SkyHigh777 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
Just saw on NBC4 news here in DC that there has reportedly been a Learjet plane crash off the coast of Connecticut. It appears there were 5-7 people on board and one of them has been reported dead. Not much details, NBC said it is still learning more as it unfolds.
Longhornmaniac From United States, joined Jun 2005, 2017 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9254 times:
AirWillie6475 From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2447 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8910 times:
Why does Pat Robertson have a jet? I though men of god lived simple humble lives. Would have been ver ironic if he was in the jet. Could have been a punishment. God sure works in stange ways, I'll kill his friend but I won't ill Pat because he brings me money.
AndrewUber From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2399 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8907 times:
According to MSNBC, he was not aboard, so he's still alive to run his mouth. I'm sure he'll have negative things to say about the two who died, however.
Anyway, RIP to the two fatalities. Very sad regardless of who they were.
LGA777 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8841 times:
The two who died where the pilots. and the three surviving passengers where coming to Conn to play in a Golf Tournememt at nearby Foxwoods Casino Resort, or at least this what NYC area radio news stations are reporting. RIP to the crew, as far as Pat Roberts Religious organazation and playing golf at a casino resort, no comment !
CptSpeaking From United States, joined Apr 2006, 598 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8699 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 4): Why does Pat Robertson have a jet? I though men of god lived simple humble lives.
Not always...I go to Liberty University, which was co-founded by Jerry Falwell, who still remains our chancellor today. Although controversial sometimes, all of us students love him to death.
Jerry owns a Citation III (N71LU) that he uses for official university business, such as going to the headquarters of accrediation comittees, etc. He also is generous enough to lend its use when occasional tradgedies may strike. Last year, our lacrosse team had a major accident involving both 15-passenger vans the team was using in Louisiana. Jerry sent two of the campus pastors down there in 71LU to be with those students in the hospital as well as the rest of the team. Then, he had the jet make several runs to bring the entire team back to Virginia.
Pastors who are in the public spotlight such as Falwell and Robertson aren't immune from business as well, and when the most efficient way of conducting your business is a jet, why not?! Pastor Falwell often references aviation in his sermons and is a huge advocate of general aviation.
BTW, Liberty now has a bachelor's degree in aviation, with which students graduate with at least a Commercial pilots license, instrument rating, and the option of CFI ratings. Liberty is a part 141 certified flight school with several student instructors.
My prayers go to the family of those killed in this accident as well as those that are injured.
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 12999 posts, RR: 65 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8532 times:
Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 7): Jerry owns a Citation III (N71LU) that he uses for official university business, such as going to the headquarters of accrediation comittees, etc.
To beg them not to revoke the school's accredidation?
Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 7): BTW, Liberty now has a bachelor's degree in aviation, with which students graduate with at least a Commercial pilots license, instrument rating, and the option of CFI ratings. Liberty is a part 141 certified flight school with several student instructors.
So does Bob Jones University, interestingly enough. "Missionary Pilot" is the major.
CitationJet From United States, joined Mar 2003, 1566 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8479 times:
Kenneth Copeland recently purchased a $20,000,000 Cessna Citation X. Now he is asking his followers to join him in "Spreading the word around the world at Mach .92".
He is asking for $2,000 donations to support his EliteCX team.
3201 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 833 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8440 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 8): "Missionary Pilot" is the major.
The mile high club is one thing, but you can't do *that* in a standard airline lav. Need crew rest area or something.
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 9): He is asking for $2,000 donations to support his EliteCX team.
Wow, that's awesome. What kind of people who actually work for a living donate money for someone else's Citation X? I think I've just lost any respect I might have had left for the human species.
CptSpeaking From United States, joined Apr 2006, 598 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8374 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
To beg them not to revoke the school's accredidation?
One of the last runs was to PHX...something about the National Bar Association and Liberty's law school...
Quoting Mir (Reply 8): So does Bob Jones University, interestingly enough. "Missionary Pilot" is the major.
I didn't know that, but I'm not too surprised. We have three concentrations within the major: Commercial, Military, and Missions. As of now, 95% are in the Commercial track...the only difference with the missions track is taking additional missions classes and the minor detail of getting your A&P license
You guys can make jokes (which are funny, I'll admit that...being a Christian doesn't necessitate being a stick in the mud ) about missions pilots and such, but in all seriousness they are the absolute best pilots out there. I'd love to see anybody here try to fly into and out of some of the airstrips (or excuses for one) they visit routinely...
JohnJ From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1284 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8296 times:
I'm soliciting some advice here. This crash isn't far from me, and from the pictures they showed on the news tonight it looks like photographs of it would be entirely possible. I'm totally sketched out, however, in that there were fatalities, and I have a problem taking photos for A.net in which there were fatalities involved. What do you all think? Is it morbid to try to get a shot of the crash site? The news reported that they'd try to raise the wreckage sometime tomorrow.
ChiGB1973 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 1543 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8267 times:
Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 12): but in all seriousness they are the absolute best pilots out there. I'd love to see anybody here try to fly into and out of some of the airstrips (or excuses for one) they visit routinely...
I guarantee that won't be a Citation X mission. That has charter written all over it. Fly the X to a near by controlled airfields and a charter company takes them to the "excuses for airstrips."
It's awful about the crash. Like many others, I hope it is one that is learned from and prevent future crashes of similar nature.
3201 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 833 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8234 times:
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 16): I'm soliciting some advice here. This crash isn't far from me, and from the pictures they showed on the news tonight it looks like photographs of it would be entirely possible. I'm totally sketched out, however, in that there were fatalities, and I have a problem taking photos for A.net in which there were fatalities involved. What do you all think? Is it morbid to try to get a shot of the crash site? The news reported that they'd try to raise the wreckage sometime tomorrow.
