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

The Washington area market is about the last major destination from PIT with no LCC service. I've been wondering for some time who is going to jump on it and when. Independence was pretty successful that market going up against the same competition that exists now (US/UA). Granted, a lot of that was connecting traffic but that market is still there. WN to BWI would likely be the most successful candidate, both for stimulation of local traffic and for southern connecting opportunities.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 21):
Independence was pretty successful that market going up against the same competition that exists now (US/UA). Granted, a lot of that was connecting traffic but that market is still there. WN to BWI would likely be the most successful candidate, both for stimulation of local traffic and for southern connecting opportunities.

The entrance of Independence Air into the Pittsburgh-Washington market caused O&D traffic to jump 122% in a year from 3rd Qtr 2004 to 3rd Qtr 2005 (the DOT's most recent numbers) -- 181.95 avg. daily local pax in 3Q04 to 403.58 avg. daily local pax in 3Q05.

Independence Air was also the largest carrier (market share) in 3rd Qtr 2005, despite US Airways offering mainline jets to DCA.

Frankly, I expected WN to have announced PIT-BWI by now.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Well, Independence created a bunch of stimulated traffic in a bunch of markets that doesn't exist anymore - it's easy to stimulate traffic when you offer way-below-cost fares that are completely out of whack with any concept of profit and loss. Those traffic numbers should not be confused with any sort of realistic stable number.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 21):



Quoting N670UW (Reply 22):



Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 23):

Well then, I think that the next destination out of PIT for WN should either be BWI or IAD - BWI if anything, then I guess B6 would consider adding IAD at some point in the future...

I didn't think of this one either: What if FL came in to offer service from PIT-BWI. They have a large operation at BWI and have a presence at PIT. However, I don't think FL would be interested in doing so. It was just a thought...



