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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

With US inspectors praising security measures at Cairo International Airport (CAI) last month*, could this be a possible indication that US airlines are expected to launch US-CAI flights soon? In addition SITA won a contract to further enhance security at 7 Egyptian airports (including CAI)** and the airport itself will see its new terminal (T3) and runway open in the latter part of 2007. Egyptair's JFK flights are going from strength to strength and a little healthy competition never hurt anyone.

Sources:
* http://www.amcham.org.eg/BSAC/WatchBulletin/Issues/jun106.asp
** http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZA...17EA26-F5E0-11D4-867D00D0B74A0D7C/

Horus


EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
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User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.

Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

TWA operated the route until they were acquired by AA.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.

I would agree that DL (and possibly CO) are forerunners if US carriers decide to launch CAI flight. How about UA who recently announced plans for KWI?

DL started CAI services in S01 operating 3x weekly JFK-CAI-DXB-CAI-JFK MD-11 flights.

AA took over TWA flights maintaining a 6x weekly JFK-CAI-RUH-CAI-JFK B763 service.

Unfortunately both terminated their services post-9/11.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

DL started their flights at the start of the 2001 summer season.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
TWA operated the route until they were acquired by AA.

AA maintained their JFK-CAI-RUH flights after taking over TWA. TLV (their only other ME destination) was terminated however. The AA service was terminated on October 20th 2001.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

Well Egyptair have a daily CAI-JFK-CAI B777 service. A SFO-JFK-CAI would be great. I can imagine UA having a SFO-ORD-CAI flight though.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 4):
Well Egyptair have a daily CAI-JFK-CAI B777 service. A SFO-JFK-CAI would be great. I can imagine UA having a SFO-ORD-CAI flight though.

Yeah I would have to fly out of SFO, SMF, OAK because those are the closest airports to me seeing that flying out of FAT would just add another leg.

Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

Thanks Horus



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Yeah I would have to fly out of SFO, SMF, OAK because those are the closest airports to me seeing that flying out of FAT would just add another leg.

How would you go there if you had to go tomorrow? SFO-JFK (DL) JFK-CDG (DL) CDG-CAI (AF c/s with DL)?

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

Well Egyptair have been gradually increasing their JFK flights (it went daily last month). The B777s are fitted with 12F/21C/286Y seats. In Y class the service is top notch, meals are fulfilling and legroom is a hell of a lot better than most airlines. The only issue is lack of PTVs and the use of large screens down the aisle. I flew Horus (Business) class on the B777 once back in 2004 on the LHR-CAI route and was impressed. Though they aren't lie flat beds the service makes up for it. Egyptair has one of the highest cabin crew to passenger ratio which means more attention to passengers.

A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

If a US carrier would (re)launch a service to Cairo, by guess would also be CO or DL, but even with Egyptair doing well on their routes to the US and even with the improvements in security at CAI, I just dont think that Cairo is a priority for US carriers at the moment.

As for CO, they simply dont have the aircraft to open up the route......CO's 767 and 777 fleets are being used to their limits and clearly the "757 trick" would not work on EWR-CAI. DL did try Cairo once, as pointed out above, and the timing was all wrong; maybe they will try again - a lot depends upon how all of the new routes launched this summer work out - lets see if longhaul will be the answer to Delta's problems.

Maybe we will be surprised, after all, who ever thought that UA would open up IAD-Kuwait?


User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

Might AA sell the route authority they have to CAI if another US carrier was interested in starting service to CAI or other destinations in Egypt ? Maybe UA be interested, they have additional 744's they could add to their fleet, using that or freeing up a 772 for IAD or ORD to CAI service. AA seems tight on 777's, and have little interest in starting new service to middle east from what they have demonstrated.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
If a US carrier would (re)launch a service to Cairo, by guess would also be CO or DL, but even with Egyptair doing well on their routes to the US and even with the improvements in security at CAI, I just dont think that Cairo is a priority for US carriers at the moment.

Well the market is there and warrants more non stop services. At the moment Egyptair and the likes of BA, KL, LX, LH and LX (via their own hubs) have the market to themselves. Even though CAI may not be their top priority at the moment, I would say it is high up on their list.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

IIRC the current agreement allows upto a daily service by a US carrier but I can see the Egyptian authorities happily rectify that if US carriers applied for more.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Maybe UA be interested, they have additional 744's they could add to their fleet, using that or freeing up a 772 for IAD or ORD to CAI service

UA in CAI is possible but a long shot. How is UA projected to do finanacially this year?



Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

love to see AA try SFO-JFK-CAI..would be a nice new gateway for AA.....that being said, I doubt that will happen though.... Sad

Quoting Horus (Reply 4):

DL started their flights at the start of the 2001 summer season.

