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Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?  
User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

I was reading a few details about what they are planning but there was only a few.

I was wondering whether anyone knew what was planned for when the B767-300's are refurbished.

Is the whole of the forward cabin going to be used as premier now?

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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

From what I can gather, the long-term plans are

- 5 New B787's on order to operate long-haul routes from LGW, MAN, BHX, CWL, and DSF
- Scrapping all B757-200's
- B762s B763s and B737s to operate all short haul routes

Not TOO sure about next year though!



Thomson Airways - The UKs premier charter airline // now flown : BY -AA -AJ -AE -AT; OO -AX -AU -RA -BG; BRIG; OBYD
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

How many 757s do they have at present? Will they have enough aircraft to cover the removal of all of them?

User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
How many 757s do they have at present? Will they have enough aircraft to cover the removal of all of them?

That's what I thought! But apparently it would seem so... these plans obviously won't come totally into effect all at once, so are more likely to happen over a period of years once they get more B737s under their wings, and get the B787's delivered too!

I'm still waiting for an official confirmation from Thomsonfly before I 100% believe this, but I also have no reason to doubt my source.

Guess only time will tell...



Thomson Airways - The UKs premier charter airline // now flown : BY -AA -AJ -AE -AT; OO -AX -AU -RA -BG; BRIG; OBYD
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
Scrapping all B757-200's

This cant be true. I hope it isn't BY 752'S are good airplanes with a lot more flying hours in them. I fly them to Turin every february and the pax load is perfect. 738'S AREN'T BIG ENOUGH! Most of them are fairly new as well.
Good news about 787's though.  Sad


User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Thanks for that information anyway even if the B757 are going this is bad news as they are very good aicraft for the sort of flights TOM operate.

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 1):
From what I can gather, the long-term plans are

- 5 New B787's on order to operate long-haul routes from LGW, MAN, BHX, CWL, and DSF
- Scrapping all B757-200's
- B762s B763s and B737s to operate all short haul routes

So you're saying that 5 B787's are going to replace 18 B757-200's, baring in mind that the B757 is the ideal aircraft where a B767 is too big and a B737 is too small? They'd have to get about another 20 B737-300's to match capacity if 18 B752's were to get the chop and 5 B787's were brought in, and i don't think Thomsonfly have any plans of cutting down ops any time soon.

Anyhow, some of those B757's are reasonably new, with the last ones delivered in just 1999.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
I'm still waiting for an official confirmation from Thomsonfly before I 100% believe this, but I also have no reason to doubt my source.

Unless you tell us your source, we have every reason to doubt it.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

It has been speculated TOM will order B787's and B737-900ER as art of a bulk order as part of the TUI group.


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

My source is a cabin crew member who works long-haul flights for the company, who's based at BHX.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
So you're saying that 5 B787's are going to replace 18 B757-200's

No, I'm saying that their B767 fleet are going to cover the short-haul flights, the B787's are going to cover their long-haul flights!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
and i don't think Thomsonfly have any plans of cutting down ops any time soon.

see below:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
these plans obviously won't come totally into effect all at once, so are more likely to happen over a period of years once they get more B737s under their wings



Thomson Airways - The UKs premier charter airline // now flown : BY -AA -AJ -AE -AT; OO -AX -AU -RA -BG; BRIG; OBYD
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 9):
No, I'm saying that their B767 fleet are going to cover the short-haul flights, the B787's are going to cover their long-haul flights!

Regardless of what is used where, you're saying that 18 aircraft are coming out and 5 are going back in. What happens with the 767's is irrelevant (seeing as most their B767's operate only short haul anyway). Where the 5 B787's would probably cover about 8 B757's in terms of seat numbers, you'd need a further 15+ B737-300's to equal capacity, and like i said, TOM have greatly increased their capacity over the past few years, integrating the low-cost airline into the charter airline, i don't think they're going to want to scale down, and i certainly can't see them getting a further 15 B737-300s.


User currently offlineBALboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

hey everybody...

TOM's future fleet is no secret as we were all told on our yearly conferences of what the CURRENT plans are for the fleet.

10 787/350..probably 787
18 757
25 737(800/900)

Only the 737(300/500) and the 767(200/300) are to go in the near future.

As for the original question, here's what I know to be happening from Feb 2007...

New seating in Premium, dark navy leather with platinum stitching and a grey frame, 9" seat back tv featuring AVOD and touch screen controls.

New seating in economy, dark navy leather, 7" seat back tv, not AVOD but option to upgrade to AVOD, touch screen controls.

All entertainment to be free with free headsets.

