Lredlefsen From United States, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8758 times:
I recently flew SFO-MIA on AA, and when I went to the back of the plane, was told by an FA that I had to stay in my cabin "due to new regulations." I understand and appreciate that Y pax can't get into the F cabin, but is the opposite truly an AA policy?
At the time, I just acquiesced, but should I call the FA on his bluff next time, if he's really bluffing? Is there an official, documented AA policy that states that 1st class pax can NOT go to the back of the plane?
UA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1410 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8702 times:
Agreed Jetdeltamsy
Besides, what could you possibly terrorize in the back of the plane? It's custoerms congregating in the forward galley/cockpit entrance area that FA's try and limit
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8567 times:
It's no regulation . . . . it's a pissy FA . . . . I often like to take a walk on a long flight. Nothing strange, down the aisle(s) and back. Never had any FA tell me I couldn't because of some "regulation". Hell if I tries to do it in most F cabins on UA or AS or US 737, I could take one step and have to sit down . . .
Tootallsd From United States, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8375 times:
I don't think it was a pissy FA. The cabin announcement to stay in your own cabin, don't wander, don't stand up, don't smile, don't loiter near the galley, etc. etc. etc. is standard these days on all AA flights. I hate it but what are you going to do.
The refer to regulations, like it is an FAA thing but the lack of similar enforcemnet on other US airlines tells me that it is not.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 3806 posts, RR: 22 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8370 times:
Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5): I don't know. I'm not sure you have a reason to go back into Y. Y can't go into your cabin, so why should you be allowed back there?
Airlines in the US typically prefer it if you stay in your seats.
In the real world, you can leave First and go for a stroll... it's especially handy on those 12 hour sectors and you need to go for a walk. Doing a lap of the aircraft is great for this!
I choose to fly oneworld, as a member of Qantas Frequent Flyer.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1354 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
I heard that sort of announcement on CO over 18 months ago, i.e. all passengers to stay in their cabin of travel.
Call the FA's bluff if you want - and see what happens if they regard it as you wantingly disobeying a request by them. Been other threads about what's happened when someone has done that.
Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8061 times:
Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5): I don't know. I'm not sure you have a reason to go back into Y. Y can't go into your cabin, so why should you be allowed back there?
Besides, you may get mugged by those of us who can't afford 3 extra inches of pitch...
I posted a few replies in the "curtains are back" thread...so I'll add my two cents here as well.
I agree with this post....you premimum people should just stick to your own kind. There is absolutely NOTHING in the back of the plane that could be of interest to you people. Economy is not a zoo for you "hoity-toity" finely dressed first class / biz passengers to gape and stare at the flip-flop, t-shirt wearing masses in economy. If you accidently make your way to the back of the plane remember if you ignore them, they won't hurt you.
RELAX457 From Germany, joined May 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
Economy is not a zoo for you "hoity-toity" finely dressed first class / biz passengers to gape and stare at the flip-flop, t-shirt wearing masses in economy.
...well, you would be surprised to see how many first class/business class passengers wearing t-shirts and flip-flops. okay, maybe not flip-flops but definetly casual.... ;o)
Letsgetwet From United States, joined Jul 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7908 times:
I personally don't see anything wrong with taking a stroll to stretch your legs. But I have seen, and don't think it's right, for "F" paxs to try to use the "Y" lavs. You have your own lavs up front which us peons aren't allowed to use.
Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7879 times:
Quoting RELAX457 (Reply 12): ...well, you would be surprised to see how many first class/business class passengers wearing t-shirts and flip-flops. okay, maybe not flip-flops but definetly casual.... ;o)
Those passengers are the ones who have been upgraded....
Smokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7801 times:
It's a TSA regulation or homelands or whoever makes up the rules, your suppose to sit in your cabin for the entire flight while on flights in or to the US. it's not AA or CO or any airlines regulation. it's suppose to be so you cannot congregate with other people where ever they are sitting on a flight and plan to take it down, it's a stupid regulation especially since you can move between cabins when flying from the US to wherever... for example when I flew to ATL from DUB on DL back in march on the flight over the captain mentioned no moving between cabins on the flight due to FAA regulation (I can't remember if it was FAA but he said some American government body) but on the flight back when the captain was welcoming us on bored etc etc he said we where free to move about the aircraft at our own will.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7684 times:
I think it's perfectly appropriate that First pax should be told to remain within the First Class cabin....if Y class are not allowed to enter the First cabin, why should the other way round be allowed....???
Remember, the Y class cabins and aisles are already congested....the pax can do without having First pax strolling up and down the aisles to stretch their legs....they can do that just as well by strolling up and down the First cabins, can't they.....?
