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Delta BDL-LAX Getting 737-800?  
User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

I just had a trip with delta on BDL-LAX during the memorial day weekend on 757.
It was in general a very pleasant trip with decent snack and very friendly crew. Good Job DL!

I was just checking the price for another BDL-LAX flight with DL, and found out that the equipment will be 737-800. I guess I can tell it was gonna get downgraded sooner or later. For the past several months I have been checking at DL site on how this flight is doing, and It was not very promising with a 757. Even on friday during memorial day the plane was not full at all. In fact I was able to enjoy an empty side in the middle (I took window seat of course  ). I guess I enjoyed the last 757 on this route for my LAX-BDL leg on may 31st (both  Sad and  Smile)

Anyway, when DL upgrades its products, will I see the new DL long haul product on the 737-800? I am planning to do several more trip on this route, and I had a great experience and cheap price on Song, and I am willing to pay more than AA ticket for non stop and Song-like experience on DL. In fact I was willing to spend $100 more than what I spent last year on the ticket without any complain .

Any info and discussion on this matter is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
PP

[Edited 2006-06-03 00:56:48]


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27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Yes, 738's will be a large part of DL's long-haul expansion, at least domestically. So large, they are the next that are slated to get the Song IFE. With the closing of the 757 line in Seattle, the 738 is the only other option to fill medium-sized markets that the 757, ironically, replaced the 727 with. You will probably see the 738 be a regular attraction on the BDL-LAX flight. It certainly can't fall to an MD-88 due to range problems, but can't warrant enough traffic to fill a 757, so the 738 is the logical choice. By 2008, Delta's Song IFE conversion should be complete on all aircraft scheduled for it(everything but MD-88 and MD-90, IIRC).



OttoPylit


User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

As much as I love a 757, DL's 738's are far more comfortable in my opinion. The interiors are much nicer and seem more spacious. Not sure if its an illusion, but the seat pitch seems greater in the 738.

User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 2):

I agree with you. I have taken red-eye flights on 757/738/A320/A319 and I can say that the 757 is the most uncomfortable even with all 3 seats to yourself so that you can lay down!!!! The most comfortable was a Frontier A319!!!!!


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

This route cannot support a 757. I't just too large. A 737-800 is really too large as well, but I guess this is all they have.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

I know they are sending the 738 on the 2 daily BOS-LAX-BOS flights, both of which used to be operated by the 752

User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

The 738 is perfect for the BDL market with service out west. It's on the BDL-LAX, LAS and SLC routes now.

User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

But BDL has much smaller demand than BOS. This is about as thin a route as you will find in coast to coast markets.

User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year? Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8):
Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year?

No new deliveries of any a/c in 2006 for DL of any type. The 8 737-800 scheduled for this year will go to 2008.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8):
Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?

Higher fleet utilization through schedule adjustments, which allows a plane to spend more hours/per day in the air, and taking them off short sectors like ATL-BHM or SLC-BOI. The addition of alot of redeyes is helping the case as well, as those plane would just be sitting on the ground through the night, and with the redeyes, they are being put to better use.

Btw. does someone from those guys that work at DL know the current average fleet utilization and how it has developed/will develop?

[Edited 2006-06-03 22:22:51]

User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8):
Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year? Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?

I know they dont get any new aircraft this year. Does anyone know if there are aircraft scheduled for delivery next year.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

When AA flew BDL-LAX, prior to 9/11, it used 737-800s.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
Higher fleet utilization through schedule adjustments

And by using them on red-eyes rather than parking them overnight in Florida, for example. Park the shorter range jets overnight like the 737 classics and the MD80s and let the 738 and 757s work round the clock if possible.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Well, I booked a flight BOS-FLL on Jun 21 and it was downgraded to a 737-800. I'm not sure if its because of loads or aircraft positioning. I would think BOS-FLL still can support a 757 even in June.

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I wouldn't call 342 O & D pax on BDL-LAX a very thin route, that's why it always surprises me that airlines can't keep this nonstop route in their system with loads to warrant a nonstop. Just one of those routes that can't be figured out I guess because that's more than enough pax to fill at least one flight nonstop

User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Just checked the flight status for this flight. No movie? I thought all transcons got a movie...as well as a meal in F. No meal either....are these misprints on DL's website?


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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

I also don't understand why there is no movie or why there is not a meal in F. On the LAX-BDL leg I can obviously understand, because it is a red eye. But the BDL-LAX flight is perfectly timed for an F class meal.

User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 16):
Just checked the flight status for this flight. No movie? I thought all transcons got a movie...as well as a meal in F. No meal either....are these misprints on DL's website?

On 752 at least there was movie on the overhead monitor. We had to purchase the $2 headsets for the audio. In coach class, we had 2 snacks, at least for the BDL-LAX leg, after take off and before landing. They were generous with water and beverages. Great service  Smile

It did not say any meal and movie service on the website when I flew them, but we got the service.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 14):
Well, I booked a flight BOS-FLL on Jun 21 and it was downgraded to a 737-800. I'm not sure if its because of loads or aircraft positioning. I would think BOS-FLL still can support a 757 even in June.

It can and does. The other 2 non-stop flights that day are being done by a 752. The 3 daily non-stop MCO flights are operated with 752s, as are the 2 daily non-stop PBI flights and the single daily non-stop RSW flight.

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 17):
I also don't understand why there is no movie or why there is not a meal in F. On the LAX-BDL leg I can obviously understand, because it is a red eye. But the BDL-LAX flight is perfectly timed for an F class meal.

I believe it depends on the aircraft, which may sound obvious. For example, when AA used to send mostly 752s on the BOS-DFW flights, I always had a movie when I would fly back home. Now that all the flights are done with MD-80s, there are no movies. I have only flown on a DL 738 once, BOS-CVG and CVG-BOS and there were no movies. When we were landing, the monitors flipped down to show our position and they also came down to show the safety video before takeoff.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

That 342 figure is both ways. But it's still more than I expected. Maybe the 800 will work. For some reason I thought they had around 165 seats. But 150 seems doable.

User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Delta was in dire need of smaller aircraft in many of these Song routes. 199 seats was just too large. Now they can cut some of the fat at certain times and help replace the loss of seats that occurred when 767s were moved to International. I don't know how Delta is doing this, but I would hope the service is standard down to FLL regardless if it's a former Song 757 or a 737-800.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
. Park the shorter range jets overnight like the 737 classics and the

The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.



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User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 22):
The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.

732 is still around, MD-11 was 1/1/04 I think, the 727s were 2003, L-1011 was 7/31/01.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 23):
732 is still around, MD-11 was 1/1/04 I think, the 727s were 2003, L-1011 was 7/31/01.

You're right. The 732s are still flying, I was somewhat future tensed...

Quoting B4real (Reply 22):
The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.

As above...



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25 Ikramerica : I guess the 732 isn't really a "classic" as it's too old for that? Anyway, MD80s are still going strong...
26 Post contains images DAL767400ER : What would you call it then, "Old School Jet" ?
27 Sflaflight : I don't know. Lately, there has been alot of aircraft chages into FLL and MIA. DL 1472 for example, has been changing aircrafts even between flights.
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