I was @ DXB and was a bit surprised to see a DL bird there....was quite cool too see....

hopefully we'll see more carriers bold like UA and fly to the Middle East....I know if AA flies to the Middle East, it will get my business... yes 



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
How would you go there if you had to go tomorrow? SFO-JFK (DL) JFK-CDG (DL) CDG-CAI (AF c/s with DL)?

I would guess so sense DL is my prefered airline. All of my miles are with US though. I use those on my domestic flights as I am not the biggest fan of US international but i dont hate it as well.

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
Well Egyptair have been gradually increasing their JFK flights (it went daily last month). The B777s are fitted with 12F/21C/286Y seats. In Y class the service is top notch, meals are fulfilling and legroom is a hell of a lot better than most airlines. The only issue is lack of PTVs and the use of large screens down the aisle. I flew Horus (Business) class on the B777 once back in 2004 on the LHR-CAI route and was impressed. Though they aren't lie flat beds the service makes up for it. Egyptair has one of the highest cabin crew to passenger ratio which means more attention to passengers.

A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.


Horus

Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

Welcome to my resp. list!



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2071 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.

User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

A lot of cities could use the route. SFO or LAX as well opperated by AA or UA.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
hopefully we'll see more carriers bold like UA and fly to the Middle East....I know if AA flies to the Middle East, it will get my business... yes

Well the market is definitely there, but I guess it's the perceived threat that is holding US carriers back. But (I hope) sooner rather than later we see more US airlines in the region.

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):
It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.

I agree, however the market did take a severe battering post-9/11 more than any other market (for obvious reasons) so DL's decision was to a certain extent understandable. However I do remember back then, DL officials stating the service would relaunch on March 15th 2002 but it never happened.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

Here is a recent TR I made of in Egyptair's B777 Y class (although it was on a short domestic service):
Egyptair B777 Cairo-Sharm El Sheikh (+21 Pics) (by Horus May 29 2006 in Trip Reports)

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):

Welcome to my resp. list!

Glad to have helped.

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

Absolutely. The likes of LH and BA have a big chunk of the US-Egypt market. I guess the IAD-CAI market would heavily rely on passengers connecting connecting through IAD because I can't see a substantial O&D market there.

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 14):
I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.

DL Widget Head, I really hope it materialises.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):

A lot of cities could use the route. SFO or LAX as well opperated by AA or UA.

You mean connecting passengers?


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24314 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Regretfully there is a bias and fear by US airlines to serve the Arab world.

Even United's recent announcement of KWI service is somewhat gamble if the average person (both US & foreign) would fly a US air carrier into the region. Hopefully the strong business links to Kuwait and the Iraq reconstruction will provide ample traffic.

Overall the Middle East with the exception of Israel is viewed as a rather small marginal market that is not worth pursuing much. There are many more less risky (both safety & financially) markets out there that get the attention of US carriers instead.



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

The US uses the most oil in the world. The Middle East has the most oil.

There is plenty of business between the two regions.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

Perhaps they got the route authority from the acquisition, but Pan Am only served Cairo, IRC between 1982 and 1984. Cairo was an exclusive TWA city for the most part from the early 1950s on. (Certain cities in Europe and the Middle East were more or less the property of Pan Am or TWA and those lines were hardly if ever crossed by the other)


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

First off I am rather upset that I'll be attending college this year meaning all non-esscencial travel would have to be cancelled. Only trips home and the occasional short hop to MIA from JAX can be allowed now so CAI is out of the question even after college as my resources will be pooled to other things.

I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA. I know some people might fell it is a stretch but I think AA could work in enlarging the market as well as due to their Middle Eastern ties with RJ and TK (Which is not Middle Eastern but will provide a market). Maybe this won't happen as AA is stretched but who knows, this is all IMHO.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
Overall the Middle East with the exception of Israel is viewed as a rather small marginal market that is not worth pursuing much. There are many more less risky (both safety & financially) markets out there that get the attention of US carriers instead.

Not entirely true. The percieved risk is far greater than the actual risk. I hope at the end of the day business opportunities are exploited and not held back by bias. Also the market is significant (not as much as TLV) but still a large and profitable one.

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 20):
I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA. I know some people might fell it is a stretch but I think AA could work in enlarging the market as well as due to their Middle Eastern ties with RJ and TK (Which is not Middle Eastern but will provide a market). Maybe this won't happen as AA is stretched but who knows, this is all IMHO.

AA are well placed to serve the market due to their past experience but as quite a few have stated DL and CO seem to be the likely candidates for any US-CAI flights. If MS joins Star Alliance by 2008 (as they have stated) then UA IAD-CAI flights could materialise. US flights on the PHL-CAI route with A350/A370s would be great (well we can all dream).

Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Egyptair Does CAI-JFK-CAI Daily and CAI-YUL-CAI twice weekly on 777 services

[Edited 2006-06-07 23:33:54]

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 22):
Egyptair Does CAI-JFK-CAI Daily and CAI-YUL-CAI twice weekly on 777 services

Indeed they do. The JFK service is year round but YUL is Summer only





Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3422 times:
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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):

Like i said in some other thread and like many people here i do agree that if we are going to see any us airlines in CAI it would be either DL or CO, DL served CAI before, co tried once in the wrong time but for now both are the only two us airlines that fly to ME DL JFK - TLV and CO EWR - TLV

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

that would be a nice route to do, you reminded me when MS used to FLY LAX-JFK-CAI

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

Since I do fly to CAI a lot I tried different airlines, mostly Europeans besides of course flying MS, if you give me the choice I will take MS over any others.
MS serve this route with their B772 amazing aircraft, this aircraft have 3 classes F, C and Y I flew the 3 classes, although I prefer to be in the C "business Class" (horus class) but their Y (Economy Class) is excellent, legroom is more than some of the other airlines I flew, the food is really good (they have a choice of Fish-chicken or beef) variety of drinks ( you can drink as much as you can) Cabin crew are really so friendly, you can talk to them you can stand in the Galley for a few Minutes ( not like in the us ), overall they have a good service that you would like to try, I will be posting a TR for my latest JFK-CAI on MS as soon as I have some time to write it down.

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.

Just did  Smile hope it will Help

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Maybe we will be surprised, after all, who ever thought that UA would open up IAD-Kuwait?

Can't agree more you can never expect what can happen, even thought i don't think UA will go CAI i would love to see them in CAI

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

As far of my knowledge they don't (horus can pack me up here) but I Guarantee that if a us airline wanna fly that route it wouldn't be a problem with Egyptian Gov. at all

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):
It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.

Like horus said it was about security not profitablity

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

It’s more like the premium economy in many airlines we have here in the us

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

That’s definitely right; I flew LH couple of times on this route and the lots of people were having connection flights to US

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 14):
I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.

I think the same

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 20):
I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA.

Although i would love to see the silver metal on CAI but i don't think AA plans to go there soon.



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25 QXatFAT : Thanks a lot CaptinTUT! It is greatly appreciated! I will have to look into flying this airline to CAI. My friend just flew to CAI out of TLV. She sai
26 UA772IAD : I don't know about the Cairo end, but the DC area has a substantially large Middle Eastern/North African (and even Indian/Pakistani/SE Asian) populat
27 QXatFAT : Doesnt Saudi Arabian Airlines fly into IAD? Do they get good yeilds off of this market? Wouldnt it be easyer to fly with them and then to CAI or fina
28 Horus : Not 100% sure of the current agreement but as I said earlier... Agree. Ah yes...the LAX service. According to the Egyptair timetables I have, the rou
29 Post contains images MSYYZ : I have flown this route ( JFK-CAI-JFK ) back in 1999 on the then brand new B777 . Let me tell you that it was an amazing experience in Y class . Take
30 Horus : Out of LHR the allowance is 40kg(!) compared to the industry standard of 20-24kg. I remember that option was discussed here a few months back. CAI-YU
31 Post contains images MSYYZ : I would like to see them re-opening the lost routes first ( SYD ) via either KUL or SIN . When i was in Cairo few years ago , i used to wake up early
32 Jmy007 : Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think AA took this route over at all. I was under the impression that this route was drop just after the merge
33 Post contains links and images Horus : AA did take over TWA's service. Until this point TWA's Middle Eastern destinations were CAI, RUH and TLV. The latter was terminated but CAI, as well
34 Post contains images Jmy007 : If I remember my history, these flights were still TWA flights, Operated with TWA equipment, under TWA flight numbers as the date Oct 10the was only
35 QXatFAT : Well I think that a lot of cities would not mind having CAI service. For me, I think the show "Amazing Race" has peaked a lot of interest in the Egypt
36 N1120A : Why not go through Europe, as you can do right now? If you have US miles, why not use LH to fly SFO-FRA-CAI?
37 Post contains images MSYYZ : Cheers...
38 Post contains images AirxLiban : Even if they wanted to I dunno if the lower MTOW 777-2000s equipped with the PW4090 as MS have them equipped would allow them to get to LAX from CAI.
39 Post contains images CaptinTuT : you welcome QXatFAT, All i can say you will enjoy service that we miss here in the states. If Only Wishes can come trust so quick, that will be reall
40 Post contains links Horus : Remember the debacle AA made when they cancelled TWA's TLV service with very little notice. Back then AA, thought CAI (and RUH) were worth keeping on
41 AirxLiban : I woudl hope that at least the media division would have enough sentimentality to keep such a thing. Worth a try!
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