Positiverate From United States, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7638 times:
While flying between FCO and CVG earlier this week, the F/O's welcome aboard announcement included 2 security requirements: first was to not congregate by the lavs or in the aisle, and second was to stay in your class of service. He added a funny line when he said "for those of you who think the BizElite bathrooms may be better then the ones in Economy, I can tell you as someone who has used every one on this airplane at one time or another they are all the same spacious size everywhere." He got a good laugh, and it was a good way to get his point across.
TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7539 times:
Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5): I don't know. I'm not sure you have a reason to go back into Y. Y can't go into your cabin, so why should you be allowed back there?
Besides, you may get mugged by those of us who can't afford 3 extra inches of pitch...
LOL... Well put.
Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 4): It's typical AA buls**t treatment of customers... what else is new?
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 3806 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 13): I personally don't see anything wrong with taking a stroll to stretch your legs. But I have seen, and don't think it's right, for "F" paxs to try to use the "Y" lavs. You have your own lavs up front which us peons aren't allowed to use.
I wouldn't use a Y lav when flying First or Business unless I was bursting to go and the toilet was occupied. The premium classes loos I've seen will often have hand moisturisers, face sprays and what not in them... on one airline, there was a vase of flowers on the wall. Much more pleasant than a seat that's been peed all over by filthy Y pax
I choose to fly oneworld, as a member of Qantas Frequent Flyer.
Ckfred From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7469 times:
As someone who has flown in first and coach on AA's MD-80s, the lavs are exactly the same.
Keeping F passengers in the F cabin and Y passengers in the Y cabin is an FAA/TSA directive, designed to keep passengers from congregrating.
If you notice, if an F/A goes to take meals or coffee into the cockpit, a serving cart is rolled out to block access. The same happens if a pilot uses the F lav.
RB211LTN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7440 times:
Why would you want to leave F and go into Y? People who walk up and down the cabin to 'stretch their legs' are just a nuisance. Most of them are just hoping that someone in Y will see them exit F and be impressed with how wealthy they are. I never leave the premium cabin when I am fortunate enough to travel up there, it takes hours to get the smell of poverty out of your clothes if you wander down the back!
The customer is always right.....unless he is a passenger!
StuckInCA From United States, joined Oct 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7342 times:
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 13): I have seen, and don't think it's right, for "F" paxs to try to use the "Y" lavs. You have your own lavs up front which us peons aren't allowed to use
I agree with this statement. I travel in economy and business (depends on how business is that month) and try to stay in my section (with respect to lavs). I see no problem with taking a walk on a long haul, but it sort of bothers me when I'm in Y and I'm lined up behind a business or first class passenger at a Y lav.
Skyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7299 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2): As a First Class customer, you pretty much have the run of the house.
Wow, that doesn't insult us "poor" passengers in coach. Just because we can't afford a bigger seat doesn't mean we should be kicked to the corner and tied down.
Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 21): People who walk up and down the cabin to 'stretch their legs' are just a nuisance.
Why would it be a nuisance, it's in best interest of a person's health to walk around on long flights. Sitting with minimal leg movement has been proven to be bad for extended periods of time.
Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 21): it takes hours to get the smell of poverty out of your clothes if you wander down the back!
This better be a joke....or that is the immature statement made in this thread.
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 20): If you notice, if an F/A goes to take meals or coffee into the cockpit, a serving cart is rolled out to block access. The same happens if a pilot uses the F lav.
Also there should be an F/A that enters the cockpit to keep the number up front a constant.
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7129 times:
Quoting RELAX457 (Reply 12): ...well, you would be surprised to see how many first class/business class passengers wearing t-shirts and flip-flops. okay, maybe not flip-flops but definetly casual.... ;o)
Last time I checked, all I needed to get into Business/First class was a wad of cash. Who the hell cares what I'm dressed like?
I fly back and forth to Europe on a regular basis in BizE and guess what, I fly in jeans. Who are you to dictate what I should or should not wear? Hell, when I see a fat assed flight attendant squeezed into a jumper two sizes too small should I get to opine on her outfit?
I'm the damn customer. I paid for my seat. Airline staff should stop worrying about what I'm wearing, STFU and provide me the service I'm paying for.
Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 5 Reply 25, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6978 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 24): Who the hell cares what I'm dressed like?
Quoting Pope (Reply 24): Who are you to dictate what I should or should not wear?
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 23): Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 21):
it takes hours to get the smell of poverty out of your clothes if you wander down the back!
This better be a joke....or that is the immature statement made in this thread.