The plan was to remove a few rows of seats to increase pitch. Unless the oil price reduces, this may not happen.

Inflight service to be completely revamped, details soon.

Premium cabin MAY extend to doors 2, can't see it happening myself.

Regards


User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting BALboy (Reply 11):
As for the original question, here's what I know to be happening from Feb 2007...

New seating in Premium, dark navy leather with platinum stitching and a grey frame, 9" seat back tv featuring AVOD and touch screen controls.

New seating in economy, dark navy leather, 7" seat back tv, not AVOD but option to upgrade to AVOD, touch screen controls.

All entertainment to be free with free headsets.

The plan was to remove a few rows of seats to increase pitch. Unless the oil price reduces, this may not happen.

Inflight service to be completely revamped, details soon.

Premium cabin MAY extend to doors 2, can't see it happening myself.

Regards

Thank you very much just the information i was after.


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

I think they may be after the cruise business in the winter, there have been some grumbles from P and O and Fred Olsen regarding the comfort and service on the charters operated by Brit(sorry )Thomsonfly. Also they have to compete with first choice that have 33"in Y and 38" in Premium with reduced seat capacity and it is proving a winner with the passengers.

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 13):
there have been some grumbles from P and O and Fred Olsen regarding the comfort and service on the charters operated by Brit(sorry )Thomsonfly. Also they have to

Ive flown Thomson several times and find the leg room and seats very comfotable a lot better than FR


User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Scrapping BY 757's? I doubt it, some of them are not that old 6 years old? some? not to sure...

The 757 plays a massive role in TOM's current operation. Just have to wait to see what happens in the future but I hope its not true.


User currently offlineCalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

I cant see TOM getting rid of the 757 anytime soon. The 757 is ideally suited to charter traffic, the very reason why BY chose it in the first place. Its as happy doing a short hop tp PMI as it is doing a trip to SFB via BGR. And the flightdeck commonality with the 757/767 means as long as they have the 767 on long/short haul routes, they are unlikely to axe the 757.


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 15):
Scrapping BY 757's? I doubt it, some of them are not that old 6 years old? some? not to sure...

The last B757's to be delivered to BY came in 1999, with the first being delivered in 1992. Compare that with Monarch, who's B757's were some of the first off the production line, and they seem to be going strong, and i believe Monarch have no intention of dumping them in the near future. It will be a good 10-15 years before TOM even consider replacing them.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Will TOM ever add Airbus into the fleet

User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 18):
Will TOM ever add Airbus into the fleet

No. They have only ever leased an A320 a few years back, When they was Britannia


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2773 times:

Shame will they buy 738's or lease same for 788

User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 20):
Shame will they buy 738's or lease same for 788

Its Logical, Most of the Tui partners use 738 A/C also so they are easy to obtain, There is no point buying Airbus when they have a good deal on leasing or the right amount of A/C in their fleet.


User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 19):
They have only ever leased an A320 a few years back, When they was Britannia

And, god, wasn't that a disaster!


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2765 times:

Fair point. Do TUI have any aircraft on order

User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 22):
And, god, wasn't that a disaster!

HAh! That paint scheme Did look pretty cool though, The full blue one, not the Eurowhite...

Quoting BA787 (Reply 23):
Fair point. Do TUI have any aircraft on order

Not TUI Direct, TUI is kind of like Star Alliance or Oneworld, but insist of branding all their airlines to TUI such as Thompsons, Hapag Lloyd (Well HapagFly) Corsair Etc, I dont know if they codeshare or not because they mostly operate Charter flights. someone shed some light on this please  Smile

And when it comes to Ordered A/C, there are some talks of Thompson and the 787... that's it


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2731 times:

I believe Hapagfly have some B737-800's on order, if they haven't all been delivered already.

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 24):
Not TUI Direct, TUI is kind of like Star Alliance or Oneworld, but insist of branding all their airlines to TUI such as Thompsons, Hapag Lloyd (Well HapagFly) Corsair Etc, I dont know if they codeshare or not because they mostly operate Charter flights. someone shed some light on this please

There is no TUI hub so there's no point codesharing among each other. All 6(?) TUI airlines are based in different countries and fly to holiday destinations, so theres no feeding into each other involved, so no need to codeshare.

Although on a different note, Hapagfly do codeshare with Air Berlin on many flights.


25 Post contains images BA787 : TUI is a company in Germany, the Trading name forn Pressaug. They own all of the TUI airlines and many leisure comopanies such as Thomson and Crystal
26 Clarkeg : Thomsonfly has a current fleet of 47 aircraft and there still growing.There NOT getting rid of the 757 they have just spent all that money on upgradin
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