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User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

I am not sure if this is appropriate to ask here, so please bear with me.

On the Airbus site, it lists AC as having three new A340 aircraft 'on order'.

As I understand it, they were looking to phase out their A330, A340, and B762 aircraft for new B787 and B777.

Does anyone know what series of A340 they ordered, and if those are part of the airlines' future?

Thank you.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4833 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12754 times:
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IIRC these are the A346s they will never take delivery of

User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Thread starter):
IIRC these are the A346s they will never take delivery of

Thank you for the information. That is a shame, the A346 would have looked nice in AC colours.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12702 times:
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Quoting Trex8 (Reply 1):
IIRC these are the A346s they will never take delivery of

And were cancelled by AC when they ordered the 777s. When AC went through their reorganization, they were able to negotiate very favorable terms regarding the A346 order. It allowed AC to cancel the order with minimal financial penalty.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12590 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 2):
That is a shame, the A346 would have looked nice in AC colours.

I think the Boeing 772s, 773s and new 787s will look MUCH BETTER in AC Colors:
A Boeing 777-200LR in Air Canada Colors!

I think the 773ER will be much nicer looking than any A346!

[Edited 2006-06-02 04:20:25]


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12565 times:

So just a question... does AC still have those orders on the books or where they canned in the bankrupsy courts?


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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4795 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

IIRC, the orders were deferred until 2010 with no cancellation penalty. I think they will still be on the books until AC actually takes possession of its first few 773ERs - more of just a contingency than anything else. It isn't costing them anything to keep this option open, even though the chance of them exercising it is very close to zero.

User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12385 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Thread starter):
I think the 773ER will be much nicer looking than any A346!

No doubt the 773ER is going to look sharp in AC colours. I have always been impressed with the A346, so it would have been nice to fly at least once with AC.

I guess I'll settle for the A345.  boxedin 



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
I think the Boeing 772s, 773s and new 787s will look MUCH BETTER in AC Colors

You're right, paint the 772 and 773 in ACs toothpaste colour and a suddenly a dull looking plane will look somewhat more interesting.  biggrin 

I don't think the ACs colour scheme actually gives much to any plane. Let alone the majestic A346.

-Milan320



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 8):

I don't think the ACs colour scheme actually gives much to any plane. Let alone the majestic A346.

Can´t agree more! Very poor colour scheme!


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11773 times:

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 8):
I don't think the ACs colour scheme actually gives much to any plane. Let alone the majestic A346.

Two Changes I would make to the AC livery:
1. Engine Cowlings would be pained red with the AC Maple Leaf Logo in white.
2. The "Toothpaste color would be changed to the same metallic color used by NW (Something I would like to see DL do as well!).
This would be one really hot looking 773ER or 772LR! Big grin



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 9):
Can´t agree more! Very poor colour scheme!



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
The "Toothpaste color would be changed to the same metallic color used by NW (Something I would like to see DL do as well!).

AC designed this colour scheme so it would look different under different conditions. It's suppose to be relating the changing times of AC. I've seen AC birds with the new c/s that look white, and ones that look very blue. I think AC could of done a better job on the scheme but it definitely echos AC new corporate image.

KrisYYZ



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what series of A340 they ordered, and if those are part of the airlines' future?

As I understand it, with the procurement of the Boeing 772s, 773s and 787s, AirBus wide-bodies will be phased out of A's fleet over the next few years as these come on line. My opinion is Boeing wide-bodies are best right now for AC as well as DL.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 7):
I guess I'll settle for the A345. boxedin

Which are destined for the desert not too long from now.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 11):

AC designed this colour scheme so it would look different under different conditions.

NW's color scheme changes in the light as well.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Which are destined for the desert not too long from now.

Is this some kind of a joke? Those birds will find homes relatively easy, the same can be said for their A343 as well. Many airlines still prefer Airbus widebody's over those offered by Boeing.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Which are destined for the desert not too long from now.

The A345's are great planes, just not want AC wants right now. I'm not sure that they have met the operation performance that AC wants for ultra-long haul. But the main reason for the Airbuses departure are its 4 engines, which AC is strongly against right now.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
Those birds will find homes relatively easy, the same can be said for their A343 as well

I agree, I doubt it will be a problem finding homes for the A345's and A343X's. AC has a 2 A340-312,313 for which it might be harder to find homes. But regardless, Boeing has offered to buy them if AC can't find any one interested.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 15):
I agree, I doubt it will be a problem finding homes for the A345's and A343X's.

I think the A345 will have a problem finding a home, more so then just AC's birds. If you look at it, Singapore is looking to get rid of the aircraft because they have to take out a lot of seats to get the range they want. Where the 777-200LR doesn't have those restriction. I guess only time will tell.