Hey people I'm pretty sure some of these posts are not meant to be taken sooooooo seriously.
Gays in the military....what's the problem?
26 RoseFlyer: On long haul flights it seems like first class passengers are dressed more casually than economy. Some airlines even hand out pajamas or sleepshirts.
27 Incitatus: Yes, and if you go to the restrooms, please don't pee on the floor and please wash your hands before you leave.
28 Jaysit: Pissy FA super pissed off at First Class passengers because God forbid, they actually ask for a drink. AA flight attendants are the worst. CO's are th
29 Jonno: Once again, an FA who needs to return to Customer Service training. If she/he had been respectful in the request and not used some whack excuse about
30 HPAEAA: Possibly slipery slope... if the say ask the Y pax at the begining of the flight to stay in their ticket cabin, how can they let F class go into Y, b
31 Charlipr: I do not now if these has ever happen to anyone, but what happens if you have a family member, lets say a son(s)/daughter(s) in Y cabin and you or the
32 TuRbUleNc3: Thats a pretty out of order remark, even though i cant afford to travel in a higher class, or first class, same with other people, we dont SMELL of p
34 CosmicCruiser: Don't get me started, BUT last summer my family and I were on NWA coming from Europe to the U.S. After meals were served and all was quite I wanted t
35 Antiuser: Probably the same regulations that say they can't give out aircraft registrations after a flight... I tried emailing AA a few times trying to find ou
36 DeltAirlines: I've used a Y lav before while seated in F on a DL 767-400. Both F lavs were occupied, with a couple of people waiting to use it. The Y lav at 2L was
37 JBirdAV8r: Well, you know, the poster was told to stay in the F cabin. Whatever reason, ethical or not, that's a crewmember instruction and non-compliance is ill
38 DeltaGator: I flew CO a few times last year in the BizFirst cabin and remember the annoucement being along the lines of stay in your cabin of travel and use the
39 JetBlueNYFL: Have you ever heard of Deep Vein Thrombosis? That's one reason why people stretch their legs - especially on long flights. What about those who had s
40 QQflyboy: AA's policy is discretionary, not firm. But flight attendants take it literally and stand firm. Passengers are to be permitted access to other cabins
41 Dutchjet: The "stay in your cabin" thing is part of the security regs......along with the "dont congregate by the lavs and in the aisles" thing. Some airlines m
42 LGBFltTrainer: FOLKS....This is NOT AA's policy...it's TSA B.S... Enough, already about flaming AA on this, because EVERY Airline in US is regulated by this (mind yo
43 Nonrevman: I am gong to do some math on an Air Canada 767-300ER configured to 30 seats in First Class and 192 in coach. According to the airline's website, there
44 Keta: I agree with you. Why should be First class pax allowed to go wherever they want, when Y class passengers are not? More money may give more comfort,
45 Type-rated: It seems that AA crews are still being "nervous nellies" about the 9/11 events, and with good reason. [Insert entire thread about 9.11 effects on F/A'
46 N702ML: I don't get it... I fly AA almost every week. Sometimes in F, sometimes in Y. On EVERY AA flight I have ever been on...the FA AND the pilot make the s
47 Gr8Circle: Valid point....but strolling up and down the F cabin will do the job....why do they need to walk all the way down into Y class? ....point dismissed!
48 CV990: Hi! On the 13th. September 2004 I flew from GVA to LIS in SWISS RJ85 HB-IXF. The plane was quite loaded but it had a few empty seats in Coach. In the
49 DeltAirlines: Reason is simple - the F cabin is supposed to be a little more private in nature. It's a premium product, while coach is a general product. Airlines
50 JetBlueNYFL: F cabins are much shorter than Y cabins. The other day, I flew MIA-JFK on an AA 767 in F and I thought to myself how short it really is with literall
51 Dutchjet: I am sure that if the F pax advised the F/A that he or she has a family member of friend sitting in J or Y.........the F/A would not have a problem w
52 AlexPorter: On all of my CRJ flights, the jumpseat was lowered instead, as it blocks the flight deck door. The F/A still went in the cockpit. Most of my flights
53 PNQIAD: You must not have flown AZ yet? I believe I have heard the same on UA and others as well.... and so if the policy is such - F and Y should relly be i
54 PHKLM: I just wonder how this will be in the A380, there's a whole lot of space to move around in there. I really appreciate going for a small work during lo
55 EWRCabincrew: At CO, the rule of thumb about using the lavs in your cabin of seating really only applies to flights coming from international destinations to the U.