Wow, an on-topic response.
It's a part of aviation history, so should be in the database, and it might as well be you who puts it there?
And my apologies to all for disrespecting the two victims with my previous off-topic responses.
CptSpeaking From United States, joined Apr 2006, 598 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8186 times:
Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 17): I guarantee that won't be a Citation X mission
Me too! I was referring to pilots that fly for outfits such as JAARS and MAF...
JAARS flys Helio Couriers and C210s around with some King Airs and 421s in larger airports, no C750s for them...they have some helicopter operations as well, but not many. check out www.jaars.org
As for my previously mentioned "excuses for an airstrip", try this one found on JAARS's web site...660 feet on the side of a mountain with a direct crosswind and no room for a go-around:
And for the record, I don't agree with most of the crap Pat Robertson says, but thats definitely no reason for wanting him on that airplane as it crashed...
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
My condolences to the families of those involved. It's good that some survived, at least. I too am not a fan of Pat Robertson, but I wouldn't want this to happen to anybody - having an a/c you own crash, with loss of life.
I have MASSIVE respect for people like JAARS and MAF - delivering medicine and aid to people as well as spreading their beliefs. And doing it practically and quietly, rather than dashing around the place in private jets that are usually the preserve of the rich and famous, and then asking other to help fund it.
I'm soliciting some advice here. This crash isn't far from me, and from the pictures they showed on the news tonight it looks like photographs of it would be entirely possible. I'm totally sketched out, however, in that there were fatalities, and I have a problem taking photos for A.net in which there were fatalities involved. What do you all think? Is it morbid to try to get a shot of the crash site? The news reported that they'd try to raise the wreckage sometime tomorrow.
I'm about the same distance as you, too. The visibility is still poor though, but it would make a great photo as part of the Lear 35 is being pulled up out of the water!
Try it out!
[Edited 2006-06-03 15:36:42]
We need men who can dream of things that never were. -John F. Kennedy
Mikester540 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 25, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7294 times:
lol, sorry about that-- it was a Lear 35.
We need men who can dream of things that never were. -John F. Kennedy
26 LTBEWR: Some news reports have said that Robertson rarely uses the aircraft himself and that much of it's time it is rented out for charter use, like with thi
27 Deltabobo: From a person who just graduated from Bob Jones University, I am NOT a Bible thumper, nor will I bring religion into these forums. Missionary Aviatio
28 BaylorAirBear: Just did! News reports foggy conditions in the area. I like how the link above includes six photos of the crash site. They're all practically the sam
29 777DadandJr: Though I despise Pat Robertson, I would not jump for joy if he died in a plane crash. RIP to the souls lost on that plane. That was it's intended miss
30 Pbottenb: Mission Aviation Fellowship (MAF) is an excellent organization of committed people. A bit off topic, but they are moving this month from my hometown
31 Prov1: Just because they have a private jet does not mean they are abusing fund money. They are taking advantage of private travel to better allocate their t
32 Petmbro: I was just down at GON for ground school, weather is still 100 overcast and 1/2 or 1/4 mile visibility. Plane is probably still in the water. The loca
33 ETFokker50: They do do some crazy things, and trust me, a lot of good stuff is being done by those organizations mentioned MAF and JAARS. They don't just help spr
34 Luv2fly: What do they call the degree if you want to go after a Masters? Sorry they could fly commercial and allocate the funds for better use.
35 Saturn5: It shows your ignorance about the "men of God". There are a few orders say in Catholic Church that vow life in relative poverty (say Franciscans or J
36 3201: I suppose this is only my opinion, but taking resources that can be used to give people food and shelter and using them to inefficiently spread "good
37 Saturn5: Who is to decide what is "efficient" or not? It is their organization, their money and they can spend it whatever way they want, you are not going to
39 ETFokker50: There's plenty of corporate entities and business that do shady things! Why question charities and organizations who atleast are trying to do somethin
40 JohnJ: I got down there at about 2 this afternoon. When I arrived the fuselage was on a barge upside-down, and they pulled the wing structure out of the wate
41 3201: You have no idea who I am or what I do, and that's an awfully rude thing for you to say. I help real people almost every day, in tangible ways. I am
42 Nwafflyer: Oh please, let's not get into the religious 'crap' here -- go back to the movie 'Elmer Gantry' -- that is what we're looking at, except these people a
43 H53Epilot: This is a $2 million dollar jet. It was placed into a "lease back" situation with a charter company in which any actual flying done by Robertson was
44 3201: Read the thread history before you call me ignorant -- this discussion wasn't on the used Lear, it was on a $20M new Citation X from elite CX team. T
45 We're Nuts: I thought Bob Jones University was more for budding white supremacists.
46 Saturn5: It is statements like this that make you look like a buffoon I am afraid. I have no idea whether to laugh or cry.
47 Jcavinato: I am in the university business. I know of no university president who has to travel to the accreditation bodies headquarters, and in a school jet for
48 CptSpeaking: It happened, that's all I know. (it was the NBA, and not the basketball one...accreditation may have been the wrong term...) And Falwell is the chanc
49 CitationJet: I did a little more checking on Kenneth Copeland. Per Landings.com, the Citation X SN 240 N1962J is registered to Eagle Mountain International Church
50 AirWillie6475: You know in the old days people used to give the church horse manure and their gold teeth in substitute of money to help the church survive. Now that
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Would have been ver ironic if he was in the jet. Could have been a punishment. God sure works in stange ways, I'll kill his friend but I won't ill Pat because he brings me money.
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) about missions pilots and such, but in all seriousness they are the absolute best pilots out there. I'd love to see anybody here try to fly into and out of some of the airstrips (or excuses for one) they visit routinely...
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