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User currently offlineWhite From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

I have been watching the color schemes of Air Canada change for the past 40 years, and this recent one, toothpaste, is by far the worst. No class there at all. And how can an airline that has been in and out of bankruptcy protection for the past few years afford to paint new colors????

rm


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Quoting White (Reply 17):
And how can an airline that has been in and out of bankruptcy protection for the past few years afford to paint new colors????

The cost was marginal. The aircraft get repainted when they go for their heavy maintenance checks. It's not the paint or painting that cost money, rather the revenue lost for the hours that the plane is sitting in the hanger and not in the air.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
Two Changes I would make to the AC livery:
1. Engine Cowlings would be pained red with the AC Maple Leaf Logo in white

Might actually be nice.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 11):
AC designed this colour scheme so it would look different under different conditions.

If that's the case, nice idea on the part of AC, however, couldn't they have decided against the toothpaste colour under some of those conditions.

The only thing I like about the new scheme is the tail. I think it would have been at least better (and cheaper) if they changed the tail to what it is now and left the fusalage white.

-Milan320



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8573 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
If you look at it, Singapore is looking to get rid of the aircraft because they have to take out a lot of seats to get the range they want. Where the 777-200LR doesn't have those restriction. I guess only time will tell.

So, I guess I missed that order from SQ for the 772LR.
Either this is bait or you really don't have a clue  scratchchin 


User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
Singapore is looking to get rid of the aircraft because they have to take out a lot of seats to get the range they want.

What is the timeline for SQ phasing out the A345?


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 11):
AC designed this colour scheme so it would look different under different conditions. It's suppose to be relating the changing times of AC. I've seen AC birds with the new c/s that look white, and ones that look very blue. I think AC could of done a better job on the scheme but it definitely echos AC new corporate image.

As for the aircraft that look white,it is attributed to the aircraft in question having a hybrid paint scheme,meaning that it has a decal on the tail,otherwise the aircraft has not been painted and will not appear in it's true colour scheme until the aircraft is due for a complete painting after a heavy check.

For those of you that dislike the "toothpaste" effect,I personally like it,especially on an overcast day. The previous livery was just plain old and needed something original,it's not about copying everyone else with NW silver or for that matter staying with boring old euro-white.

A comment on the thread topic. The three A346 as mentioned above,will never be delivered to AC. Part of the deal with Airbus during AC restructuring,was that they would take delivery of the two completed A345 that were sitting at an airfield in France for almost a year and Airbus would allow AC out of it's commitment to purchase the three A346 aircraft.

It will be interesting to watch the changes at AC over the next few years. I'm reasonably confident it will be a very different airline from the one that entered this decade with a takeover of CP and the restructuring that was required to save it and allow it to prosper in the future. As much as I've been critical of Robert Milton in the past,I must say he is a brilliant man and has executed his plans extremely well.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 22):
As for the aircraft that look white,it is attributed to the aircraft in question having a hybrid paint scheme,meaning that it has a decal on the tail,otherwise the aircraft has not been painted and will not appear in it's true colour scheme until the aircraft is due for a complete painting after a heavy check.

I wasn't talking about the hybrid scheme, some of the b763 and A333 that have been fully painted look very light blue if not white in the sunlight. I believe that some of the repainted A333 where done with a even lighter shade of the metallic-blue paint than the A340, B767 and A32X's.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8245 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
I think the Boeing 772s, 773s and new 787s will look MUCH BETTER in AC Colors:

waiting for the day someone will not judge the color of a planes skin... but by the content of its character 

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):

I think the 773ER will be much nicer looking than any A346!

your obviously a Boeing fan and as i usually say in all these touchy Boeing / airbus topics, i think the fact that you being "American" has something to do with it. Bias opinions are EVERYWHERE on a.net . I love both airbus and Boeing for different reasons, not because one "looks" better than the other. I

think this is fair

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 8):
I don't think the ACs colour scheme actually gives much to any plane. Let alone the majestic A346.

agreed . I think the older scheme with the dark royal blue/green tail and the Canadian leaf on it, with the white body and red lettering, was simply a symbol and a statement. I miss it, and I thought it was classy.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Which are destined for the desert not too long from now (a340s).

you know... i think the 777s are all going to the desert as well with the 340 rival. I heard Boeing plans to sell their head corporation to Airbus, where they are going to begin the large assembly line of Concorde's whereby the engine will be as inefficient as possible to help contaminate the worlds air supply.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
Is this some kind of a joke? Those birds will find homes relatively easy, the same can be said for their A343 as well. Many airlines still prefer Airbus widebody's over those offered by Boeing.

absolutely. But many people on here would rather support their super ego rather than .... broaden their horizons so to speak lol .