56 Abrelosojos: = The announcements only refer to using the lavs in the ticketed cabin and not about movements. = See above. = I would vote UA and now DL - increasin
57 FRAspotter: I agree. I remember hearing on the radio back in 2000 about a woman who died on a QF economy class flight from SYD to LAX from a blood clot that form
58 Nyskymasters: Actually, it is NOT a "rule-of-thumb." It is a TSA regulation that is to be enforced on international flights enroute to the US. This does not mean t
59 GTTIB: If I recall correctly, the BA longhaul after take-off video ENCOURAGES passengers to move around the cabin and not be sat still for extended periods o
60 EWRCabincrew: It's what I meant. I should have said it as such.
61 Highpeaklad: I heard the "use your own lavs" announcement last November flying UA SFO-ORD, but when flying BA MAN-JFK and return, not a sausage. Are non-US airline
62 UA772IAD: Yes, it is TSA, but also I think its a really pissed of FA. Like I said, I've never had a problem on UA walking back and forth (but If I'm in Y I won'
63 Keta: Your upgrade may be not having people walking around you, but I don't see why Y passengers don't deserve that right too.
64 Maperrin: Arrogant AA flight attendants are the most arrogant ones. Don't matter whether you travel Y, C, or F, THEY have NO CLASS. I could write a book about i
65 Mats: I actually wrote to Continental praising one of their captains on a flight from EZE to IAH. He made the announcement in the most appropriate, convinci
66 EWRCabincrew: I beg to differ. It by no means implies that terrorists are already onboard. It means just what it is meant to be...no gathering and standing around.
67 AirframeAS: I'm surprised no one has asked this yet: Is this so-called TSA Directive written in stone? Is it also written in the F.A.R's? If so, can anyone provid
68 UA772IAD: Are any of the TSA's "rules" written in stone? If so, are they ever enforced as written? How about the rule on the TSA website that says you do not h
69 Wjcandee: "Please stay in your class of carriage" is a nice way of saying, "In coach, please stay in your class of carriage." Unless someone could show me the r
70 Aeroplane42: I think, for safty reasons, passengers, regardless of class should be allowed to wander in any cabin up and down the plane as sitting in one place fo
71 FLFlyGuy: Can we finally put this to rest? Please? It is a TSA directive that on flights inbound into the United States from a foreign country, Puerto Rico, and
72 Gilligan: I dunno, coming back from HNL a few years ago I just had to go take a gander at the next to naked #10 girl who was sitting in coach. She had fallen a
73 Smokeyrosco: I'm not sure if it's TSA BUT as i said above (reply 15) which so many people choose to ignore, it's law and not a policy. I know i was/am vague about
74 KBGRbillT: Should be acceptable for DVT. As for surgery, If you have this kind of problem I'm sure that your Doctor would prohibit you from flying until you don
75 Isitsafenow: in the back?? Nothing? How about a wife and kids? It happens daily....dad the Gold gets the front row while the rest of the family gets the back...so
76 Adriaticus: Thanks. As I said before, it is nothing more, and most certainly nothing less, than AA's bull__it, alone. Thanks for confirming. I am glad I can almo
77 Wjcandee: BTW...if in fact the rule is that you have to USE THE LAV in your own cabin, then it isn't illegal to walk back to coach while stretching your legs. C
78 Wjcandee: Well...maybe. I think that's a bit of a broad interpretation of the actual rule regarding compliance with "crewmember instructions". I would be perfe
79 SATX: Look, F passengers coming back to the Y cabin is as silly as a car with a handicapped sign parking in a regular parking space. There's just no need fo
80 Lredlefsen: Wow! Thanks, everyone, for your replies! You've certainly made my otherwise boring day. I was treated to passionate, insightful, and *very* humorous r
81 Jetdeltamsy: Why such the attitude? You are incorrect in your thinking. If you fly often, you understand that it is sometimes desirable to take a little stroll...
82 ANCFlyer: Probably by some flip flop wearing, wife beater wearing, shave needin', haircut needin' Y pax . . . .
83 TinkerBelle: I actually flew AA today (not by choice) and the captain on BOTH planes came on the PA and said 'per federal regulations, please remain in your ticket
84 RELAX457: oh guys, just RELAX! it seems to me, that some of you are a little too serious on that! it´s just like Lredlefsen said: *When I pay for "F" service,
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There is absolutely NOTHING in the back of the plane that could be of interest to you people. Economy is not a zoo for you "hoity-toity" finely dressed first class / biz passengers to gape and stare at the flip-flop, t-shirt wearing masses in economy. If you accidently make your way to the back of the plane remember if you ignore them, they won't hurt you. 
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