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25 Tooluther : Yup, that's the one. Not only was it a huge pain getting up that early, but I was on the train in the news that got hit by the freight train and so i
26 CentPIT : Now that the fares are lower, AA has an average load factor of 84.13% up from an average of 75.65%. This is pretty good in my book. I don't know if i
27 Post contains images ATCT : Ive ridden that train. Frankly, I rather enjoyed it I love riding the train to DC. (even though its often late). Regarding WN, I wish we had BWI and
28 CentPIT : I would kill to see Alaska Airlines in Pittsburgh. Regarding WN PIT-Flordia, I would expect FLL if anything. RSW and PBI would be amazing though. FLL
29 Post contains links Steeler83 : Today in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/business/s_456802.html "Westinghouse Sale to Toshiba OK'd" Regar
30 Flaps : I have some engineering friends that work at the Monroeville facility. They do travel extensively, including a heavy amount of international travel. T
31 CentPIT : Great news for Pittsburgh! I hope they decide to locate the facility near PIT. Why would they go to another state when they already have most of thei
32 Steeler83 : Good question. Granted, this probably will not yield any new international service, but added pax loads to JFK/ATL/LAX/ORD and others would not be ba
33 CentPIT : Yeah! Maybe we can regain service that US dropped such as: PIT-BNA PIT-ATL PIT-DFW PIT-IAH PIT-MSP PIT-MHT Those can all support service now, hahaha!
34 Rottamo : Average Indipendent fare (Pittsburg-Washington) was $109 and route lenght is 205 miles. Typical WN fare for route that long was $80-$90 during Q3/200
35 Steeler83 : Especially DFW. It was rather stupid IMO for US to discontinue that. Dallas is one of the top business destinations for Pittsburgh travelers. They sh
36 Tooluther : Does AA every "re-mainline" their stations after they drop the to all eagle? It seams like the decision to downgrade the station was because of senior
37 Post contains images Steeler83 : Yeah... they sure are committed to serving PIT aren't they...
38 N670UW : And the route would be gone just as fast. US would lose a lot of money at those fares. One would think Pittsburgh-Dallas could support something larg
39 Post contains links N670UW : Also, some minor PIT news... JetBlue signs a long-term lease through 2018, and the ACAA has scrapped the cell phone lot idea... http://www.post-gazett
40 USPIT10L : Actually, the most flights per day were 14, in the summer/fall of 2001, and they went to ATL, MDW, LGA, and PHL. MCO and FLL were added in 2003. FL n
41 Steeler83 : I hear that AA Eagle is doing quite well on PIT-MIA with good load factors on their flights. Don't they fly Embraer jets down there, or are they CRJs
42 CentPIT : AA needs to offer 7 daily flights on PIT-DFW, the passengers are there! The 70 seaters are probabaly a good aircraft, but 5 daily isn't enough! Forge
43 Flaps : Where do you get a 1978 date for the station opening? AA has been here since the Electra days. Could you be thinking of DL?
44 Rottamo : These numbers seems to be quite high. I have seen load factors around (for US) PIT-DFW 65%-70% PIT-ORD around 65% PIT-LGA around 60% I am curious. Wh
45 Post contains images CentPIT : They are just averages from flights and information I compound. I never said they were 100% accurate, but I doubt they are very far off. I would say
46 Steeler83 : Sure, I could see US doing that instead of A319 service. I didn't even think about them doing that! Yeah, if PIT is one of DFW's top 10 O&D markets a
47 N670UW : Just a minor correction, Pittsburgh is nowhere near being part of DFW's top 10 O&D markets. PIT is around 40-ish on DFW's O&D list. DFW is Pittsburgh
48 GoAllegheny : Steeler83, I just returned from a three-day conference of wind energy developers and businesses in Pittsburgh, over 4,000 at the convention center. As
49 CentPIT : Isn't it!! Much better, haha! I think B6 will benefit Pittsburgh way more than AirTran has/will in the future!
50 Rottamo : OK. I will try to calculate real numbers from DOT data during next week (quite busy now). I just feel that PIT-LGA load factor should be much lower b
51 CentPIT : Ok, I hope my numbers are close! B6 will def. increase load factors on PIT-NY and PIT-BOS. I am so happy!
52 Post contains images Steeler83 : Thanks for sharing in my optimism in the future of Downtown! I remember hearing about the American Wind Energy Association's annual convention coming
53 Post contains links CentPIT : Well, I have some more Pittsburgh news! Delta Airlines has added another PIT-CVG frequency bringing the total to 7 daily flights! PIT-ATL now has 6 da
54 USPIT10L : Except for MHT, I wholeheartedly agree. The Northeast-PIT runs are stable for the moment. But there is no reason for PIT to have one airline flying m
55 CentPIT : I find it hard to believe that US doesn't have even two runs to ATL. Why is PIT-MHT not feasible? I think you could easily fill 3 daily ERJs.
56 USPIT10L : That's a future WN market. US will not touch that with a ten-foot pole from PIT again. The midwestern/southeastern/western services should resume eve
57 Steeler83 : I believe that SEA and SFO have returned for the summer. What could be some other cities to return to US' network out of PIT, MCI and STL? Even thoug
58 JetBlueAUS : JetBlue will not only increase load factors but also help dramatically lower those high fares, and make flying affordable. I guess you could call it
59 N670UW : SFO is yearround, it's SAN that is seasonal. Both SAN and SEA have returned for the summer (as has CUN on Saturdays). I think ATL or DFW could return
60 Steeler83 : It seems that the A.C.A.A. are very committed to keeping B6 in the burgh for a while after they start service. B6 already agreed to a long-term lease
61 N670UW : It should be interesting to see if they enter PIT-Florida, particularly FLL. PIT-South Florida doesn't really have an abundance of seats, anyway. The
62 Flaps : USPIT101 I stand humbly corrected. Thanks.
63 ATCT : Each had one daily flight back in fall/winter 2003. -ATCT
64 USPIT10L : DC9s, Bac111s, F100s and 727s mostly on mainline. Express was anything from a Do328 to an ERJ. I hope most of the midwest stuff (MSP, MKE, DTW, MCI,
65 CentPIT : Right before PIT-DTW was dropped, the route was operated with 3 daily ERJs! On the US website, the E90 has a US Airways Express livery on the aircraf
66 SLCUT2777 : I really think DL would serve PIT better by adding a flight to SLC. It wouldn't do much for O&D, BUT it would offer PIT travelers more west coast opt
67 Tooluther : The 190 picture on the US site was resolved in a separate thread. It is just a reuse of the 170's pictured elsewhere on the site. The 190's should be
68 CentPIT : I agree 100%! I think PIT has to be one of Delta's top 5 markets to be added. Oh, ok I wasn't sure thank you.
69 Willbdsp : I flew DTW-PIT in November, 2001 and it was on a 734 or a 733, I don't remember now. Last year, before US dropped DTW from PIT, it was on a ERJ operat
70 CentPIT : Yeah, sad isn't it. Pittsburgh is on the rebound though!
71 SLCUT2777 : The EMB-170 by Shuttle America would be a good start for this, even though I would predict this route would become mainline worthy very quickly just
72 Flaps : I too would like to see some more midwestern, western and south Florida routes return but not with US. I simply wont fly them anymore. Therefore I gue
73 Steeler83 : Just curious, but why not? And about DL adding a freq to SLC, that would be awesome!! I am not sure of what aircraft they could use for that. Perhaps
74 Post contains links Tooluther : Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 73): Ooooohh I think good times are ahead for [the] burgh! Too bad you started the post with the announcement that you made g
75 USPIT10L : ATCT, I don't recall those flights ever being added. I remember a one-stop through ATL to TPA in early 2003, but never any nonstops. FL still publish
76 Werdywerd : Speaking of PIT, i've been there twice this month already. I am part of a team for Jetblue that sets up the new stations. I will be going back next we
77 N670UW : Where is JetBlue's gate - C56? I think I had heard that but I wasn't sure.
78 FCYTravis : Nashville service will return beginning July 8, with two daily USX/Trans States ERJs.
79 CentPIT : The Hyatt it very nice indeed. My high school has been having our prom there for a few years now! I like it a lot. PIT-BNA? THIS is sweet!!!!!!! I ju
80 Steeler83 : I just could not find anything in my field of study out there. All of the jobs I am looking for are either out here in Central PA or in MD. (I have a
81 MasseyBrown : I live in the Maryland suburbs of Wash DC and have gotten to know Baltimore pretty well. My heart's in the Midwest; but I have to admit Ball'moore (s
82 Post contains links CentPIT : More good news for Pittsburgh! AA will be adding a 6th daily flight PIT-DFW! This service begins the same day that AA discontinues BUF-DFW (Sept. 6, 2
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