PolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3 Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2721 times:
I just had a trip with delta on BDL-LAX during the memorial day weekend on 757.
It was in general a very pleasant trip with decent snack and very friendly crew. Good Job DL!
I was just checking the price for another BDL-LAX flight with DL, and found out that the equipment will be 737-800. I guess I can tell it was gonna get downgraded sooner or later. For the past several months I have been checking at DL site on how this flight is doing, and It was not very promising with a 757. Even on friday during memorial day the plane was not full at all. In fact I was able to enjoy an empty side in the middle (I took window seat of course ). I guess I enjoyed the last 757 on this route for my LAX-BDL leg on may 31st (both and )
Anyway, when DL upgrades its products, will I see the new DL long haul product on the 737-800? I am planning to do several more trip on this route, and I had a great experience and cheap price on Song, and I am willing to pay more than AA ticket for non stop and Song-like experience on DL. In fact I was willing to spend $100 more than what I spent last year on the ticket without any complain .
Any info and discussion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Yes, 738's will be a large part of DL's long-haul expansion, at least domestically. So large, they are the next that are slated to get the Song IFE. With the closing of the 757 line in Seattle, the 738 is the only other option to fill medium-sized markets that the 757, ironically, replaced the 727 with. You will probably see the 738 be a regular attraction on the BDL-LAX flight. It certainly can't fall to an MD-88 due to range problems, but can't warrant enough traffic to fill a 757, so the 738 is the logical choice. By 2008, Delta's Song IFE conversion should be complete on all aircraft scheduled for it(everything but MD-88 and MD-90, IIRC).
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
As much as I love a 757, DL's 738's are far more comfortable in my opinion. The interiors are much nicer and seem more spacious. Not sure if its an illusion, but the seat pitch seems greater in the 738.
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
I agree with you. I have taken red-eye flights on 757/738/A320/A319 and I can say that the 757 is the most uncomfortable even with all 3 seats to yourself so that you can lay down!!!! The most comfortable was a Frontier A319!!!!!
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
This route cannot support a 757. I't just too large. A 737-800 is really too large as well, but I guess this is all they have.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2361 times:
I know they are sending the 738 on the 2 daily BOS-LAX-BOS flights, both of which used to be operated by the 752
HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
The 738 is perfect for the BDL market with service out west. It's on the BDL-LAX, LAS and SLC routes now.
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
But BDL has much smaller demand than BOS. This is about as thin a route as you will find in coast to coast markets.
PolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year? Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8): Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year?
No new deliveries of any a/c in 2006 for DL of any type. The 8 737-800 scheduled for this year will go to 2008.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8): Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?
Higher fleet utilization through schedule adjustments, which allows a plane to spend more hours/per day in the air, and taking them off short sectors like ATL-BHM or SLC-BOI. The addition of alot of redeyes is helping the case as well, as those plane would just be sitting on the ground through the night, and with the redeyes, they are being put to better use.
Btw. does someone from those guys that work at DL know the current average fleet utilization and how it has developed/will develop?
Delta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8): Is delta receiving new 738 from Boeing within this year? Where do they get so many 738 for the transcon routes?
I know they dont get any new aircraft this year. Does anyone know if there are aircraft scheduled for delivery next year.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
When AA flew BDL-LAX, prior to 9/11, it used 737-800s.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1916 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10): Higher fleet utilization through schedule adjustments
And by using them on red-eyes rather than parking them overnight in Florida, for example. Park the shorter range jets overnight like the 737 classics and the MD80s and let the 738 and 757s work round the clock if possible.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1815 times:
Well, I booked a flight BOS-FLL on Jun 21 and it was downgraded to a 737-800. I'm not sure if its because of loads or aircraft positioning. I would think BOS-FLL still can support a 757 even in June.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
I wouldn't call 342 O & D pax on BDL-LAX a very thin route, that's why it always surprises me that airlines can't keep this nonstop route in their system with loads to warrant a nonstop. Just one of those routes that can't be figured out I guess because that's more than enough pax to fill at least one flight nonstop
DL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
Just checked the flight status for this flight. No movie? I thought all transcons got a movie...as well as a meal in F. No meal either....are these misprints on DL's website?
HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
I also don't understand why there is no movie or why there is not a meal in F. On the LAX-BDL leg I can obviously understand, because it is a red eye. But the BDL-LAX flight is perfectly timed for an F class meal.
PolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 16): Just checked the flight status for this flight. No movie? I thought all transcons got a movie...as well as a meal in F. No meal either....are these misprints on DL's website?
On 752 at least there was movie on the overhead monitor. We had to purchase the $2 headsets for the audio. In coach class, we had 2 snacks, at least for the BDL-LAX leg, after take off and before landing. They were generous with water and beverages. Great service
It did not say any meal and movie service on the website when I flew them, but we got the service.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 14): Well, I booked a flight BOS-FLL on Jun 21 and it was downgraded to a 737-800. I'm not sure if its because of loads or aircraft positioning. I would think BOS-FLL still can support a 757 even in June.
It can and does. The other 2 non-stop flights that day are being done by a 752. The 3 daily non-stop MCO flights are operated with 752s, as are the 2 daily non-stop PBI flights and the single daily non-stop RSW flight.
Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 17): I also don't understand why there is no movie or why there is not a meal in F. On the LAX-BDL leg I can obviously understand, because it is a red eye. But the BDL-LAX flight is perfectly timed for an F class meal.
I believe it depends on the aircraft, which may sound obvious. For example, when AA used to send mostly 752s on the BOS-DFW flights, I always had a movie when I would fly back home. Now that all the flights are done with MD-80s, there are no movies. I have only flown on a DL 738 once, BOS-CVG and CVG-BOS and there were no movies. When we were landing, the monitors flipped down to show our position and they also came down to show the safety video before takeoff.
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1675 times:
That 342 figure is both ways. But it's still more than I expected. Maybe the 800 will work. For some reason I thought they had around 165 seats. But 150 seems doable.
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1665 times:
Delta was in dire need of smaller aircraft in many of these Song routes. 199 seats was just too large. Now they can cut some of the fat at certain times and help replace the loss of seats that occurred when 767s were moved to International. I don't know how Delta is doing this, but I would hope the service is standard down to FLL regardless if it's a former Song 757 or a 737-800.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1656 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13): . Park the shorter range jets overnight like the 737 classics and the
The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.
DL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
Quoting B4real (Reply 22): The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.
732 is still around, MD-11 was 1/1/04 I think, the 727s were 2003, L-1011 was 7/31/01.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 23): 732 is still around, MD-11 was 1/1/04 I think, the 727s were 2003, L-1011 was 7/31/01.
You're right. The 732s are still flying, I was somewhat future tensed...
Quoting B4real (Reply 22): The 737 classics are gone now also. DL has retired the 733's (2006), 762's (2006), MD-11's (Jan 1 2005), 732's (2006), 727's (2002?), and L10-11's (2001) since 2001.
As above...
B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
25 Ikramerica: I guess the 732 isn't really a "classic" as it's too old for that? Anyway, MD80s are still going strong...
26 DAL767400ER: What would you call it then, "Old School Jet" ?
27 Sflaflight: I don't know. Lately, there has been alot of aircraft chages into FLL and MIA. DL 1472 for example, has been changing aircrafts even between flights.
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