[Edited 2006-06-02 21:43:05]

[Edited 2006-06-02 21:44:09]

[Edited 2006-06-02 21:48:43]

25 AC7E7 : Give me a break... Who cares if he is American or from anywhere else? Maybe he just likes Boeing planes more than Airbus. ....and that's enough beer
26 Threepoint : Neither of the above. He simply said that SQ A345's don't have the expected range and that 772LR's do. Nowhere did he imply that SQ owned those 772LR
27 SLCUT2777 : And it looks really good, even on an old, ancient and obsolete DC-9! Your profile says you're a CDF from Ontario as I recall? My first impression was
28 Post contains images CF188A : My loyalties and respects to my country are totally ... and has nothing to do with my prefer-ability to a specific branch of aircraft. It was also qu
29 Threepoint : Wouldn't really make much sense at all. Airbus is a consortium of a few European countries, only one of which, the UK, is a Commonwealth nation. It'd
30 CF188A : whatever floats your boat
31 JAL : The new Boiengs would indeed look amazing in AC livery!
32 Dutchjet : Airbus can be very unclear with its orders......orders that have been or have effectively been cancelled can remain on their books for an unspecified
33 11Bravo : ...so your loyalties are unrelated to your nationality, and you're a little bit tweaked that someone would suggest otherwise? Okay that's good. ...bu
34 Airbazar : I was being sarcastic, because of his comment that SQ "is looking to get rid of the aircraft" which is closer to being a lie than a rumor. SQ has had
35 Dutchjet : There is a huge financial aspect to the SQ and the A345 and the 772LR discussion that many seem to forget about.....not only are the 772LRs very expe
36 CF188A : Yes Sir.... Being in the Armed Forces of my home nation requires you to swear and oath to your flag. Yes indeed, I am loyal and have been in my caree
37 Post contains images RIHNOSAUR : Sorry to jump in..but this is the kind of statement that just demonstrates inability towards objectivity,....I mean why do you have to have "loyaltie
38 Fly_yhm : Out of the 777-200s and 300s which will we see in YYZ? will we see a bit of both?
39 9252fly : From what I recall reading,all the announced delivery dates mentioned(7)are for B773 and they will be based out of YYZ. I wouldn't be surprised if al
40 Post contains images Leskova : May I welcome you to the third millenium? Airbus is no longer a consortium, and it's been that way for quite a while now. It's Airbus, not AirBus. Wh
41 Post contains images CF188A : well said ..... its absolutely true
42 Threepoint : Thanks for the sarcasm Frank...commiting the carnal sin of misprinting the exact corporate-structure descriptor of a multinational firm should be rid
43 AC7E7 : Big deal.... and what does being a member give us? Absolutely nothing! Can anybody here sponsor me? I want US citizenship. LOL! Actually, I live in M
44 CF188A : I believe that was in reference to being a Canadian. I think my country has given me tons of opportunity which is why i take such good advantage of i
45 PlaneHunter : I doubt they end up in the desert, there are numerous expanding airlines which could find the planes useful. Just because the B777LR is ahead it does
46 AC7E7 : You still haven't answered my question. What does being a member of the commonwealth do for Canada? Australia almost got rid of the Queen as head of
47 Post contains images CF188A : the message here was sent directly to Captain Know-it-all. Boeing1 is absolutely right given the fact this topic is hijacked and I am not going to con
48 Boeingguy1 : Do us all a favor- no one gives a maple leaf about your theories- after all, Im from Ireland, in the EU, closely associated with Airbus, and prefer B
49 Post contains images AC7E7 : That's a first. Not to burst your bubble, but we are much closer to the US then we are to Britain, despite our history. Isn't that what I said? Is th
50 Post contains links and images CF188A : Quoting AC7E7 (Reply 49): Quoting CF188A (Reply 47): All your doing is proving how self indulgent, ignorant, ungrateful, and how dimwitted you really
51 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : It would look the same as their A340-500. Mark
52 AC7E7 : I never changed my mind. Bombardier has developed innovative products. Unfortunately, they have developed them at a very high price for taxpayers. In
53 CF188A : i heard most of the painting is done in the winter when flying season is not as demanding. The 320 family is used brutally every single day for 4 str
54 Fyano773 : Some topics have mentioned Mexicana (MX) is planning to upgrade its sole 767 to a couple of A330 to go daily to EZE and to reinforce ORD and LAX, all
55 Aeroplan73 : I like the blue tinge the colour scheme gives in certain light. Straight on, I do agree it is somewhat borning, but you are right, the whole 'changes
56 YYZA330 : I seem to remember reading somewhere that AC will now only paint the tails of their aircrafts with the new c/s and stop with the full paint. Back to
57 Pictues : Nope that is interm to get the tails the same, and will paint the full pain scheme during normal paint cycles
58 FLYACYYZ : Note the case at all. The decals on the tail were applied simply as an interim measure to step up the new logo/rebranding process until the full pain
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